Shipping drugs?

[Darkmaster]

Im thinking of shipping about 35 gram's of various (light) phsycadelic seeds and stuff. Shipping from the UK to Norway with Europe priority.I am unsure about if its legal or not. Can i get arrested and stuff? cuz that would make christmas suck


50 seeds of type Hawaiian Baby Woodrose and 10 grams of yopo seeds.


Can anyone speak of own experience?

[Pinkavvy]

not sure about europe, but here in the states HBWR seeds are legal (as long as not intended for drug use) as is the yopo seeds.

and if you are sending these seeds for use in a craft (your friend was going to glue them to a painting for texture, right?) then i don't see what the problem would be to send legal craft supplies?

[Darkmaster]

so you cant buy them for drug use? must suck


the craft-thing wasnt dumb thou

[RoboCop]

No not for drug use, but they can't prove thats what you sent them for. Unless you are planning to put a note with it like "here you go man eat this sh*t it'll @#$# you up." That may get you into trouble otherwise, you won't have a problem with those seeds.

[Darkmaster]

i see. So in the US they actually call you and ask what your doing with it? wonder if the police uses the same higly-sophisticated,super-intelligent method here. I mean, who would see trough a masterplan like that. Actually calling and asking if youre on drugs.

[RoboCop]

No they won't call(not sure if you where asking or being sarcastic, sounded like it to me but just in case)but when you buy them they are sold strictly not for human consumption. What I ment is if you are cought with them or somehow found sending them, you won't get in any trouble because they can't prove what you are using them for,(and probally won't even know what they are) unless somehow they have evidence against you. Then you could get in some trouble as both seeds have illegal substances in them. I never heard of anyone getting prosecuted for such a thing, and the chances are so slim.
These are common plants all you would have to do is say you where planning to grow them.

[Darkmaster]

i see. well the climate is rather harsh up north so ill probalby tell them im using them as narcotics

[sunyata]

You can buy Morning Glory seeds from seed stores in Norway if u like, they're completely legal. Search for Legemiddellisten, it has listed all herbs that you need prescription to posess, and Narkotikalisten, where all drugs are listed. Did you know that you need a prescription to posess Salvia Divonorum in Norway? I'd love to know what it's prescribed for. Boredom?


I think you can import something like 20-30 seedpacks to Norway, without any papers on it, and HBWR is not mentioned in any of the lists above.


However, as you probably know, norwegian police aren't the sharpest heads in the world, so they might try to give you some shit about it. I know many people who got "busted" by the police with mexican mushrooms while they were still legal in Norway, they never got any legal reaction for it(since they were legal), but the police threatened them and took the shrooms. So know your rights, don't let them tell you you're breaking the law, cause most of them have no idea what's legal and what's not, except for hash and speed. They just assume it must be illegal.

[RoboCop]

The police took the legal mushrooms? I wouldn't stand for that sh*t no way I would let soem pig walk away with my legal stash. He would have to shoot me.
As for salvia being a prescription, lol that is crazy, and if you ever find out what it is prescribed for let us know I am very interested.
Maybe its prescribed for the hiccups, lol, if that scare the hiccups out of you thing truely works salvia would be the best anti-hiccup medicine ever!

[Darkmaster]

so you mean they'll come to my door asking questions? I live in a small place so i higly doubt theyll even notice

[sunyata]

They probably won't do anything, less than 10% of the mail is checked by customs and the dogs rarely react to seeds and stuff. I got a pack of ethnobotanicals in august, with a "custom-cleared" stamp, they hadn't even opened it.


Just out of curiosity, what else did you order, besides the HBWR seeds, I'll tell you if they're legal or not.


Norwegian drug laws currently has some loopholes that are allmost too good to be true:


-Ketamine is not listed as a drug, but as medicine, which means that if you're selling it they can't punish you as much as if you're selling hash, or Khat for that matter.


