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Swim has some hesitation about asking this, he doesn't want people bringing on ideas, but swim grew too curious about it. Swim was wondered how poisonous isopropyl alcohol is. Swim isn't going to drink it and nobody should think about it. This is not meant as advice. It is purely theoretical interest. He doesn't like alcohol alike drugs, but he only read it is twice as poisonious as ethanol. That doesn't sounds too treating. And it is converted by the liver to acetone. He understood acetone can do quite a lot damage in the long term, but so does alcohol.
Can swim theoretically drink this safely? Swim knows the answer should be no, but he can't discover why. He has not the intention to drink it, nobody should. |
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Re: Isopropyl alcohol
If I remember correctly (not in the mood to check my references now), many of the simple monohydroxylic alkyl alcohols have ethanol-like effects, but all are more toxic than ethanol.
I suspect that the danger lies in the toxicity of the breakdown products (methanol >> formaldehyde; ethanol >> acetaldehyde; isopropanol >> acetone, 1-propanol >> propionaldehyde; etc.). I'm pretty sure that acetone is much more toxic than ethanol. Acetaldehyde is not too toxic, but still partly responsible for the damage caused by alcohol abuse. Last edited by Paracelsus; 05-11-2007 at 23:11. |
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Re: Isopropyl alcohol
Swim found this on emedicine.com. It seems more people figured out isopropyl alcohol is less toxic than methanol. It is the second most ingested alcohol it seems. On interesting thing swim found is the following:
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Re: Isopropyl alcohol
The overall impression is that isopropanol is more potent and much more toxic than ethanol.
Some translations for readers which may start to think that isopropanol isn't that bad: * hematemesis = puking blood * hepatic dysfunction = liver failure * myoglobinuria = indicates rhabdomyolysis (destruction of muscle tissue followed by kidney failure) * acute tubular necrosis = indicates kidney failure; dead tissue gets into urine Not quite fun. |
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Re: Isopropyl alcohol
sounds to swim like swiy is in a state of serious denial or rationalization about the repercussions of ingesting Isopropyl Alcohol. Swiy could just save himself the trouble and go do some shots of nail polish remover. Any way though, the exact effect that this substance has on the human body at a cellular level and how it does it's damage is beyond swim's knowledge. Just take it at face value that isopropyl alcohol will damage your liver and kidneys on it's first pass through the metabolism and then after going through the liver the acetone it's metabolized to gets to go to work on your body. Tell you what, go stick your hand in a bucket full of rubbing alcohol mixed with nail polish remover, then pull your hand out and let it dry. Your skin is going to be all ashy, dry and cracked well that's what drinking isopropyl is basically doing to you internally.
For lack of a clear scientific explanation why not to drink that shit, let's use common sense, and look at it this way. THEY DO NOT SERVE IT IN BARS! It is not an ingredient in any alcoholic drinks, period. How many people have you seen besides winos that sit down and crack open an ice cold bottle of rubbing alcohol, none. Some things are just poisonous to humans, now it would be great if we could just run around eating and drinking whatever we wanted to see what kind of head change it gives us, but after several thousand years of running around learning not to do that shit the hard way, we have evolved to the point of being able to label poisons as poison and food as food and so on. Any way, point is, someone took the time to study isopropyl alcohols effects on the human organism, which are not good regardless of rationalizations and so we don't consume it. Now if swiy is trying to find out why it's toxic for the purposes of pure knowledge, you could probably ask a doctor or even call the poison control center and find out exactly how it kills you. |
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Re: Isopropyl alcohol
In case you didn't notice, the purpose of this thread was discussion of scientific information about the mechanisms of isopropanol toxicity. There's no need for scaremongering and exaggerations.
Don't hijack this thread, it's against the rules. |
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Re: Isopropyl alcohol
oh sorry, thought SWIY was just looking for reason not to drink iPrOH.
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Re: Isopropyl alcohol
Background
Alcoholic ketoacidosis (AKA) is an acute metabolic acidosis that typically occurs in people who chronically abuse alcohol and have a recent history of binge drinking, little or no food intake, and persistent vomiting. AKA is characterized by elevated serum ketone levels and a high anion gap. A concomitant metabolic alkalosis is common, secondary to vomiting and volume depletion. Although AKA most commonly occurs in adults with alcoholism, AKA has been reported in less-experienced drinkers of all ages. Pathophysiology AKA is a result of starvation with glycogen depletion and counter-regulatory hormone production, a raised nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NADH) to nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD+) ratio related to the metabolism of ethanol, and volume depletion, resulting in ketogenesis. When the dietary intake of carbohydrates is insufficient to supply glucose for the body's needs and hepatic glycogen stores are depleted by fasting, ketones are produced in the liver as an alternative source of energy. Two steps are required for ketogenesis: (1) enhanced lipolysis with an increased delivery of free fatty acids to the liver and (2) an alteration in hepatic metabolism by which these free fatty acids are converted preferentially into ketones instead of into triglycerides. Decreased insulin activity, increased counter-regulatory hormone levels (primarily glucagon, but also cortisol, catecholamines, and growth hormone), and volume depletion all play a role in ketogenesis. The body's response to starvation is a decrease in insulin activity and an increase in the production of counter-regulatory hormones. These counter-regulatory hormones cause the release of free fatty acids from peripheral adipose tissue. However, excess fatty acids alone are insufficient to cause ketoacidosis since, normally, the liver metabolizes free fatty acids into triglycerides. The key difference in the starvation state is in mitochondrial enzyme activity; specifically, the rate at which carnitine acyltransferase (CAT) transports free fatty acids into the mitochondria for oxidation. CAT activity is low in the fed state and accelerated in the fasting state. Glucagon excess is believed to have the major role in this hepatic response. Prolonged vomiting leads to dehydration, which decreases renal perfusion, thereby limiting urinary excretion of ketoacids. Moreover, volume depletion increases the concentration of counter-regulatory hormones, further stimulating lipolysis and ketogenesis. Ethanol is oxidized to acetaldehyde, which is itself oxidized to acetate. Both steps require the reduction of nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD+) to reduced nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NADH). The increased ratio of NADH to NAD+ has several implications: (1) impaired conversion of lactate to pyruvate with an increase in serum lactic acid levels, (2) impaired gluconeogenesis because pyruvate is not available as a substrate for glucose production, and (3) a shift in the beta-hydroxybutyrate (β-OH) to acetyl acetate (AcAc) equilibrium toward β-OH. β-OH is the predominate ketone in AKA. Understanding this is essential because routine clinical assays for ketonemia test for AcAc and acetone but not for β-OH. Clinicians underestimate the degree of ketonemia if they rely solely on the results of laboratory testing. |
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Re: Isopropyl alcohol
okay, according the american emergency medicine journal, they believe that isopropyl alcohol is poisonous because of acidosis without ketosis
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