Dose - 5-MeO-MiPT HCL vs. Fumarate

[realitybias]

I am new to the whole RC scene, but a friend of a friend of a friend who I may or may not know has obtained a RC supplier that sells Moxy HCL and Moxy Fumarate. SWIM is wondering what the differences were, and what affect it will have on dosing.

[trptamene]

Fumarate salts are usually made to keep the compound more stable. In particular, 4-ho-substituted tryptamines are notoriously unstable and the fumarate salt is used on these to increase the shelf life.

As far as for moxy, I really don't see the need. It is a benzene-ring substituted tryptamine like the 4-ho's, but have read litttle in the way of degredation as long as one follows a few procedures like minimizing air, light and water.

In addition, the fumarate weights more than the HCl, so the dose would have to be increased for the fumarate relative to the HCl in order for the same effects to be had.

There should be no difference in the qualitative aspects of the trip though as long as the dosing is the same (molecule for molecule...not weight for weight), it is the same compound and the fumarate will be displaced by an HCl in the acidic stomach.

[nanobrain]

anecdotal reports indicate the the fumarates prolong the onset of effects when gauged vs their HCL counterparts.

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	Thanks for the info.