Is the end near for Meth?

[CaptainKirk210]

In SWIM's dreams as of late it is like pulling teeth trying to find good dope. SWIM has seen dry spells before then he would come into months where he wouldn't do without, he is not new to the game.

Where SWIM lives it used the market was dominated by homemade powder meth, called "raw" locally. SWIM has seen many cooks rise and fall, and knows for everyone they bust another is waiting to take his spot. Now, the problem is not arrests, it is precursor chemicals. Not so much ephedrine / pseudoephedrine or red phosphorous / hypophosphoric acid, SWIM still sees those but Iodine is all but gone, and it is being taken off store shelves. SWIM hasn't seen any raw dope in about two months!


So SWIM has started doing Ice. When it's good it is on about the same level of raw, only slightly different buzz, but that is the problem. The Ice SWIM gets is good only about half the time he gets it. He has got to the point where he has to try it, and examine the contents very carefully before he can buy. Is it really this bad or is it just locally? In SWIM's dream he lives in the Southeast United States. Like SWIM said he has seen a lot but this looks like it may be the end of meth, at least in this area.

SWIM does know that they can never get a full hold on meth, but if SWIM can't do good shit whenever he wants to tie one on it may be the end for him. As of now SWIM probably can find some good once every 2 weeks and when you get clean, then get high again over and over you feel worse than if you had just did one or the other.

[Dreamer/Deceiver]

The following was a dream I had:
Swim's experience is similar except that in swim's area (west coast US) many of the cooks have switched to phenylamines rather than methylamines like (epedrine/PSE) in swim's dreams. Swim may have this information slightly skewed so please someone correct me if I dreamed this wrong. The RAW stuff you like is possibly meth sulfate or unfinished/uncrystallized meth. ICE is a bullshit term the authorities pasted on crystal meth or methamphetamine that has been rendered into larger crystals, nothing more. usually by bubbling a corrosive gas through it or crystallizing powder the normal way as with a supersaturated solution and/or evaporation. There are so many recipes out there... Problem is that when you use other (phenyl) amines you must use the chemically (polarized? I think is wrong word) the dextrorotary form rather than the levorotary form represented by most easily obtainable phenylamines like phenylalanine. To use these you must convert to the "D" form first or make meth d tartrate from the final product later by reacting with d tartaric acid and then re-extracting . Swim's sure you lose some probably. This may seem rather technical but with rusty chemistry and lack of real cooking experience it's as close as swim can get. 2/3rds of what swim sees in the last 6 months is like this. Looks beautiful but doesn't get you high. Some has a minty taste when smoked. Like it's made from cough syrup, Vick's inhalers, or Nyquil . Swim would guess Vick's inhalers which good cooks know is wrong. Gets you Slightly stimulated and won't make you drag but no psychoactive component. May as well be caffeine.ll real chemists know: D good L bad.

Elsewhere here are posts in more technical terms that describe this same dream. I think most cooks don't read forums. The authorities have thrown down the gauntlet. Pseudoepedrine cannot be scheduled I don't think. To be schedule 1 a substance needs to have no medical use which isn't true with PSE or even ephedrine. So many people have taken PSE they'd never get people to believe it's a danger so they have to be honest. The drug foes did a good job lying to congress and got them to remove Ephedrine from stores based on it's danger when used alone as a stimulant. I don't remember them mentioning meth. Same goes for other ingredients from "Children's cold medicines" that they are now trying to get banned without telling anyone it's because of meth just citing deaths from OD etc. Using doctors as wits. What we will end up doing is exporting money to foreign countries where ephedra is grown for use and the jackbooted forces of our misdirected gov can kick in peoples teeth and rights without fear which has worked so well with coke and heroin. Hoo-Rah for the good guys eh?

In my dreams I never tell the truth but I am always lying

Dreamer/Deceiver

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good post

[iowadsmbadboy]

Swim feel your pain. Today was the first day in a really long time that Swim could find anything worth and money. Just hang in there everything will pick up again.

[needmore]

your not alone a lot of SWIMMers are finding it hard here in Australia for the same reasons, lack of quality precursors

[raven3davis]

Meth isnt dead and won't ever die. When precursors become impossible to find it will just be imported like coke and heroin and the cartels would love to make a buck from meth too.

Its a local things. SWIM is sure meth is flourishing elsewhere and probably in a town near you. you may just not know about it.

