What to do when others drug users intelligence is truely depressing?

[sweetsugar]

with some people, no matter how much advise given or how much they maybe aware of dangers, they may/will/need to find out for themselves, learning from their own actions/experiences ~ then comes reason, understanding - love

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nice4 the sweet sug

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim has pointed some less than intelligent drug users to DF save them from killing themselves, yet they deny everyone here actually knows anything, and says they are all full of shit since it is "The Internet".

[Focus]

Originally Posted by fiveleggedrat

Swim has pointed some less than intelligent drug users to DF save them from killing themselves, yet they deny everyone here actually knows anything, and says they are all full of shit since it is "The Internet".

That's really very sad - this site is the best my cat has seen: members' pets are noticeably non-judgmental and supportive.

This is a problem which extends far beyond drug usage - even normally intelligent animals will ignore your domesticated companion, scorn what they say, even break up friendships over sensible advice given with the best of intentions - if that advice happens to be totally contrary to what they actually want to do.

The difficulty for cats is making sure that the advice is given in as objective and non-critical a way as possible. Then stand back and hope that if they don't take the advice immediately, they'll take it on board and use it before things get too bad.

[lostmente]

apparent lack of intelligence is annoying, you have to deal with it regardless of where it comes from but:

those who are unaware
-through mis-information / mis-perception
-through lack of experiences

those who do not care
-people out to cause harm
-people who think harm is inevitable

not matter what the case though, when it comes to drugs being a vice, people will do anything to deny this...even admit to it being a vice but say it doesn't matter but usually pretend that they need it to get passed something, its not a requirement but it does have potential to help.

[Felix Guattari]

What never ceases to amaze me is the rare (or so I like to believe) breed of individual who believes every scare-story they hear about 'drugs'... but still consumes them in unheard-of quantities in marathon binges.

If SWiM believed that LSD burned holes in the cerebrum and instilled in the user an uncontrollable urge to throw themselves from 20-story buildings, and that pot turned one into an immobile, subhuman vegetable, a la Stoners in the Mist, he would never have touched either substance for all the money in the world.

[tryptamaster]

the worst was when someone asked swim if vicodin was a hallucinogen.... tis guy was a senior in high school and had been in the drug scene for years...

[Junket]

Originally Posted by tryptamaster

the worst was when someone asked swim if vicodin was a hallucinogen.... tis guy was a senior in high school and had been in the drug scene for years...

thats just fucking wrong.

I HATE it when some kid is like "ya I took a half eighth of shrooms and I was in another land, there was like explosions of colors and armys of unicorns having sex with hundreds of beautiful women and i was riding a cloud"

[Junket]

Its very annoying when my friends will pop an e pill and not have any idea whats actually happening within their body and brain..

They just pop em cause they "get really high dude"

Knowledge is power!! /cheesy

[MrG]

Likewise it is equally as depressing when crowds of people gather in a room to collectively ingest copious amounts of ethanol molecules in order to experience the psychoactive properties, yet are unable to accept the fact there are better molecules and better molecules for you.

"But it's just a few beers and a couple of shots of whiskey on a Friday and maybe a couple of bottles of wine on a Saturday night, not like those scumbag druggie types who are putting all sorts of chemicals into their body to get high."

Ethanol can, when taken excessively (after all it needs to be taken excessively in order to really feel the effects), put a terrible strain on the human physiology and yet these consumers simply laugh and call for the "hair of the dog" in order to recover from the debilitating headaches and nausea that a night of "over-doing it" has visited upon their ravaged brain, stomach and liver.

They are unable to see that, were the ethanol to be removed from all of the drinks they consumed over the weekend, they would be highly unlikely to actually want to swallow any of the odd-tasting liquids. Anybody who has ever tried alchohol-free lager will attest to that, never mind the concept of alchohol-free wine or, worse still, whisky!

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[KomodoMK]

Originally Posted by MrG

Likewise it is equally as depressing when crowds of people gather in a room to collectively ingest copious amounts of ethanol molecules in order to experience the psychoactive properties, yet are unable to accept the fact there are better molecules and better molecules for you.

"But it's just a few beers and a couple of shots of whiskey on a Friday and maybe a couple of bottles of wine on a Saturday night, not like those scumbag druggie types who are putting all sorts of chemicals into their body to get high."

Very good perspective on the matter. Never seen it expressed in a way as good as that. When ever I have this discussion with others in the future I will use that post as a reference.

[El Calico Loco]

Originally Posted by MrG

Anybody who has ever tried alchohol-free lager will attest to that, never mind the concept of alchohol-free wine or, worse still, whisky!

Wh...

They make alcohol-free whiskey? Swim loves his bourbon, but there's no way in hell he'd drink it if not for the poison inside. Alcohol-free bourbon would be akin to blasphemy.

And would alcohol-free wine just be...grape juice?


ECL

[Mammon]

I think that the best thing is to give them stuff you know from your own experience and then just let them work it out for themselves.

It's never worth trying to command someone to stop or do it differently. If it's your friends sometimes it's painful to watch, but then when I was a drinking man I used to hate people "talking down" to me.

Mostly people need to hit some kind of nadir before the wisdom comes to them.

In my opinion, anyway.

[cuddlesthefox]

Hands up here, a very embarassing admission. Swim is one of those people that no matter how much you try and help him, he'll end up doing the daftest thing possible, then will do it again because the first time mustve been a fluke.
Swim has got this far thru trial and error and luckily in his old age, swim finally is taking heed of basic safety techniques that may seem boring but actually do save lives when using drugs.
S, to sum up, you can only ever do your best. If someone has their minds set on injecting aftershave into their eyeball, then there is little you can do on a forum bar telling them your best advice.

[elpatto]

Get high!!.

Sorry man had to say something stupid. SWIM sees where SWIY are coming from, but in SWIM's oppinion, it's much better to deal with uninformed, irresponsible users then the few users that overestimate their knowledge of drugs and wouldn't accept to many other opinions.

It sounds harsh, but adapt or die. Eventually most people develop enough common sense, or atleast experience to actualy be a constant user and not die. Also there is different "Rules" or customs in almost every social click. Like for example, These hippies SWIM smoked with each had 2 bongs before they passed. In certain circles, it's disrespectful to not finish a bowl, no matter how big or how blocked, or to not finish a bowl and pass on if you cant drag any more smoke back.

At some stage these type of users tend to move out of that phase, which is good because SWIY should never have to babysit people poisoning themselves out of stupidity.

Hope any of that helps.
Peace and safety

[doggy_hat]

Sometimes SWIM feels like the main reason he does drugs is because he can't deal with how stupid his friend's are in a unclouded conciousness.

"lol, dude I don't know what you mean but I just wanna get fucked up."
If only I had a penny for everytime I've heard that.

[Junket]

Originally Posted by doggy_hat

"lol, dude I don't know what you mean but I just wanna get fucked up."
If only I had a penny for everytime I've heard that.

haha exactly..

"alright man, it doesn't really matter, lets just pop em"

thats how swim used to be, and it was great, he had some amazing times just being dumb and not giving a fuck.

but now a days he tries to be more reasonable..

[Mammon]

Refers to ketamine as "horse tranquilisers".

Man, the amount of times SWIM hears this shit. One guy he knows feels compelled to say "horse tranquiliser!" pretty much every fucking time someone says "ketamine", like as if he's breaking the news to them. He'll sit there slamming back bullshit charlie, cut with God knows what, while ranting on about how he "never touches that shit anymore!" about K fresh off the pan.

He drives SWIM round the bloody bend.