Experiences - insane kratom dose experience

[sands of time]

I have been using kratom for awhile now and I am happy with what it provides. Well 3 days ago I recieved some very strong kratom extract so I decided to try a very high dose. I weighed out 10 grams of the extract which was said to be 7 grams of kratom extracted into each gram, so that would be the equivalent of 70 grams of very potent kratom! I also added 10 grams of potent kratom, which was a typical dose for me.

So in all, this single dose was about 80 grams of kratom!!! Needless to say, this mixture was very bad in taste, quite similar to the taste of ayahusca. The buzz came on quickly, in fact each gulp provided a small but quick feeling of stimulation, followed by the usual opiate feeling. The drink took about 45 minutes to get down and before the drink was finnished I was feeling pretty opiated. The high was very comparable to a dirty but strong opiate high. The effects lasted from 8:00 to when I went to sleep at 2:30. The night was a bit blury and I only remember some significant points of the night. The morning however was hell. There were obvious withdrawl symptons including nausea, vertigo, intense sweating and a terrible feeling of being drained of energy. I luckly had the day off from work so I stayed in bed from when I woke at 10:30 A.M. to about 5 P.M. when I felt I could eat a small bowl of soup. At 4 P.M. I realized I had to try to get up so I walked out of my bedroom but felt an intense feeling of vertigo and vomited. This vomiting was far worse than any hangover however, I litterly had tears running out of my eyes as I vomited and my stomach felt as though it was being rung out like a sponge. After this however I felt as though I was able to walk without getting sick and that helped alot. That night I was able to eat and I ate plenty! The day after, which is today, I felt physically drained of energy again but my stomach feels fine and I can eat. I was also mentally drained, being rather reserved at work and performing a little slower. My mind also felt a bit hazy. All in all the high was not at all worth the money ($40 in kratom!!!) or the hangover. I will never repeat this dosage again but I will continue to use kratom, in fact im drinking some right now. Let my lesson learned be a lesson for you all to learn from! Stay safe.Edited by: sands of time

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Ugh, awful, but thanks for sharing.

[cyalume]

yeah.. as with most things in life kratom is apparently better in moderation. Thx for posting the report

[jarka]

That was crazy dose Never underestimate drugs.

[cyalume]

Originally Posted by jarka

That was crazy dose Never underestimate drugs.

this is a temptation to do with the legal substances.. people think if its legal then there's no way its gonna be strong.

[RoboCop]

I swallowed a gram of the 7x extract, I thought it was weak, for I swallowed it all in a few balls and it had no effect. Im sure you bought yours from the same place I did.(you know where im talking about) I think their kratom is a little weak, I don't think anyone could take 70grams of high quality kratom without projectile vomiting. Your experience sounds like fun though, and I'd like to have a strong kratom high like that. Even if it means feeling like shit in the morning. But like you said 40$ for a one night experience, is pretty pricey, but hey thats what I pay for a 4g shroom night, and its worth it on occasion.

[sands of time]

Actually this was a different place. It was good kratom though and the extract was awful tasting.

[enquirewithin]

I have some Kratom extract, proabbly not from the same source as mentioned-- any guidelines for dosage? Is 1g a lot?

[GDxCAT]

it really depends where you got it.

The place i ordered mine from i needed 7+ grams for a strong experience.

[Darthcarlos]

Crazey

[enquirewithin]

My supplier claims that you need 4-6g. We''ll see!

[cj1223]

after reading this forum about kratom swim is going to buy some and cant fucking wait till its deliverd

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[nera]

This seems to be a reoccuring thing with people who use kratom, i have done it myself. Well it may seem that there is more just over the bend with kratom, there isn't, there is a point where more is not better. I don't recommend taking large quantities of kratom, you will find out why, because it is enivitable that if you use kratom you will try to take more that what gets you to a good place. I say take what you get and don't hope for more, it is good but it never really gets mind blowingly great, i like it that way, subtlety is the key to true enjoyment.

-- Nera

[snapper]

SWIM used to use about 15g / dose of premium powdered leaf, but now does about 3-4g at a time. Same stuff, and similar effect with less hangover and sedation. This stuff is a more perfect opiate since more does not kill you but reinforces the desire to to take more next time. It also has a stimulant property which is different than any other stimulant SWIM has tried. Truely wonderful were it not for intense fatigue after-effect the next day which SWIM cannot seem to get past. The only way to shake it is to take another dose, and SWIM is too smart to fall for that one again !!