[jayjohnson81]

Originally Posted by raven3davis

Meth isnt dead and won't ever die. When precursors become impossible to find it will just be imported like coke and heroin and the cartels would love to make a buck from meth too.

You know what - why the hell not? Then you won't have the cranked out cooks blowing up and leaving toxic landsites everywhere they go.

[jayjohnson81]

Oh look at this - I have CNN on tv in the background (don't laugh, I like to get some input on what is happening in the world...)

A high school chem teacher in California is busted trying to synth meth in the high school lab. Found other chems there, and recipes at his home, but the feds got him trying to buy precursers.

[Acyl]

Originally Posted by jayjohnson

Oh look at this - I have CNN on tv in the background (don't laugh, I like to get some input on what is happening in the world...)

A high school chem teacher in California is busted trying to synth meth in the high school lab. Found other chems there, and recipes at his home, but the feds got him trying to buy precursers.

[Dreamer/Deceiver]

Does this bother anyone? Acyl? You can kill millions of people and get reelected but try to buy too many cold pills at 7-11 and the Gestapo kicks in your door and your life is over. I don't remember voting for any of this nightmare or even seeing it on the ballot. If this isn't a totalitarian world then what is? Only consolation is that there are worse places like where your neighbors want you dead for what you name stuffed animals. Or is that just a fabricated manipulation? It sounds like propaganda to me...

Re: the teacher in California. If you own a gun and instructions that indicate where is the best place to shoot a human and you go to the store to buy some bullets should you be arrested for murder? Is this not an Orwellian "thought crime" in a sense? Shouldn't the feds wait until the cooking is at least underway? Perhaps a "conspiracy" is enough but doesn't that require another person?

It doesn't seem a lot to ask but swim want swim's illegal and dangerous drugs to actually work. Bottom line. Lately swim's meth is not working. Swim suspect the pigs are behind it all with the prohibs on precursors. Is this happening to many others in other places? What can be done to alleviate the situation? That is the main theme of this thread I think.

I would never be honest with anyone. Believe me!
Dreamer/Deceiver

[Alekseev]

Most of the meth production has moved to Mexico. The Feds in the US have totally shot themselves in the foot. For one, they have slowed the domestic production. Quite an accomplishment if you think about it. The problem for them is that now the price is higher as is demand, and the production is now out of the US. How are we supposed to regulate it now? We can't without cooperation from the Mexican authorities. Now don't get me wrong: Production is still here in the US, but not like it was. Purity is terrible. I think the average for a pound is like 30%. If you get Mexican or SE Asian ice, you have a better product, but it is at a premium price and demand. Small amounts of meth can be at a purity as low as 10%...

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true, very true

[Dreamer/Deceiver]

Most of the meth production has moved to Mexico.

This Swim knows. More exportation of dollars. Great.
Problem swim experiences is beautiful crystal without zing. After studying much of chemisty related to this swim have reached the conclusion that perhaps cooks are attempting to use the wrong (but easily acquired) precursor resulting in (and this is where swim have difficulty with a descriptive term) a problem related to chirality. Since it is difficult to cut other than simply adding something inactive that looks similar but is not... And in this case we're talking crystals and not powder. And assuming that after many years swim knows what is "real" and what isn't using my senses and an analytical lab (GC and melting point apparatus)... The only way that this could be meth and still not have the expected effect is what I am trying to describe yet my education in chemistry is sadly lacking where it comes to this type of description. What swim is seeing is meth chemically and of high purity. It waddles and quacks but is not a duck. A fucking doppleganger or changeling in human terms and really tough to work around. How for the love of mike do you tell the difference between the L and D isomers?
Other than the missing buzz which is usually too late to save your investment or your high...

Swim's sources are excellent. No garbage ever and years of reputation are at stake. This problem has several experienced persons stumped... And frustrated. The most damaging aspect of the game and an unintended one for sure is the erosion of reputations of otherwise trusted suppliers via the precursor clampdown. This is worse than having no product at all.

D/D
"Professional Liar"

[iowadsmbadboy]

Originally Posted by jayjohnson

Oh look at this - I have CNN on tv in the background (don't laugh, I like to get some input on what is happening in the world...)

A high school chem teacher in California is busted trying to synth meth in the high school lab. Found other chems there, and recipes at his home, but the feds got him trying to buy precursers.

