Health - do NOT stretch on dissociatives

[dip]

hope this is common sense for most people, but just as a reminder: NEVER stretch yourself while high on any dissociative, or 12 hours after the experience.*

doing so will cut off your blood circulation, resulting in shock. Which means: seizure-like activity, pain, heavy doses of opiates, and hospitalization.




*This doesn't include holding out your arms infront of yourself, zombie/robot-like walking/movements.

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[fnord]

As DXM is a dissociative anesthetic, it will make you less aware of the normal body senses, including muscle fatigue and pain. As a result you can easily over-exert or over-stretch yourself, especially if you are out dancing or engaging in other physical activity. Pay close attention to your body if you plan on moving a lot. -erowid dxm faq

this is all i can find and this says nothing about shock,i know a few people that are fond of doing yoga on dxm/K and have never had a bad experience.so i wonder where this info you have comes from,is it a real source or street talk?

[rxbandit]

Originally Posted by fnord

this is all i can find and this says nothing about shock,i know a few people that are fond of doing yoga on dxm/K and have never had a bad experience.so i wonder where this info you have comes from,is it a real source or street talk?

I don't think the over stretch part is literally talking about stretching either... I think its one of those phrases that means overdo the physical activity.

I guess swim will have to test this hypothesis and try some Ketamine yoga

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dont you mean S-ketamine?

[El Calico Loco]

If you literally mean stretching, then I have to disagree. Swim has often stretched whilst on the 3rd Plateau of DXM. He's always been careful not to overdo it, as he knows that he can't feel pain if he does. He's never died.

I can't speak to PCP or Ketamine, though.


ECL

[JKLJKLJKL]

SWIM has been on 1/3>1/2g of K and stretched and nothing happened, he just sunk lower into his k hole. He is still alive to tell the tale.

[dip]

swim will explain more clearly ... example: bringing your ankle up to your butt, holding it there for several seconds, cuts off the blood circulation. another example: trying to touch your toes. don't do it.

[geezaman]

SWIM still thinks this untrue... example SWIM just stood completely sober with his ankle up to his butt for 5 mins and circulation appears to be exactly the same as the un-stretched leg? As far as SWIM is aware the dissasosiative effect has little effect on blood and the circulatory system, other than reducing blood pressure silightly, SWIM does not believe this would be significant enough to cause harm through stretching though. Perhaps responding with a source or where this "knowladge" comes from rarther than examples would better aid SWIdips argument?

[Paracelsus]

swim will explain more clearly ... example: bringing your ankle up to your butt, holding it there for several seconds, cuts off the blood circulation. another example: trying to touch your toes. don't do it.

Ah, I see. You meant putting oneself into an unnaturally twisted position and not being fully aware of it due to dissociation. Sounds logical.

[El Calico Loco]

Given Paracelsus's explanation, I can see some danger in stretching. It would be the same as the danger in any sort of over-exertion on a dissociative - one can't feel the pain, so one doesn't know when to quit. But that's less serious than shock.

That said, Swim has often sat cross-legged for hours, meditating without moving, whilst on DXM. He doesn't seem any worse for wear. The Day After tended to feel good, as if he'd had an 8-hour low-intensity workout.

On the other hand, he's fairly flexible. Not quite a gymnast anymore, but not bad.


ECL

[Metomni]

SWIM is not so sure. SWIM greatly enjoys doing yoga on such substances. That is, when he has the ability to move and to know what stretching is.

[El Calico Loco]

He tells me it felt good. Though he's not exactly an athlete, he does exercise at times and tries to stay in some semblance of shape. The worked-out feeling probably comes from all the wandering around his apartment, contorting into strange positions (being careful not to overdo it), and pushing himself up off floors. It's amazing what his body can do on DXM.


ECL

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[rxbandit]

Ha that reminds swim of his DXM days... All he used to do was contort into strange positions on the couch on VERY high doses. The more he contorted himself the better it felt. swim remembers somersaults were quite interesting on DXM. Swim suffered no ill consequence from the strange positions he managed to stretch his limbs into.

