GBL does not last very long?

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swim tried 1.5ml and within 1 hour 30 mins he was feeling nearly normal again. Swim had about 4.5-5ml over 5 hours and was never overly high. Swim felt the need to re-dose quite often like nearly every hour. Whats up with that? swim thought it was not safe to re-dose until +2h ?

[~lostgurl~]

The first dose (which is different for everybody) should be an amount that gets you feeling really fucking good. With the right initial dose it should last between 1.5 & 3 hours. Re-dosing usually occurs when you feel you are coming down, and it should be a smaller dose than the first one as it does build up in your system.

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ok swim is new to this GBL, but very experienced in other drugs. Swim fucked up on GBL once by not repecting it when on booze and learnt his lesson!
Is there a level of GBL per night thats considerd safe? And how long later is it before swims system is clear so he can eat a load of valium or have some vodka?
"G" Seems such a dodgy substance to play with! It seems to have bad effects with all swims favorite drugs ( But never the less swim likes it and will respecty it! Its almost as nice as a strong opiate high!

[~lostgurl~]

It certainly does need to be respected, many hard drug users pass out the first time they use it because they think their tolerance for all drugs is high.

There is no "nightly limit" everyone is different so it depends on what your dose is and how often you top up. But the longer you are on it the worse the dopamine rebound is, some people seem to be more prone to this than others though. It is an edgy withdrawal type feeling.

It leaves your system fairly quickly, I'm not sure of the exact time but I think it is about 6 hours for a urine test and 12 for a blood test. So it would be safe to take benzos or alcohol probably 18 hours after your last dose (extra caution should always be taken with multiple drug use) But remember some benzos have a very long half life, so you would need a gap of about a week between taking benzos and taking GBL (time would be dependent on which benzo was taken.)

If you have a read through the threads in the GHB section you will probably find answers to all your questions, take special note of Mr G's posts cause that guy knows what he is talking about.

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yeh swim reads alot on the forum! Swim got some G because he was taking too much Xanax & Valium and needed an evening chillout drug to replace them and booze.... He also notes that GHB is less toxic and addictive... He will make some of this when he gets some scales

[MrG]

Aww shucks, you're too kind lostgurl.

Bump, the dosing strategy that SWIY explains he tried is about right for GBL but, as already correctly said on this thread, the *exact* ideal is different for everybody and will also be affected by such factors as when the user last ate.

Personally SWIM prefers GHB because it is a whole lot easier to manage dose wise and there are not the side-effects that regular GBL use gives such as getting dry skin or general head fuzziness the next day.

But if SWIY insists on sticking with GBL for the time being he should be aware of the fact that carelessness or complacency in his dosing will catch him out and, due to the nature of the in-vivo conversion, it can be a lot harder hitting than getting it wrong with GHB.

The trick with both GBL and GHB dosing is like inflating a balloon on a hand pump, when you stop pumping the balloon will slowly go down, similar to the G wearing off.

If one were to take 1.5ml of GBL (say 75% inflated balloon) and then re-dose too soon with another 1.5ml then that could burst the balloon (hey it's my analogy and I'm running with it) and the user passes out.

By adding smaller increases to the balloon after 30 minutes following the initial 1.5ml dose (not bigger than 1ml) SWIY will find that he can get the balloon really fucking high, I mean inflated, without it popping.

It is best to be able to experiment with this substance at home where SWIY can chill out, that way he can simply sleep it off if he does happen to get it wrong.

On the rare occasions SWIM hasn't gotten around to making his latest batch of GHB and he resorts to using GBL for a couple of night, he can still get caught out with it.

Here is a big tip - at the point where SWIY can say "whoa, I am really fucking high" - that's the point he should stop. Any more taken at that time will simpy make him fall asleep.

As for how it works with other drugs, well it can work brilliantly to enhance and round out stimulant drugs but it should never be taken with CNS supressant drugs like alcohol or benzo's (although I gather SWIY has already learnt that particular lesson, tut tut[wags finger at SWIY]).

Best advice, drop the valiums and booze, tell SWIY to convert his GBL to GHB and use that as a healthy (yes I said healthy) alternative way to chill out during the evening.

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swim agrees. Alot of swims friends mix it with booze, and made for a very messy end to their night. Swim did this once too but now opts for one or the other. Swim knows alcohol potentiates the effects etc and the whole CNS depressant thing. But even though swim will never do it, what to benzo and G effect do? Just knock u out too?

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swim will do a conversion when he gets some scales in a couple of weeks

[dmax]

Subjectively, GBL is much more spikey (shorter onset, shorter experience, higher peak) than GHB. I find this curve much less pleasurable than a GHB experience. Conversion is trivial with a scale. You can ask erowid, if you wish. I believe this has something to do with the gbl crossing the blood-brain barrier more easily than ghb, but I'm not a biologist.

[MrG]

Originally Posted by BumpBump

But even though swim will never do it, what to benzo and G effect do? Just knock u out too?

It can kill you. Simple as.

Taking G with *any* cns suppressant such as alcohol or benzo's can kill you.

It's not just about things getting "messy" it is about the user either vomiting whilst unconscious and drowning or, quite simply, supressing their CNS to the extent that they simply stop breathing.

That's what fucks me off when I hear some users say "oh well I enjoy having some G with just a *little* bit of wine" or something. Because that breeds complacency and then one day, when they have staggered in late from the bar or club having drunk too much, they get the idea that maybe they might enjoy having a little G nightcap.

Then they wind up becoming a statistic.

Don't get me wrong, G with stimulant drugs can be wonderful, in fact SWIM was lucky enough to find that switching from coke and alcohol (which combine to create a toxic substance in the body called cocaethylene) to coke and G completely removed the fiending and building addiction to the point that he really can take or leave the yayo now.

But even then the user needs to be aware that too much of anything will still smack 'em down hard and so we find ourselves on a forum such as this so that we can educate our lab monkeys and have fun as safely as possible while exploring the chemical world around us.

Here endeth the lesson.

RAmen.