adderall and amphetamine sulphate?

[preacherreacher]

SWIM understands that adderell is a mixture of different types of salt but what happens if SWIM doesn't have access to adderell, can SWIM use amphetamine sulphate as an alternative?

SWIM is not interested in creating that euphoric feeling, E is SWIM's personal choice when it comes to that, but he is just after the medicinal benefits of adderell. e.g improving concentration, etc.

Because amp sulph is a powerful drug, would SWIM need to lower the dosage and by how much?

I read in a scientific study that for meths, ADHD can be treated with very low dosages - about 5 to 10mg. Hopefully the dosage would be more or less the same. What do you think?

But then just how powerful is amp sulph when compared to methamphetamines?

[Psych0naut]

It's about half the strength, but mind you, amphetamine sulphate is notorious in the UK for the fact one never knows it's potency, it varies from just a few percent up to 70% or so. If one doesn't know how much of it really is amphetamine, than dosing will be difficult. One needs to have 100% pure chemicals if one wants to be accurate with dosing, with street drugs, this is not going to happen. SWIM has medicated himself with racemic amphetamine sulphate for his ADD, before he got dexedrine scripted, but if was 100% pure, not street amphetamine.

[preacherreacher]

So the only solution is for SWIM to make the amphetamine sulphate himself in order to be sure about the purity of the drug but he is concerned about the availability of the ingredients and has wondered whether the purchasing of these ingredients from various companies, even from those chemical manufacturers that operate in other countries, like India or China, can be traced back to his house by the money trail.

Because SWIM cannot get adderell or dexetrine in the UK, the pyschiatrists are strongly against perscribing such medication, especially to adults but strangely enough they are willing to accept the notion that children suffer from ADHD more so than adults, an idea which I'm not too comfortable with since surely a child with ADD will develop into an adult with ADD.

I have been doing extensive reading on this subject, from the brilliant works of Oliver Sacks to lesser well known neurologists or pyschiatrists and I suspect that attention deficit disorder is the result of a conflict between the subconscious part of the brain and the conscious part of the brain. In support of this we often hear about people with ADHD being particularly creative individuals, which is the relm of the subconscious and treatment with drugs can actually hinder this creativity and makes them more docile and less imaginative. Normally the subconscious and the conscious mind works together, hand in hand, with the conscious mind setting up the problems while the subconcious solves them - of the two, the subconscious is bigger and considerably more powerful, like the submerged part of an iceberg in the artic sea. But the subconscious aspect of the brain needs guidance, it needs structure and relies on the conscious for this.

For some reason, people with ADHD or ADD suffer from a weakened, disorganised conscious brain - they cannot structure their thoughts as well which confuses the subconscious, frequently leading the subconscious up the garden path - so people like us need a drug like amphetamines or adderell that will evoke the neurotransmitters into enhancing the synaptic connections between the neurones and thus improving the process of conscious thinking whereas the subconscious probably remains intact for the most part but far more capable of achieving its goals because of the better working relationship with the conscious aspect of the brain. Why UK doctors are not recognising this relationship, I don't know?

[preacherreacher]

I was just wondering - can SWIM get assessed in the netherlands for ADHD because the UK is a bit behind the times?

I would rather do this properly.

[Psych0naut]

Yes he can, and the treating specialist can send references to SWIY's own doctor. SWIM has to mention though, it's the same situation here as well. Doctors are reluctant to prescribed dextro-amphetamine in the Netherlands as well, they script Ritalin(methylphenidate) much easier though. SWIM went to a ADD/ADHD specialist, of which there are only a few in the Netherlands. They have a much better understanding of it, and prescribe what they think would be the best. It is only partially covered by my insurance though, and I doubt SWIY's insurance would cover it, so it will be very, very expensive. Also, as glas as SWIM would like to help SWIY out, it is not allowed by the rules, so he can't give specific information.

[preacherreacher]

SWIM completely understands SWIY predicament and wouldn't want him to break the rules.

Suffice to say SWIM will probably have to find another way of going about it, maybe by creating amphetamine sulphate himself if he can acquire the appropiate ingredients in time.

[Psych0naut]

The synthesis of amphetamine sulphate is not like baking a cake, it is certainly a lot more difficult than that, even aquiring the precursors is difficult. SWIY should seek a ADHD/ADD specialist in Brittain, they will prescribe dex-amphetamine if needed.

[preacherreacher]

SWIM has already been done that road - it took 9 months to get an appointment and the shrink didn't even believe in adult ADHD.

He thought SWIM didn't need it, he claimed, outweighed the benefits and didn't think it was necessary to put at SWIM at that much risk, not a bad assessment from just 20 minutes of history taking, Jesus himself couldn't have done a better job. It didn't matter to him that I had been fired from several of my previous jobs because of lack of attention and making too many careless mistakes. That was irrelevant to him; his main focus was how well SWIM did at school and since SWIM had come up with a number of good methods of masking his ADD from the scrutiny of others, especially his teachers, SWIM's grades weren't really affected but put under the spot, in a situation where close attention to detail, concentration or organised thinking is required, rather than the simple regurgitation of facts like at school, SWIM has a really hard time and can't manage to keep up with even the simplest of things. For example, SWIM makes a very poor adminstrator, filing and organising paper work is not SWIM's strong suit but it doesn't just stop there, either, even every day living like personal hygiene can be affected because SWIM often forgets, for instance, to shave every morning, a habit which everybody over the age of 25 should have formed by now, yet SWIM still struggles.

This shrink had never even come across a single incident of adult ADD, ten years in working in the industry and SWIM was his first case. The UK is a so far behind the times. Instead he has been referred to a neuropyschologist, for more test - the waiting list is very long and another 8 months will probably go by before SWIM sees her and since she is not a doctor and cannot perscribe medicine SWIM will be referred back to this naive shrink only to be told there is nothing they can do for SWIM but at least SWIM will have a diagnosis - who wants treatment anyway? I just made an appointment out of my own scientific curiosity - to know thyself. Yeah, right

But if SWIM cannot find the ingredients then he will buy amphetamine sulphate himself, rather that than wait enough 8 months to be told after a twenty minute history that I don't have ADD.

[preacherreacher]

SWIM tried to see a ADHD specialist - he only takes private cases when it comes to adults, at a cost of £200, for an hour consultation. I have had arguments that lasted longer! Not a bad money maker - if he saw every case of adult ADD or ADHD, the man would be a millionaire. SWIM might not even get treatment after spending that money, if his last consultation was anything to go by and what a waste that would be!!!

Rather spend the money on amphetamine sulphate, the drug is chemically similar, just more powerful, which can be accounted for by adjusting the dosage and in the long run you will be paying less for it... at least that is what SWIM would do!!

SWIM wishes he lives in the USA