Snapper

[bewilderment]

Okay, I was really starting to get worried about swim until I read this. Swim has been in bed most of the day. In fact, she's still in bed but it's 7pm and she finally mustered up a tiny bit of energy to come on here and look this up. Swim has taken kratom...........just after I wrote that swim had to go vomit once again for the first time since 3pm so I suppose the trip downstairs to get the computer wasn't such a great idea. Anyway, swim has taken kratom plenty of times in the past although not with any sort of regularity. She's had bad hangovers from it before but she's never experienced anything like this before in her life. Yesterday around 2pm, swim ingested approximately 8 grams in the form of "super commercial grade crushed leaves". She grinded them up more finely and put them into veggie caps. She's heard that the veggie caps take longer to dissolve and take effect, but the store she went to only had these capsules so she went ahead and got them. This is the first time she's used capsules and usually opts for buying the powdered kratom and then mixing it into pudding. Anyway, around 5pm she was getting slight effects but nothing like previous doses and then they seemed to go away entirely. So, she took about 4 more grams. She still wasn't getting any effects when 9pm rolled around so she went ahead and took 8 more grams, went to rent some movies, came back and took about 5 more grams since she knew that before she barely got any effects. Then, she decided to drink a bit to enhance the effects...which turned into drinking quite a bit for swim personally and the rest of the night was fun albeit a bit blurry. There was no nausea experienced the previous night.

She woke up this morning around 8am feeling hungover with a headache but didn't feel nauseous. So she got up and went to the bathroom and found upon getting up that she was very nauseous and vomited in the bathroom. It was really bad and she vomited up the entire contents of her stomache and saw all of the leaf she consumed the night before. She figured she would be fine after vomiting up all of the kratom but was very, very wrong. She went downstairs to take an Ibprofen (yep, on an empty stomach...silly swim) and very soon after vomited once again. After that, she chugged some peptobismol and tried drinking water only to throw up again. She continued vomiting every 15-20 minutes from until 3pm and eventually just dry heaving like her stomach wanted to come out of her mouth. She has also been having extreme tremors which concerned her wife who was worried swim was going to have a seizure. Her partner wanted to take her to urgent care but swim has no insurance and not enough money to cover that. She called her mother to ask what to do and her mom didn't want to pay for the bill which left swim to have to tend to herself. Her mother suggested sipping room temperature ginger ale saying that cold things are more likely to make one vomit and to try to find something over-the-counter to help with the nausea. Swim's wife went and got some ginger ale and something called anti-nausea liquid but the only ingredients on there say fructose, glucose, and phosphoric acid. And it says to take it every 15 minutes for an hour. Swim took some of that and stayed downstairs sipping a bit of gingerale and ended up vomiting all of that up. Eventually, swim figured out that staying in bed put an end to the nausea along with sipping on some gingerale.

Swim has felt absolutely HORRIBLE all day long and still can't really hold anything down so she is unable to take anything for her bad headache. She also feels completely drained and dehydrated as well as nauseous. Also, her throat is very sore to the point where her voice is cracking like she's about to lose her voice or something due to all of the stomach acid that she's thrown up today.
-----After this, swim had to throw up once again and left the laptop alone so she could lie still. She asked her partner to go to get some dramamine which she did and swim was able to keep it down by lying still in bed and she was actually able to take a very short nap which she wasn't able to do before. Eventually, at 12:30am she was able to get out of bed and have a few dry, plain corn chips. It's 2:30am now and she feels okay but took a second dose of dramamine just in case. So, yeah, extremely high doses of kratom are terrible so I thought I would relay swim's experience.

Also, she's really happy that she found this thread because her partner was about to take her to the emergency room otherwise because they couldn't figure out what was going on.

[snapper]

That's a lot of kratom, but your reaction is still somewhat atypical. SWIM only uses gelcaps and effects peak within an hour and wear off about as fast as the pudding technique. SWIM has also eaten up to 15 g of leaf in a sitting, probably twice on a few occasions in a night, and has never had vomiting. SWIM is not saying the kratom couldn't have done it, but it could be something else, or combining with alcohol. SWIM's kratom hangovers usually consist of fatigue and maybe some nausea. Usually, SWIM gets a rapid heart rate and anxiety if SWIM overdoes it. Then again SWIM uses frequently so probably has a tolerance. Note SWIMs normal dose is 3-6 g of commerical leaf in gelcaps.
Good luck and SWIM hopes you feel better soon.

[Nicaine]

The couple times SWIM "od'ed" on kratom more than just a little, he was sicker than he'd ever been before... both times were 'hold on and pray for death' type situations with horrendous nausea/vertigo for a full 6 hours, like extreme cases of seasickness. SWIY seems somewhat lucky compared to SWIM as far as how he felt (maybe not).

[bewilderment]

Swim has very little tolerance to kratom which most likely explains part of the situation. The last time she used kratom was...well, she doesn't remember but it's been a number of months. She also does not use opiates except for once in a blue moon. Also, she thinks that perhaps the fact that she is subject to motion sickness as it is (she has to take dramamine when going on long car trips) probably also played a role. So, her entire consumption of kratom that day was 25g (maybe more, it seems like there was another dose in there somewhere, but things are a bit blurry. Also, the dose was taken on the day that she received her kratom in the mail so it was the first kratom experience in a very long time. Her usual dose of kratom is about 7g of the same leaf and from the same supplier that swim used this time. Swim doesn't doubt that the alcohol played a bit of a role, but she imagines that even without the alcohol the hangover would have still been pretty much as bad as it was considering the very high dosage and that swim gets motion sickness.

