Paraphernalia - Safety of purchasing chargers and whippers online?

[Lettish]

My friend is interested in purchasing some chargers and a whipper. Is it ok for him to do this online? Is it at all suspicious? Will anyone question him? Is this equipment only purchasable by the catering industry?

Any answers would be appreciated.

[trptamene]

swim gets chargers online all the time...there is nothing illegal about filling your bathtub with whipped cream and going for a soak.

[Pondlife]

N2O is not scheduled under the Misuse of Drugs act, so no problem there.

It is covered under the medicines act when it's sold for inhalation, but thats only a problem for the supplier, not the buyer. That's why some suppliers say "not for inhalation" or similar, or even refuse to sell it if they thing it may be abused - it's to cover their own backside.

So in summary there's no legal problems in purchasing N2O, nor in inhaling it, as possession and use are not covered by any of the drug legislation.

[Jozef]

Be as conspicuous as you like - it's legal.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Wrong - declaring intent to inhale makes it illegal in many places.

[Paracelsus]

^^^ In most places, it's illegal when bought with the intent of inhaling it. Same goes for selling - if a vendor suspects that a client will inhale a N2O product and still sells it, he or she can be prosecuted. Being "as conspicuous as you like" may cause the vendor to refuse doing business with you.

[chukbzle]

if u wanna be more sure buy cracker seperate but i wouldnt worry ,at least depends where you are but if youre worried buy a whole whip cream kit (bout 6 more dollars) but dont do too much ,that crap has some nasty effect on your brain and lungs plus a nasty machine oil .but thats on you

[nEone]

SWIM feels like going online to buy this is overkill. In the US, most restaurant supply stores carry chargers and no licence or permit is required to buy them.

If they are harder to find in person in the UK and the internet is the only place SWIY can find them, then SWIM suggests ordering them from a legit food-supply store rather than an online headshop.

The risk here is very low...so low in fact that legitimate places sell them...so don't make it out to be anything more suspicious and SWIY will be fine. Whipped Cream is delicious.

[trptamene]

Originally Posted by nEone

SWIM feels like going online to buy this is overkill. In the US, most restaurant supply stores carry chargers and no licence or permit is required to buy them.

swim has found it much more economical online then at headshops or restaurant supply stores. Also, buying bulk won't get you weird looks & can be justified even more as it saving shipping costs.

[purplehaze]

SWIMS pet viking says.

Get a prepaid visa, purchase the item from a public computer like a library or some were with internet access. Go around your neighborhood and scope out a house for rent with a nice porch, make sure it's not one about to be sold or rented. Watch it for a couple of day's. Place your order, buy a whole truckload who care's. Scope the house out and track the order and hope like hell you don't miss it. Better to lose money than get caught.

Wait around back with a spear and catch dinner for when swiy gets home.

Polish helmet and go to sleep.

[chemlove]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

SWIMS pet viking says.

Get a prepaid visa, purchase the item from a public computer like a library or some were with internet access. Go around your neighborhood and scope out a house for rent with a nice porch, make sure it's not one about to be sold or rented. Watch it for a couple of day's. Place your order, buy a whole truckload who care's. Scope the house out and track the order and hope like hell you don't miss it. Better to lose money than get caught.

Wait around back with a spear and catch dinner for when swiy gets home.

Polish helmet and go to sleep.

I don't understand what you can get caught for if i want gourmet whip cream for my home made pies i don't see why i can't have it. I think this is a bit over reactive. My friend SWIM has never had a complaint from receiving his pure whip. and the best part "he actually uses it for his gourmet pies too"

[rocksmokinmachine]

I don't think there are currently any laws or regulations regarding the purchase of food grade nitrous oxide either. Why go to all the hassle?

Reputation Comments on this post:

Home made bongs using my engineering degre

[purplehaze]

Originally Posted by chemlove

I don't understand what you can get caught for if i want gourmet whip cream for my home made pies i don't see why i can't have it. I think this is a bit over reactive. My friend SWIM has never had a complaint from receiving his pure whip. and the best part "he actually uses it for his gourmet pies too"

It was in jest only my friend.

