2ci chemically similar to mescaline?

[Raoul duke420]

Swim has taken 2ci a couple times before. I was comparing a mescaline molecule to the 2ci molecule and was amazed at how similar they are? So what does the iodine molecule do to make the 2ci different? I dont know shit about chemistry. Just curious. Also how much water would it take to dissolve a half gram of 2ci?

[JDreaming]

Iodine's such a rarely used element in drug design (be it pharmaceutical or recreational/entheogenic drugs) that it's ramifications probably aren't completely known. I think it's been used a little bit in certain thyroid medications. It is a halogen like Bromine or Chlorine but heavier than either of them, and thought by some to be responsible for the stimulating properties of the drug. Also note that, compared the mescaline, a methoxy group has been moved from position 3 over to 2 with 2C-I. The 2,4,5 substitution arrangement probably has something to do with the lower doses 2C drugs require compared to mescaline.

It takes as much water as one wants to use to dissolve a half gram of 2C-I. Depends how diluted the owner wants the substance to be. The important thing is making careful note of how many milligrams per milliliter of active compound the dilute contains so that doses can be measured accurately later on. It is also important to use distilled water rather than tapwater when dissolving it.

[Samadhi]

Correct swim if he is wrong but isn't the iodine what makes chemicals like 2c-i and DOI so heavy? And JDreaming is completly right in his statement about the 2,4,5 arrangement making the doses lower.

As for the diluting question swim would not suggest going any lower than a mixture of 250ml distilled water to 500mg 2c-i (making each Ml 2mgs of material) because it will start to get cloudy and one would have to shake the mixture before withdrawing the wanted dose.

also please make sure (for your sake) that the amount given/sent to swiy is really 500mg some companies are notorious for sending a butt-load more than ordered (swim once got 2.8 grams when he only ordered 1.5 SWEEETTT DEALLL!!! ) buy a precision scale if swiy can. it will make life easier knowing the EXACT amount swiy took.

[Raoul duke420]

Cool , Thanks for the info. Very helpful indeed !! Swim also intends to get a precision scale, sounds like a worthy investment. Also What is the best way to store 2ci or any research chem for long periods of time? I know exposure to light would not be good, can you freeze that shit? what would be the best way?

[jux]

Originally Posted by Raoul duke420

Also What is the best way to store 2ci or any research chem for long periods of time? I know exposure to light would not be good, can you freeze that shit? what would be the best way?

most rc's should be stored as a powder in an airtight container in the freezer. (basically, they should be stored away from heat, light, moisture, and oxygen)

2c's are notoriously stable though...even without the freezer they should be fine.

[Samadhi]

Swim has his dissolved in a very high proof liquor in the freezer. this has kept them quite well

[trptamene]

^^phen's will last quite a while in high proof liquor, but this is not the case for some tryptamines...particularly the 4-ho-tryps.

Swim says if you want to do volumetric dosing to make up about 10-20 doses at a time and leave the rest of the powder under dessicant and preferably under vacuum or some type of inert gas (swim has read CO2 from bike cartridges would work but he uses Ar) in the dark in the back of the freezer.

Also, does swiRaoul know a precision scale means .001g? Any worse does not give you the precision you would need.

[Raoul duke420]

thanks tryptamene for the info. I plan on getting a precision scale. What one do you think is the best all around one to get?

[trptamene]

hmm....well swim uses a Denver M-220D analytical balance, but that is because he has access to it...this is beyond most peoples means...take a look at this thread (Research Chemicals Weighing Methods for Beginners) seem to remember many reccomending tanita.

I would look for one that goes down to 0.001g accuracy...not the 0.002g kind. It is worth investing in a good one of these.

Edit - I just found this post by radiometer, may be of use to you:

Originally Posted by radiometer

Tanita used to be the best price for performance, but they are no longer available. Look for scales made by Gempro or Acculab. For weighing individual doses with any degree of accuracy whatsoever you need to have a scale which is sensitive to .002 g or less. A .01 g scale is only good for weighing larger amounts such as 100 mg for further liquid measurement. The adage "you get what you pay for" applies to super cheap scales advertising this sort of accuracy costing under $100. Expect to pay $200 or more for a quality scale.