Swim is still extremely weak today and her throat is still sore from all of the stomach acid. And, the vomiting every 15 minutes for 7 hours non-stop was horrible...as I said, swim reported that the vomiting was like none she's ever experienced before: as if, if it could, her stomach was trying to escape from her mouth. When she actually had something in her stomach, she was projectile vomiting.

Also, snapper, you mention gelcaps and as I mentioned...swim was using veggie caps which she has heard take longer to dissolve and probably played a very large role in reducing the experienced effects. This is why swim kept taking more, trying to get similar effects to what she has had before.

And, the nausea and vomiting lasted for more than 7 hours...it was only at the 7 hour mark that she had the sense to actually lay down. The nausea lasted a full 14 hours although the last time she vomited was around the 11 hour mark. She thinks that it would've lasted for even more than 14 hours, but the dramamine stopped it so she could actually get up and walk around without vomiting. Yesterday was absolutely hellish. Swim can't recall ever being that sick before in her life. So, given the severity of the reaction and that she's never had such a reaction as an alcohol hangover she mostly attributes it to the kratom although alcohol did play certain role, she can't imagine that it was a major contributing factor.

So, swim has learned two important lessons: 1) Do not use veggie caps for kratom; and 2) Don't take crazy amounts of kratom even if it seems as if the kratom is not working because it will catch up with you the next day. It's better to just wait until the next day and try a different method or dosage.

[snapper]

SWIM uses veggie caps too (sorry for the misnomer). All SWIYs points are valid, however. Glad to hear that SWIY is feeling better. Kratom is a wonderful thing if dosed properly. Look at the bright side, if it was a true opiate, you would be dead !

[Nagognog2]

Fortuatively, in some cases, the stated extract is NOT X3 or X10 as the ad claims. Many times it is, maybe, X1.5 or so. But you never know! Need I be a Nag? Yes I do: Don't freaking do that!

There.

[bewilderment]

Just to update, swim has since tried the kratom once again using regular gel caps and received the normal effects using an 8g dosage. Maybe it was just the particular veggie caps she used (perhaps a different composition than what Swisnapper uses) or it could have just been some weird fluke.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by bewilderment

Just to update, swim has since tried the kratom once again using regular gel caps and received the normal effects using an 8g dosage. Maybe it was just the particular veggie caps she used (perhaps a different composition than what Swisnapper uses) or it could have just been some weird fluke.

Could it have been the alcohol involvement?

SWIM used too much kratom earlier today and had an episode (first in over a year actually) where his stomach went completely south. He's hoping it's just about over and things will go back to normal soon, he can't eat anything and doesn't even feel like his stomach is processing fluids properly. If it keeps up for more than another few hours, he's gonna have to go in somewhere or otherwise do something.

Edit -- whew, SWIM's stomach appears to be gradually improving. He still feels ill, just not quite as bad (& his stomach seems to be reluctantly processing fluids again, kinda scary having it go into hard lockup like that).

[bewilderment]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

Could it have been the alcohol involvement?

Well, as far as the lack of effects until much, much later, alcohol had no involvement. But, the being sick part, swim has no doubt that alcohol played a factor in the hangover but she's had WAY more to drink than she did that particular night before and never had anywhere near such an intense hangover. But, swim also notices that alcohol can increase the nausea related to kratom usage. She never gets nauseous with just the kratom by itself unless she has taken a very large dosage or if she is also drinking.

[snapper]

Nicaine, does SWIY you have a new batch of kratom, or is this a previously assayed product ? Perhaps there's something wrong with it.
SWIM has never had a reaction like that, even at high dose. Sometimes SWIM worries that some other plant material could get mixed into the crushed leaf material, but it could just be a weird reaction. How high was the dose ?

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by snapper

Nicaine, does SWIY you have a new batch of kratom, or is this a previously assayed product ? Perhaps there's something wrong with it.
SWIM has never had a reaction like that, even at high dose. Sometimes SWIM worries that some other plant material could get mixed into the crushed leaf material, but it could just be a weird reaction. How high was the dose ?

Good question... it's a new batch, but this has happened to SWIM before when he's (A) taken significantly too high a dose, and (B) isn't physically addicted. His dose was approximately twice as high as usual. He'll probably risk a normal dosage again with this batch, because if it's the actual substance the seller's ears will be gushing blood once SWIM gets done yelling at him (before you ask, it's normally a very stable/reliable source that SWIY has most likely used himself).