positive or negative for the boss

[ruber]

Usually, the drugs that are positive for the interest of the employers are legal and the ones that are negative are illegal.

You could have a job that you don't like but you could keep it because you think you have no chance, you could have trouble to find anything you really like, etc... Anyway, if you keep a job it's because your work has been profitable for the business. In that case, if you take everyday drugs like caffeine and tobacco, and once or twice a week you get pissed, probably, you could stand in that situation for longer than if you don't take anything and you get more and more fed up. In most of the cases, although you would suffer polytoxicomania, you could stand in that situation for ages before you started to have serious trouble (probably cancer or alcoholism).

However, if you have kept a job and/or a way of life that's not for you, and you have cannabis, i.e. twice a week, the chances you have to make changes, and to make them quickly, are very high; you could have a psychotic episode, you could end up in a different country, with a different couple, with a different job, trying to set up your own business, you could kill your self... but what's sure is that the employer would end up missing you.

[ruber]

And heroin kills too fast

[Mint boi]

Originally Posted by ruber

And heroin kills too fast

Only if one takes too much, and that is the case with everything.

I can see where you're coming from, but I don't agree, I mean caffeine is a stimulant, if amphetamine or cocaine were legal they'd be just as/much more useful than caffeine for concentrating ect.

And I really don't know where tha cannabis comment is coming from!!

[ruber]

Originally Posted by mint boi

Only if one takes too much, and that is the case with everything.

I can see where you're coming from, but I don't agree, I mean caffeine is a stimulant, if amphetamine or cocaine were legal they'd be just as/much more useful than caffeine for concentrating ect.

And I really don't know where tha cannabis comment is coming from!!

The stimulants are positive for the businesses in low concentrations; cocaine and amphetamine are too hard; inmagine you go to Tesco and you find that the cassier has got like that the bloke in Trainspotting during the interview in the job center... It's too heavy.

[Mint boi]

But the same could be said for caffeine, obviously not to the same extent, but if one took like 500mg+ caffeine (less even depending on person) they would not be very productive at all!

[ruber]

Originally Posted by mint boi

But the same could be said for caffeine, obviously not to the same extent, but if one took like 500mg+ caffeine (less even depending on person) they would not be very productive at all!

That's right. Once I had two litters of tea quickly (it's the same molecule than cofee) and I could have only been productive in a factory (but not as a worker; as a machine)

[Nature Boy]

So what you're saying is that certain drugs are almost perfectly suited to the repetitive, unfulfilling work we see in today's capitalist market economy? It's true in a sense. Drugs such as caffeine and nicotine, in their typical forms i.e. coffee and cigarettes, do not interrupt the typical working routine whereas a drug like cannabis may cause one to detract from this type of work.

When under the influence of cannabis, thought processes alter depending on various factors. Maybe it's due to its illegal status, maybe it's due to the nature of its effects in themselves, but there seems to be continuous link to cannabis use and unorthodoxy i.e. questioning authority, duties, motives etc.

That being said, as mint boi hinted at, dosage, the exact nature of the work and mode of taking each drug in are also major factors. Cannabis, in small ingested doses, is known to control the effects of ADD allowing a user to concentrate better. Caffeine, in very high doses, will produce an effect that's far from productive. Looking at various types of work, cannabis may not be very useful in terms of jobs that involve customer service in that it causes anxiety and uneasiness in some. However, extremely repetitive assembly line jobs may be easier to bare if under the influence of cannabis. Chinese immigrants to the newly-formed US used opium in order to put up with the mind-numbingly boring tasks of digging mines, laying down railways and building roads.

So ultimately, there may be a role for any drug in any working environment as long as it's the right drug and it is distributed in the correct dosage.

[ruber]

Originally Posted by Nature Boy

So what you're saying is that certain drugs are almost perfectly suited to the repetitive, unfulfilling work we see in today's capitalist market economy? It's true in a sense. Drugs such as caffeine and nicotine, in their typical forms i.e. coffee and cigarettes, do not interrupt the typical working routine whereas a drug like cannabis may cause one to detract from this type of work.

