Oral use - Falling asleep on mdma

[kiddie]

Last time swim had mdma was over a year ago. Swim has been waisting to much money on coke so thought he'd have a break and get some mdma.

Swim had a few drinks before but wasn't drunk, at 10pm he mixed 150mg into a hot coffie, and 30mins later swallowed 100mg.
Now this sounds silly but swim forgot what a comeup felt like. He was waiting, started to feel something, shut swim's eyes and was having really funny dreams. He was buzzing though but just felt like laying there?
Is that normall?
Swim felt the high lift and he's back awake again enjoyiing a few beers wondering where the past few hours have gone!
Has it happened to any1 else?

[johno.]

This happens to SWIM quite a bit. He thinks that smacking out on mdma is sometimes just as fun as charging

[kiddie]

yer thats a good way to decribe it?
Swim has been tired all week.

Swim's not saying it wasn't nice, because it was!
Just different to the massive energy rush he used to get

[Euphoric]

Sounds strange, can we get more info on the MDMA dreams?

[johno.]

Most times after having a big night and coming home to sleep, or if he gets a smacky pill, Swim will just lay there thinking the most random shit ever. Slipping in and out of sleep, thinking shit is going on when it isn't... he thinks it's pretty common, as his friends experience this also.

[Peppy]

swim often finds this with mdma only, it makes swim feel like shutting swims eyes but not sleeping, just monging out. swim often has to add a small amount of speed. swim often wonders if the mdma is not pure in this case.

250mg sounds like far too much, swim 'sleeps' on larger doses of 150mg which just mong swim out, keep the dose, say start on 120 mg with 30mg booster.

[jim1965]

SWIM also suffers from 'mong-out' on 120mg...mdma is from very reliable source and SWIM is gettting very frustrated as SWIM cannot get to the sparkley/high stage - brain seems to go straight from rush stage into overload and end up sleeeping it off after about 4 hrs - not exactly up all night/cant sleep response of other labmonkeys reports

SWIM has tried 80mg with similar effects - going for 60mg nxt time but the real pain is SWIM waits at least 1 month between doses so experimentation is long and drawn out - there are too many other factors like set/setting etc so SWIM beginning to contemplate giving up!

anyone care to share the actual active range of MDMA - shulgins book says 80-160? with 120mg optimum - SWIM wonders if SWIM is a bit more sensitive than most - next trial around christmas so will report if 'monging' continues

[paau]

when swim tries to sleep swim also gets pretty wierd dreams.
swim remembers one time at a festival having not slept for 48 hours swim was far too afraid to sleep because swim knew swim would have some sketchy dreams. which swim did when swim eventually tried to sleep.
swm blames this solely on bad state of mind.

[Peppy]

swim also gets weird dreams, although perhaps not sleeping just 'dozing', this is definately closed eye tripping for swim and is exactly the same after taking mushies. Its quite pleasurable but annoying after requiring sleep!

With regards to the monging out - swim has never had an mdma trip only without feeling this as swim has been taking mdma for 3+ years now. swim never got this on pills and assumes this was because of the speed content. so swim now finds that speed is essential to keep the eyes open on mdma. swims partner does not suffer with this problem and takes the same stuff. Could be a body issue?

[yaba]

Swim thinks that swiy got good pills. Swim didn't fell a sleep but did got tyred he called this mdma tiredness the pills where 100mg mdma 83%

[naatural]

they were probably good, but maybe your friend didn't reach his sweet spot?

when my friend(s) take just short of the right amount, they get very tired very easily

[Nose Dive]

Gods, My Bill has had some incredibly strange situations like that. He's glad somone else has felt like this. For my Bill it was like we was kind of asleep but awake with hallucinations. It's incredibly hard for him to describe.
He scared his friend half to death when he started talking about dragons and the best way one should ride them. I regret to say my Bill has also been found to fall asleep on a sofa stroking everyones hair that's near him but that usually involves alcohol as well.

My Bill is actually really suprised at how easily he can fall asleep on pills now.

[Drewby85]

swim defanetally agrees... saturday night, after a few strong, clean, kappa presses, swim fell asleep right after swims peak, and had dreams of going into the bathroom and realizing all swims soap, shampoo, etc.. was gone!! swim woke up as few hours later, completely convinced that when swim got into the shower, there would be no soap!! kinda weird... swim would just knock out for a couple hours, then wake up rollin balls wonderin why everyone else was asleep!! kinda like swim missed his roll... ehh... maybe not

[Gallisa]

SWIM just had this happen to him for the first few times this past month. It really weird. It will go into first person mode and seem like swim really do something. Then something seems weird and swim wakes up. Swim has gotten recently and the only thing he has done different is take 5-htp. But swim doesnt no.