Who says our school system is so bad?!?!? This nice teacher was just helping the kids study! Just joking people. But really how much was he buying at once for them to be able to catch him like?

[Alekseev]

Originally Posted by iowadsmbadboy

Who says our school system is so bad?!?!? This nice teacher was just helping the kids study! Just joking people. But really how much was he buying at once for them to be able to catch him like?

150 pounds of pseudo... jk

[Dreamer/Deceiver]

... Annnnd he paid with a check that said "Bust me please" where the signature goes? Scary thought #502053: This guy is a college graduate and was hired to teach our kids... No wonder so many can't read. 150 pounds? "Yeah uh... I got me a herd of cattle with the sniffles". Dumb with a capital "Z". I'll never feel bad about buying 2 packs of 24 tabs (from 10 different stores?) again.

Awhile back I read about a guy who blew himself up trying to extract meth from his own urine with ether (after putting it there on purpose via the usual methods if you can believe it). What a conservationist that one. I Bet the flavor suffers. He survived so no Darwin for him this time though he seems capable of earning one. Mythbusters?

Someone who isn't me found something good so the midnight sun still shines on planet Darkness and the Owl shift is well staffed still...

Deception is 50% me lying and 50% you buying.

Dreamer/Deceiver

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Very funny post

[iowadsmbadboy]

Wow Swim can't believe someone would actually try that. So sad. Swim had a friend who used to insist they could smoke speed bumps. WOW. SWIMMERS are fun people!

[thestarabove]

The teacher wasn't trying to get 150lb of ephedrine, he was trying to buy red phosphorus.

About the guy trying to extract meth from his piss, thats fucken hillarious.

[tina_craig]

All that just gives the peeps who aren't dumbasses a bad name.

[rocketman3291]

Hahaha that's so funny... a friend of mine who has a friend says he once thought of trying to recoup from urine... only one problem, once it's in your urine, it is now a metabolite.... your liver has processed it. I suppose SOME might go through unprocessed if your liver can't keep up...

sheesh!

[Qulu]

SWIM thinks the reason the manufacturing base is moving to Mexico is because Republicans are in charge... They'll do anything to ship our manufacturing jobs to Mexico! It's just NAFTA in action.

[chemlove]

Originally Posted by jayjohnson

Oh look at this - I have CNN on tv in the background (don't laugh, I like to get some input on what is happening in the world...)

A high school chem teacher in California is busted trying to synth meth in the high school lab. Found other chems there, and recipes at his home, but the feds got him trying to buy precursers.

It goes to show that the trick isn't anything other then making sure you have your ingredients before you bake your pie. the major problem is getting these chemicals is getting tougher and tougher. Like most others i also believe that supply and demand will stipulate that sooner or later meth will be playing at a theater near you.

[umbra1010]

SWIM does not do meth and never will. But the answer to your question is simple. Sure, output may go down, but there will always be people making the stuff becuase they get smarter and find new techniques and chems. No matter how many busts happen there will always be more.

[teclord]

I don't see anything wrong with reclaiming meth from someones urine. i'd rather process a gall of piss for couple grams of meth than all the work for precursors to re up what they've pissed out. Also as i understand it the body does not "break down" the meth. It simply filters it out thru sweat and pis ect.

[ThirdEyeFloond]

As someone stated meth will never die. Availability may decline if precursors are hard to find though. For instance meth has never been big where SWIM is at, as the organized int. criminals roaming here seem to have better sources for synthesizing amphetamine (or well to make a dirty product containing some amph) than meth. To get meth one needs to know a cook or make it himself, it's not found in abundance on the street like amph is, and like meth is in USA. Meth is usually found pure while amph is 90% cutproducts. Most if not all chemicals are always available one just have to look for it in the right places.

[rocketman3291]

Originally Posted by teclord

I don't see anything wrong with reclaiming meth from someones urine. i'd rather process a gall of piss for couple grams of meth than all the work for precursors to re up what they've pissed out. Also as i understand it the body does not "break down" the meth. It simply filters it out thru sweat and pis ect.

Meth is metabolized into amphetamine.
Amphetamine is metabolized into benzoic acid

Look it up.

[thealmassi1]

is it a bad thing that meth is less available?? has it done more good than bad in the world?
there is no end to a drug once it's invented, it simply becomes more difficult to get ahold of.