Being in a club when it's raided...

[Lettish]

My friend would like some info on the below scenario, if it would happen.

He heard a rumour that his usual nightclub has recently been under investigation, and that there are a few undercover cops placed there. He also heard that it had been raided a few times. My friend informs me that this club is a drug farm and most people are off their face.

My friend says to prevent complications and not get busted, he will never carry anything on him, just in case he is searched. But say, for argument's sake, he had dropped a few pills and was rolling, and then the club was raided, what could the cops do? If they found nothing on him but suspected he had consumed drugs, could they take him away and test him?

My friend apologises if this is the wrong forum, he thinks it is E-related.

[pankreeas]

Ok first off arguments sake here will get you just that. Especially when you give nothing to cross reference upon. Let's start with the country, the laws, etc... i'm sure there would be different outcomes each & every time if the exact scenario you mentioned happened in different cities, countries, etc... then secondly, what if said E pills are tested and contain meth or something else.. and so forth.

Wait it out and keep your mouth shut to everyone..and it wouldn't hurt to source a good lawyer.. they know how to work just about any legal system

[meep]

Swim wouldn't worry about it depending on the size of the club. If swif is talking a london super club type thing you've really nothing to worry about, everyone is buzzing and most people with half a brain are bringing their own in anyway.

If swif is talking a dodgy little rave in a disused warehouse somewhere just dont be dealing. As swimpank (welcome back btw) said, wait it out and keep you mouth shut, the police are there to close it down or keep an eye on it, not arrest people (normally) If you are a good little raver, your prolly not worth the paper work.

Hope that helps - let us know a bit more detail though and you may find swimmers with a bit more legal background could help.

[Lettish]

My friend tells me it's only a small club, maximum capacity about 300 people. He never carries stuff on him, so that's no problem. It's just if the place was raided and he was under the influence.

[Kolon]

In the UK Police drugs tests are normally restricted to people suspected to be unfit to drive whilst under the influence. These tests are still not used as evidence in court. As long as SWIY is not carrying, buying, dealing or driving then he/she should have nothing to worry about.

He/she should just co-operate with whats going on keep his/her mouth shut and not be a nuisance.

[Lettish]

My friend says that's good enough for him, he passes on his thanks, Kolon.

[Whit]

In the UK the law is ACTUALLY on the users side in this trype of scenario.

As has been said testing is usually only to prove someone is unfit to carry out a responsible task, i.e driving.

If a substance has been ingested, it is no longer in your possesion. This means that an ingested pill, is no longer in your possesion, just like the case would be with a glass of whiskey or w/e.

[geezaman]

SWIM knows in the stoke on trent area of the UK where there (unfortunatly) has been a recent crack down on drugs police tested everone trying to get into clubs in the main town... this was not a constant measure just a few weeks.. but the test they used gave a quick read out (under 10 mins) could test for most drugs, and was simply a piece of paper/tissue the public were asked to rub between their hands for a short while that was then fed into a machine.
although unlikly they would bother to test all 300 clubbers after a raid in SWIYs situ, this method could easily be taken to such a place to test people who seemed to be more obviously on drugs.

[Whit]

Can you be sure the police were out "cracking" down in the sense that they were arresting posotive tests?

I'm think that having a substance in your system doesn't always mean you are breaking the law....

[geezaman]

SWIY is right there, he cannot be sure that all positive tests resulted in arrests but at the same point dose not see why they would test if they were not going to arrest.

[Whit]

Originally Posted by geezaman

SWIY is right there, he cannot be sure that all positive tests resulted in arrests but at the same point dose not see why they would test if they were not going to arrest.

Statistics and an awareness campaign on just how life breaking club drugs are! LOL

Hehe

[Kolon]

Originally Posted by geezaman

SWIM knows in the stoke on trent area of the UK where there (unfortunatly) has been a recent crack down on drugs police tested everone trying to get into clubs in the main town... this was not a constant measure just a few weeks.. but the test they used gave a quick read out (under 10 mins) could test for most drugs, and was simply a piece of paper/tissue the public were asked to rub between their hands for a short while that was then fed into a machine.
although unlikly they would bother to test all 300 clubbers after a raid in SWIYs situ, this method could easily be taken to such a place to test people who seemed to be more obviously on drugs.