When under the influence of cannabis, thought processes alter depending on various factors. Maybe it's due to its illegal status, maybe it's due to the nature of its effects in themselves, but there seems to be continuous link to cannabis use and unorthodoxy i.e. questioning authority, duties, motives etc.

That being said, as mint boi hinted at, dosage, the exact nature of the work and mode of taking each drug in are also major factors. Cannabis, in small ingested doses, is known to control the effects of ADD allowing a user to concentrate better. Caffeine, in very high doses, will produce an effect that's far from productive. Looking at various types of work, cannabis may not be very useful in terms of jobs that involve customer service in that it causes anxiety and uneasiness in some. However, extremely repetitive assembly line jobs may be easier to bare if under the influence of cannabis. Chinese immigrants to the newly-formed US used opium in order to put up with the mind-numbingly boring tasks of digging mines, laying down railways and building roads.

So ultimately, there may be a role for any drug in any working environment as long as it's the right drug and it is distributed in the correct dosage.

B careful, my
Your theories about drugs are very similar to the ones that had a friend of mine that ended up getting mad and killing him self.
Theoretically human being doesn't need drugs to survive, but just the opposite

[afarmer]

My imaginary friend used to go into work stoned regularly, it helped him with doing the monotonous tasks that he hated otherwise.

Then his position got erased and now he's unemployed.

On a completely unrelated matter, so am I.

[ruber]

Originally Posted by afarmer

My imaginary friend used to go into work stoned regularly, it helped him with doing the monotonous tasks that he hated otherwise.

Then his position got erased and now he's unemployed.

On a completely unrelated matter, so am I.

I'm sure your imaginary friend had been doing those monotonous tasks for ages if it had used other kind of drugs to stand that job it hated.
For how long has it been unemployed. What does it like?

[Mint boi]

I think Nature Boy was just saying that depending on the situation different drugs CAN be good, not that one/he NEEDS certain drugs depending on the situation

[Nature Boy]

Exactly. I don't advocate that anyone use drugs in the workplace but fact of the matter is, many people do and in some cases it may boost productivity. SWIM was known to work stoned in his part-time job. It didn't effect him at all. Then again, it was the type of job that didn't require any heavy machinery use or complex calculations.

[ruber]

But I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about this:

So ultimately, there may be a role for any drug in any working environment as long as it's the right drug and it is distributed in the correct dosage.

Theoretically what you have to do is looking for a job and a life (couple, etc...) that you enjoy, not getting high, stoned, pissed or whatever and constantly, to stand a way of life you couldn't stand sober

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by ruber

But I'm not talking about that.
I'm talking about this:

So ultimately, there may be a role for any drug in any working environment as long as it's the right drug and it is distributed in the correct dosage.

Theoretically what you have to do is looking for a job and a life (couple, etc...) that you enjoy, not getting high, stoned, pissed or whatever and constantly, to stand a way of life you couldn't stand sober

Look at the language I used: "there may be a role...". I was theorising. And despite what you may think, it's wholly possible for someone to use drugs in the work environment if they're very careful. I never suggested that one ought to use drugs in the work environment as a form of escapism, in that they hate the job so much. Drug use is the opposite of escapism IMO. Drugs enhance the senses, make the good better, make the bad worse. I honestly don't get why people link drugs with escapism. It probably stems from the depiction of drunkards pissing their misery away.

[ruber]

Are you talking about drugs in general terms or just about psychedelic drugs?

[Nature Boy]

Largely psychedelics but I think that the same applies to all drugs in a sense (barring maybe dissociatives). Whether it happens instantaneously, or shortly afterwards, drug use brings about strong realisations about one's self and their surroundings. It's not common with certain drugs, e.g. alcohol, but it is possible.