Will taking Hydrocodone instead of morphine prevent withdraws?

[beentheredonethatagain]

Nik is on 6omg morphine sulfate x 2 daily, He would like to get off of the shit and is wondering if switching to hydrocodone would he go thru a withdraw or if he take enough hydro. would he circumvent them? I am sure that this is addressed in the forum , but havent found it.

[jerbles]

damn, why would swiy want to give up morphine?

But yeah, hydros should help quite a bit. Norcos are the best, I would say, as they have more hydro and less apap than vicodin and others. (10/300 I think) Swij would probably pop about 4-6 norcos to feel good, if he had a 120mg daily morphine habit.

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[beentheredonethatagain]

thank you

[megafreakindeth]

in reality land, both chemicals bond to the same receptors or same type of receptor if not exactly the same. using one chemical to ward off the effects of another isnt fixing the problem. doctors who do this are basing their reccomendation on the fact that (hopefully) youre not abusing the substance, if youre abusing the substance and thus depenant on some level you will be drawing out that dependancy.
ive seen people do this with oxy, morp, and fent, to try and stave off the widthdrawl but all it does it prolong the problem but the brain doesnt realize it. if youre intent is to quit something like morph then help from a friend or NA type thing is the surest way.

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[merc11292]

if swiy wants quit temporarily or for good then that sounds like a good idea itd be easier to taper down with hydrocodone than with morphine in swim's opinion.

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[jerbles]

yeah, it definitely won't cure swiy, but will help with withdrawals. Also, hydrocodone withdrawals are much more mild than morph wds, so even if swiy does replaced one addiction with another, the wds should be more tolerable, at least.

Actually, a lot of people would probably disagree, but methadone might help a lot. Swij goes through horrid withdrawals from lack of H, and a few days ago took 40mg of methadone and the withdrawals haven't come back. Swij has used since then, of course, but when the effects wear off he only experiences very mild symptoms. I don't know how that happened, and I'm not saying it cured swij's withdrawals (the methadone's probably just been in his system since them), but it definitely helped swij, and he has no cravings for the methadone. Heroin's a different story, of course.

[beentheredonethatagain]

the reason Beenie is wanting to do away with the morphine, is it just zapps too much energy , today I slept all day , I have to be more responsible and able to think clear. to be physically tied to them pills every day unable to skip days or skip doses is not the nicest place to be . I want free

[jerbles]

swiy might just find that he misses it once it's gone though...

I'm definitely not discouraging swiys attempts to get clean or taper down, but swij would love to have suck easily accessable morph on hand.

I totally understand about the whole energy thing, but of course, withdrawals will leave swiy with much less energy than the morph (and forget about sleeping), so hydrocodone would be a safe bet. Tramadol might actually work better for swiy, as it is usually very cheap and withdrawals should be kept at bay with as little as 300-400mg. (1cent per mg, maybe)

[Ethyl]

Originally Posted by jerbles

Actually, a lot of people would probably disagree, but methadone might help a lot. Swij goes through horrid withdrawals from lack of H, and a few days ago took 40mg of methadone and the withdrawals haven't come back. Swij has used since then, of course, but when the effects wear off he only experiences very mild symptoms. I don't know how that happened, and I'm not saying it cured swij's withdrawals (the methadone's probably just been in his system since them), but it definitely helped swij, and he has no cravings for the methadone. Heroin's a different story, of course.

Single use of low dose of methadone while withdrawing is a godsend, it will reduce withdrawal bigtime as it will be a gradual knockoff from the receptors cause of methadone big half-life.

I use methadone to quit junk.. I use this way.

1º day: (low dose methadone)
2º day: (low dose methadone) / 3
3º day: (low dose methadone) / 6
4º day: stop taking

[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by Ethyl

Single use of low dose of methadone while withdrawing is a godsend, it will reduce withdrawal bigtime as it will be a gradual knockoff from the receptors cause of methadone big half-life.

I use methadone to quit junk.. I use this way.

1º day: (low dose methadone)
2º day: (low dose methadone) / 3
3º day: (low dose methadone) / 6
4º day: stop taking

so this method wont have NIK (no one I know) addicted to methadone?

[merc11292]

if the energy thing is the main concern then switching to oxycodone or hydrocodone would help, i believe their both partially made from thebaine so they have some stimulatory effects.

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[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by merc11292

if the energy thing is the main concern then switching to oxycodone or hydrocodone would help, i believe their both partially made from thebaine so they have some stimulatory effects.

the hydrocodone did make him feel energetic, I was always wondering why . Thanks That is a good thing to know, I am going now to research thebaine.

[jerbles]

tramadol's probably the best for preventing non heroin withdrawals (morphine/hydrocodone etc.) It actually helps swij alot with his H withdrawals, but not near as much as methadone or any other "real" opiates.

[Dickon]

In a word, No.

[jon-q]

Originally Posted by Dickon

In a word, No.

Would swiDickon care to expand on this statement a little!
120mg morphine sulphate would roughly be equal to~200-225mg of hydrocodone for analgesic effects.
Unfortunatly extremly high doses of tramadol would be required to equal that of 120mg morphine sulphate (1200mg~400mg is the "safe maximum dose")
If swiy is simply trying to alleviate "some" of the withdrawl symptoms then hydrocodone can aide the worst of said symptoms,Just be carefull of the apap content,withdrawl symptoms should level out after 1-3days then swiy can reduce the hydrocodone over 7-10 days.
SwiyEthyls advise is also worthy of further investigation!

[Dickon]

OK. That was my shortest post so far. You should see the usual stuff I write! lol. Let me explain what I mean.

No: If you were taking 120mg morphine you could switch to an equianalgesic dose of hydrocodone and experience no withdrawals whatsoever.

No: You can't circumvent withdrawals by switching opiates. The piper must be paid.

If you feel you have a serious addiction to opiates I'd recommend clonidine (there are loads of threads in the addiction and recovery>opiate addiction section that will help if you have a serious problem) , otherwise a very brief taper (something like 120mg, 100mg, 80mg, 60mg, 40mg, 20mg, 10mg , 0) or just jump!

At 120mg / day I'd guess you've built up at least some tolerance, but tolerance can be built up without dependence.

I hope that's a little clearer than the perfunctory "no". Best of luck, I really mean it. My own w.d. (from nothing self-incriminating. lol!!) is documented on "screaming in the night air..." in the a & r > opiate addiction section mentioned above, but you'll be begging for monosylabic Dickon if you read it, and I did have a serious addiction, so if you're only in the novitiate phase my methods will probably represent serious overkill.

Don't hesitate to ask if I can be of any help. My mission on here is to help people get off opiates, especially ME (my Elephant), and have some fun doing it!

Love

Dickon

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[BumpBump]

swim has come of h loads of times with dihydracodeine and even codeine