[darkglobe]

A bit of not-so-intelligent input from moi...

Y'know that "pins n needles" type feeling you get sometimes when you sit on your leg or something similar? Well that feeling is (as far as I know) your body telling you "ouch get the fuck off you're stopping the blood flow".

SWIM regularly falls asleep at odd angles, (e.g. head resting on forearm, just below elbow) and wakes up a few minutes later with intense tingly feelings.

HOWEVER - SWIM once did this on DXM... but didn't know it! Until he woke up next morning, arm felt huge, really hurting, and whole arm including hand looked rather purple. SWIM can assure you this was not a delusion, either. Coz it REALLY fucking hurt.

I know if you stretch yourself or force your limbs into ridiculous positions (which apparently feels really really "right" on DXM at least) you probably wouldn't know it if you were cutting off anything.

Logical? I think not. But still - I sorta see what dip meant.

@Dip: Thanks for the further explanation, but next time please don't just come in and give us a one-liner without SOME sort of reference... or at least logical basing if you just dreamt it up (like I do!).

[ThirdEyeFloond]

Originally Posted by geezaman

SWIM personally tends to only get pins and needles feeling when he moves from a position that has stopped blood flow, so infact when things are already going back to normal, does anyone know exactly what the feeling of pins and needles is?

The technical term for the phenomena is neuropraxia I believe, meaning a temporary interuption of sending nerve signals and it isn't due to lack of, or reduction, of blood flow at all, but due to nerve compression.
SWIM has experienced this alot while sitting in half-lotus or lotus posture doing meditation, his legs would fall asleep and get the tingling sensation, his hands would sometimes do the same too.
He is not sure if short exposures to it is harmful because when the compression is released, then things are already going back to normal as you say, but could imagine it can cause permanent desensitization and damage to the nerves involved if exposed to it for long durations of time.
AFOM often frequents a zen monstary and when they have satsang, sort of marathon meditation sessions, they do sitting meditation for 45 minutes, then 10 mins (or is it 15? me forgets) of walking meditation, then 45mins sitting again and so forth. This is to avoid having a leg going completely numb and also for keeping everyone alert and present in the now.

SWIM used to do a lot of yoga postures while on ketamine, he actually became interested in yoga because of ketamine. He found himself doing weird movements and strange postures that all seemed to come from something deeper within him and realized at some point that he wasn't just merely going mad but that it was so-called kriyas as described in yogic litterature and were typical outbursts of an ungoing kundalini process.

Physiologically it makes sense that one would be able to stretch beyond ones boundaries when anaestesized and thereby injuring oneself. On the other hand yoga isn't about stretching harder and harder but about releasing or solving what is preventing one from stretching which often is caused by energy blockades due to unresolved emotional issues rather than physical limitations or can be both. (No, you may not see my reference :P) Dissociatives can have usefull effects on both the mental and physical aspects but could also be considered cheating on the path to enlightenment.

Also motorical skills and reaction time are notoriously bad while tripping on ketamine/DXM so it's relatively easy to get hurt and SWIM can sorta see the point of a warning against physical activity while on dissociatives if that was what OP was trying to say.

[VitaminK22]

I read on erowid that stretching while on ket releases trapped nerves and energy, thus giving a better out of body experience due to the lack of bodily sensations. The less you can feel your body, the further into the k-hole you will go. This dont mean stretch yourself so much that you wake up 10" taller, it means have a good long stretch before you start trippin and you will have an enhanced trip.

[alpine]

This is interesting... A bat out of hell told me he used to stretch every single time he took DXM. When he dexed he would get to thinking that he needed to be more healthy and maybe go to church. Then he would Shower, Shave, Stretch and do yoga. Just thought it was a funny coincidence... He would wake up in the morning afterglowing thinking to himself, "WTF was I doing last night."