ratio of injecting to consuming orally/intranasal

[hgwell]

Swim was wondering what the ratio for injecting to orally consuming pills would be. Say Swim would take 60 mg Oc orally, or intranaslly, how much would he have to inject to be safe and achieve the same high. The goal is to try and stretch out his supply as long as possible.

In general what is a good rule of thumb when injecting? would it be along the lines of using half of what i usually consumed or even less then that?

Swim is just looking for a good way to determine how much to start shooting. He knows to start low and work his way up, but would like to have a better idea as to what to start with.

Thanks, and if this has been previously addressed sorry, i alrdy read the thread about injecting.

[jerbles]

The goal is to try and stretch out his supply as long as possible.

well first off, thinking like that will get you hooked on IV. That's exactly why swij started IVing, and once he tried it, there was no other way..

But I would say swiy should IV about 30-40mg to be safe. This will get swim flying.

What brand are the pills, by the way? Some are not suitable for IV (impossible), like the TEVAs which turn into gel. Brand name OxyContins are the best for IV.

[Psych0naut]

Your health is more important than a high. I strongly reccommend not too start shooting up just because it's more economical. Shooting pills is already very risky to say the least, but shooting time release tablets like OxyContin is even more dangerous, due to the time release wax. Please don't go there if you don't have to. Look up on potentiation in this forum, it could help SWIY use his oxycodone more economically as well, without the dangers of injecting.

[naturally5odonme]

I agree with Psych0
Swim has been Doin Oxy For a fair amount of time.
But really how far does swiy have to go to get high
its really not worth it
really
In 25 years
swiy will be like why
Swim is 18
and has been doin opiates for a very long time
since swim was in 6th grade.
the dctor told swim that he will probley die young cuz of his descions
please
Swiy needs to just snort or chew them
If swiy is really looking to save money
just stop
its not worth it.
respect though
peace and love
and good times.
hope all goes well for any of swiy descions.
life is crazy
live it
sorry if i just wasted your time

[jerbles]

sorry, but generally, these types of posts warning the user not to do whatever he's asking and "pleading" with him are kind of ratarted.... IMO of course, but I mean wtf? hgwell asked a question about the ratio of injection to insuflation (which I don't know any exact numbers, like 5:1, but it's probably something like that). I'm sure he has heard PLENTY of times how bad it is, that he should NOT do it and that he "will surely die" (how fucking cliche) from doctors and loved ones.

I mean, I respect you guys for caring enough about a person to warn them, but your posts really have nothing to do with the topic. I too gave him a short warning, but I also tried to help him with his question a little. I don't know what kind of person hgwell is, but if he's even 1% like swij, he's not gonna read two posts from random people on the INTERNET, and change his mind.

Swij has been IVing since he was 15 (8 long miserable years) and knows firsthand how horrible injecting heroin is (or in this case, OC which swij has never IVed due to it being a PILL), but PLEASE people. Realize that, while you are being a kind human being, your posts are really just stating the obvious and well known facts.

[naturally5odonme]

hahaha Oh sorry
are you my filter.
no
i said what i wanted.
so
why you got to critisize(sp) it
just let it go.
if he doesnt like it he doesnt like it.
you dont have to speak for him

[Psych0naut]

For harm reductions sake, I said what I said jerbles and anyone should. I didn't just say injecting pills is bad, don't do it, I gave a good reason why not, and what could be done to get more effect out of opioids without having to go for the final resort, injecting. But people have the right on proper information, so that's what SWIM will give. If SWIY plans on injecting them, please use a wheel filter, this will filter out 99% of the medium to large particles, and at least make it a lot less dangerous. If one plans on injecting morphine tablets, than take a look in the morphine section of the Opioid forum, there SWIY will find an excellent thread about getting pure morphine out of morphine pills.

The ration of injecting to orally/intranasal depends on the different bioavailabillities of the substance in question, IV administration always has a 100% bioavailabillity for every drug. The oral bioavailability for oxycodone is 60-87%. This means that if one would inject 10mg of oxycodone IV, 10mg will reach the brain. If one takes 10mg orally, 6-8,7mg will reach the brain. This way one can roughly calculate the ratios, for opiate bioavailabilities, see this thread. Please be carefull, and don't make the wrong decision, and go for the last resort.

[hgwell]

thanks for all the info, and i was jus kinda speculating about shooting, i dont think its worth all the trouble though. Im just gonna stick with oral and nasal.

[hgwell]

thanks for all the info, and i was jus kinda speculating about shooting, i dont think its worth all the trouble though. Im just gonna stick with oral and nasal.

[fnord]

Originally Posted by hgwell

thanks for all the info, and i was jus kinda speculating about shooting, i dont think its worth all the trouble though. Im just gonna stick with oral and nasal.

good choice! while iv drug use can be very fun it is also a hard lifestyle/hobby to live with.

[jerbles]

I wasn't trying to be a dick, I'm just saying. I mean, I hate to see someone contemplate IV use as much as the next guy, and I wasn't saying your posts were stupid (they were actually good posts), they just didn't have anything to do with the question.

And who the fuck said I was speaking for him, my post had nothing to do with him, I just get tired of people's questions going unanswered, as it seems to happen a lot. I'm not trying to dis (generally not a word I would use) anybody, just giving my 2 cents.

(I know this post also is totally off-topic and has nothing to do with the question, so don't throw that in my face )