This certainly happens but the tests only show that a drug has been ingested not the ammount or the time. The Police can not make an arrest based on this information alone, what they can do is follow this on with a body search and if a product is in possession an arrest can then be made.

An arrest can only be made if someone is under the influence and causing a nuisance or driving. Or there is other evidence that they are in personal possession or possession with intent to supply or attempting to do one of those.

[geezaman]

thanks SWIkolon that info is very interesting and usefull, can SWIM ask if SWIY is certain of what they say, as alot may rest on such knowladge.

[rocksmokinmachine]

SWIY can't get arrested just for having drugs in thier system, though it would probably warrant reasonable grounds for search under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 if they saw SWIY looking slightly under the influence. So make sure SWIY has nothing else illegal on him.

SWIY shouldn't worry about it, as long as there is nothing in his pockets when the raid goes down there shouldn't be a problem.

[Lettish]

If the cops ask my friend if he has taken anything, should he answer yes or lie no?

[Whit]

No one can help your friend with that decision!

It's all very circumstantial, deciding on whether to admit to something like that.

As you now know from the infromation given in this thread, it's prety likely if you admit or look under the influence your going to get searched.... Like getting searched? Say yes.....

I'd stick to just blagging it off as having a few drinks and maybe a smoke or two.

If it ever comes down to someones well being in a situation, I.E. someone gets into problems with health etc through drugs, make sure you DO NOT hide whats been going on.

Parameds are there to save your life, if they know what's gone in, you could help them save someones life, and in the my area of the UK, the police have an agreement to not bother with people admitted to hostpital, with issues relating to substance use.

[rocksmokinmachine]

SWIM would always reply no, even if he was clearly under the influence...

Just out of instinct. SWIM does not trust British police at all.

[Whit]

Originally Posted by rocksmokinmachine

SWIM does not trust British police at all.

Wise man, over 18 years here I don't myself!

[rocksmokinmachine]

SWIM's spent 23 years there and only found one, decent officer. Hes actually been assualted on 2 occasions by police. SWIM and the unamed did participate in some mushrooms together on several occasions, which was fun! And different..

[Kolon]

Originally Posted by geezaman

thanks SWIkolon that info is very interesting and usefull, can SWIM ask if SWIY is certain of what they say, as alot may rest on such knowladge.

100% positive my friend!

[KBLSD]

i dont no about england but in the usa swim got a MIP(minor in possession) of alcohol buy consumption , which means he was drunk, he wasnt driving either, swim doesnt know if its the same way with drugs but if the cops can tell ur fucked up they might give you a consumption charge but it i dont really know, if they asked you if you are on something say no!!! because they cant prove it thats where swim went wrong he told the cops he was drunk they didnt even use the breathalyser, so if you are fucked up tell them ur not and they cant do shit unless ur driving

[Kolon]

Originally Posted by Hydroxy

If the cops ask my friend if he has taken anything, should he answer yes or lie no?

Just say no!

Be friendly and quiet, as long as SWIY has nothing on them and they can not be linked to possession/possession with intent (CCTV cameras) or are causing a nusaince then they will be okay if it all comes on top.

[rocksmokinmachine]

The police in the UK only have the power to seize alcohol from minors. There are never any charges. One would have to be very abusive constantly using very foul language to get arrested for a drink related offence in England. Even though the binge drinking culture is massive.

Also drunk and incapable, but you would REALLY have to try the officers patience.

[KBLSD]

Originally Posted by rocksmokinmachine

The police in the UK only have the power to seize alcohol from minors. There are never any charges. One would have to be very abusive constantly using very foul language to get arrested for a drink related offence in England. Even though the binge drinking culture is massive.

Also drunk and incapable, but you would REALLY have to try the officers patience.

yeah but ur drinking age is 18 are is 21

[rocksmokinmachine]

I don't see how that makes any difference, the discussion was about the tolerance/lieniency of officers and thier attitudes towards alcohol.