[trptamene]

^^This seems a bit overkill to me for something that is just used to make cream...but better safe than sorry is a rule of thumb in matters like these.

[geezaman]

SWIM wonders if SWIpurplehazes post wasnt meant to be obvious overkill, the catching dinner with a spear at the end suggested it to SWIM. SWIM a 19year old has many times had crates of 600 caps delivered to two places he has lived, one university accomodation with a mail room where packages had to be collected from. The staff never said a thing. It may help some SWIYs to know that caps/nangs/whippets filled with co2 and at 12g size are used to power some air pistols, if these are less of a problem in SWIYs location saying the caps were for that use might help.

[trptamene]

^^I've actually heard of ppl using n20 as opposed to co2 for paintball....seems like a terrible waste to swim...tho this is probably automotive grade or something similar.

Ditto on the campus mail room for swim, but w/ 360 @ most. Can't help but to nearly bust out laughing hearing the chargers clank as one walks out the mail center.

[geezaman]

Originally Posted by trptamene

^^I've actually heard of ppl using n20 as opposed to co2 for paintball....seems like a terrible waste to swim...tho this is probably automotive grade or something similar.

Ditto on the campus mail room for swim, but w/ 360 @ most. Can't help but to nearly bust out laughing hearing the chargers clank as one walks out the mail center.

SWIM was thinking of saying the nitrous caps were for use in an airgun/paintballgun rather than inhaling the gas intended for those guns, for the reason SWIY states as well as that it is more than 90% likley where SWIM is that the gas will be carbon dioxide so of no use in getting a buzz.

SWIMs uni mail room was staffed by two small old women, he never got hassled but occasionally was asked what was in the package that was so incredibly heavy, on that occasion SWIM said it was special food from home such as home made jams, SWIM was always tempted by a rebelious twinge to rip the box open on their desk swiftly fill a balloon inhale and pass out, of course he would never see the look on their faces, but regularly cheers himself considering what it might be

[purplehaze]

Ha thats hilarious geezaman, swim also thinks things like this from time to time.

Like a cop pull him over and say, are there any drugs in the car.

Sure and pull out a fat fuckin duece and smoke it right there and be like ahhhhhhh hahaha bitch. Guzzle down a beer and smash it on his forehead lmao.

Also paintball guns do use real N20 not carbon dioxide.

Most n20 guns are more expensive but if you have a sports center or something of the like you should be able to get the big 20oz paintball c02's filled for like 3-5 bucks

Nos tanks cost more to get filled and really arent worth it in the sport, i dunno about inhaling it tho.

[EntheogenicTruth]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

Like a cop pull him over and say, are there any drugs in the car.

yea swim has had experience with cops and whippets. swim got pulled over driving unlicensed with 4 ppl in a 2 person car and when he stopped the car with a cop behind him his friend still had swims modded military gasmask on. swims friend thought that they had reached their destination so he fell out of the passenger door with his gasmask on... fucked out of his brains. the cops gave him the weirdest looks. hmmm cops looking through windows at unlicensed drivers with the floor not visible because of the carpet of whippets on the floor.

[Paracelsus]

In many places it is illegal to possess N2O for intoxication purposes (which can be easily proven if you also order crackers, balloons, etc).

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by Paracelsus

In many places it is illegal to possess N2O for intoxication purposes (which can be easily proven if you also order crackers, balloons, etc).

But just ordering nitrous whippets should not cause any legal issues?

[Orchid_Suspiria]

As long as swiy doesn't buy everything together cracker,whippits,balloons swiy should be alright.Afterall just say swiy wants to use his own whippedcream for pies at a birthday party or something.

[Bezzz]

The site that SWIM has ordered from previously has requested that the buyer agrees to some conditions prior to purchase stating that they won't use them to get high etc. Other than that there are no worries on ordering online in the UK.

[thegirlghost]

you can normally buy ez-whips and the like at porn stores with no sideways glances.

[niraco]

I very recently ordered a Co2 tire inflator and a tonne of chargers online (UK), completing the orders within seconds of each other... Everything came at the same time, the same courier-guy handed them over.

Sod anyone who considers me anything more than a whip cream loving cyclist.

It's 100% legal (unless you sell it)

[wishdoctor1]

Don't carry compressed gases on airplanes or have them shipped by air. That would probably be a federal felony. But all of the merchants who supply cooks and restaurants should follow that law and have them shipped to you by ground.

See http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/dll/N20_state_laws.htm for for a compendium of state laws re N2O that were in force as of 2002.

It's interesting that NJ apparently made it illegal for anyone except for medical professionals to possess N20 "in any form"!

Well, they probably enforce that law just as vigorously as they do the laws (federal and in every state) that make it a major felony to "manufacture" a C-II controlled substance by growing papaver somniferum flowers.

Any gourmet cook who wants to make their own whipped cream can get all the N2O they need from XXXXXXX, as one example. But making whipped cream with N2O seemed to be illegal in NJ back in 2002, because (in a quick glance) NJ appears to be the only state on that list U.S. which made the simple possession of nitrous oxide illegal unless you are a medical professional. (AFAIK, the Nytrous+ sold for giving a boost to motor vehicles was just coming on the market around year 2000, so maybe they amended the law to allow drag racing).

The way they worded the NJ statute as listed on that website it gave no exemption for people who like to make whipped cream. But I doubt that they're arresting all the cooks, bakers, etc. who order the cartridges and the whipped cream dispensers sold by XXXXXXXXX and many other suppliers who sell unlimited quantities to anyone with a credit card, no questions asked.

While most of the N2O cartridges are the same size as used in CO2 pellet or paint guns and contain 8 grams of N2O, XXXXXXXXX sells a double-size cartridge that contains 15 grams and the have 1-liter cansisters that take the larger cartridges. If someone already has the smaller 0.5 liter whipped cream canister normally used with the 8-gram cartridges, the "heads" for both canisters are interchangeable, meaning that you can swap the "heads" of either one onto either size of canister. The screw fitting between the head and the canister is the same thread size, for both 0.5 and 1.0 liter canisters.

If you took college chemistry, you might remember that one mole of a gas is 22.4 liters at S.T.P. and you can figure out that the molecular weight of N2O is 44. So 44 grams = 22.4 liters. Therefore, the 8 grams of N2O in the smaller cartridges expands to a volume of 4 liters. ICRP Standard Man breathing rate is 2.6E-4 cubic-meter/second, and the rest is left as an exercise for the reader.

Here's a book about N2O for automotive applications that has a lot of useful info on the materal: XXXXXXXXXX

It seems that there are only three types of N2O sold in the U.S. today: 1) medical grade (which is sold only to medical professionals), 2) food grade (used for making whipped cream and sold to any cook with a 10-lb tank tha has a CGA 326 per XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX), and 3) the stinky Nytrous+ crapola that all drag racers have come to hate.

Maybe ten years ago, before Nytrous+, they sold "technical grade" for drag racing, but it doesn't seem to be sold any more. If someone has a tank that used to contain the old technical grade stuff, it's probaly all leaked out by now. Thoroughly clean out the oil traces probably left behind and then you can get that tank filled (in many places) and make tons of whipped cream.

N2O bottles for automotive use can have either a CGA 326 (same as for restaurants) or else they can have the CGA 660 head mentioned in that book about nitrous for boosting internal combustion engines. Airgas expects a CGA 326 head for food-grade applications, and I know for a certainty that the 10-lb bottles sold (empty) by Nitrous Express have the CGA 326 head.

If you have such a tank here, the only stuff you can buy to fill it is the food grade N2O. There's only one automotive shop here that does nitrous installations and as far as they know, NOBODY here has EVER sold Nytrous+. The dealers in compressed gases don't even carry the stinky Nytrous+; there is no reason for them to carry it because nobody would buy it ... because it stinks, literally, and there is no law here that regulates the sale of food-grade N2O.