-MDEA, or Adams little sister, Eve, is legal! MDA and MDMA are listed as drugs, but MDEA isn't. If you get caught with it they not only can't punish you, they have to give you the stuff back.


They are lucky that Norwegians don't really know this, and everytime I tell this to someone, they don't really believe how much heavy stuff is legal in Norway, they just assume it says somewhere in the law that you can't get high on anything except coffee and alcohol, and of course, it doesn't.

[Alfa]

Sunyata, so you know where a copy of these lists are to be found in English? It would be great to have more info on what's legal in Norway and what's not because it seems very different from the rest of the EU.

[sunyata]

They don't have it in english, but you'll make sense of the list anyway since they list the chemical names of drugs. Try www.lovdata.no/for/sf/ho/to-19780630-0008-001.htmland you'll see the Norwegian drug list. Last update was made in april 2004 and they haven't added anything since, I'll let you know when they new drugs. They're kinda slow, though, 2-CB and GHB wasn't made illegal until this year, and they have known about and seized batches of Ketamine for a long time, but they haven't made it an illegal narcotic yet. This might change soon though, I suspect they might import these analog drug laws they have in the states, like Denmark did. It would be really sad, because in practice that law means that most things could be illegal. What the hell is an analog, anyway? Melatonin is a tryptamine and thus could be said to be a chemical analog to illegal tryptamines, such as LSD or DMT.


Hopefully, wecan enjoy our loopholes for a couple of more years, before the world becomes so regulated you can't even take a piss without applying for permission.

[Darkmaster]

wow didnt know about this. well this is what i ordered:


Hawaiian Baby Woodrose


Yopo seeds and Calamus

[sunyata]

There could be some complicatins with the Calamus, you need a prescription for it. If they should stop it, just say you didn't know you needed a prescription for it, it's not a serious offense so they might be nice with you, or even better, they won't even stop it. Yopo seeds are legal. It's kind of funny that you need a prescription for calamus, since it's not that strong, I've never managed to get any effect from it. Yopo, however can be quite strong since they contain DMT and 5-meo-DMT.

[Darkmaster]

thanks. i guess theres a big chance they wont bother doing anything anyway right? is there away to make extract out of calamus?

[Darkmaster]

just forget that post. I'll just PM you instead ok?

[Triple7]

My impression is that norweigan customs mess with everything if they
can. It doesn't matter what one gets, and if they stop a package and
open it.. they will make trouble if they don't know what it is. Some
Swedish onlines stores don't like to shipto Norway.



An option: If you didn't pay by cc.. or if there are no proofs that you
ordered the stuff.. you prepay in some smart way.. then they don't have
proofs that you ordered the stuff. You could deny it.



Heard that importing mushrooms to Norway is legal.. it has to do with some loophole with EU-Norway laws.

[Darkmaster]

Still hasn't arrived...


Its arrived at Oslo,norway's capital. Hasnt moved in 3-4 days now.


any advice?

[Paderas]

I guess you should just send it under a different name or something,
because i doubt if they know what kind of seeds they're looking at...
and there is bound to be something that is even more legal and looks
pretty much the same...

[sunyata]

It is just the Calamus that requires a prescription, they can't keep the rest of the stuff. By the way, if you want morning glory seeds(same alkaloids as HBWR) you can purchase them from http://www.leuthens.no/. They,re located in Norway and are a completely normal seed company.

[Darkmaster]

Thx but i need to get this straightened out first. fuckin mail

[sunyata]

Once when I sent some mushrooms and grow kits sent from Holland, I never recieved them. I think the police just took them, and were hoping that I wouldn't mind. Of course I did mind, but for various reasons I couldn't go to the police and claim them. They were legal at this point.


So if you don't recieve your order, and you don't hear anything from the police, you have to contact them to claim it. Sometimes they just take it and hope that you're too nervous to claim it. That's actaually stealing, so it gives you an idea of how much they care about the law, unless they can apply it on a harmless citizen(most of them don't like to catch hardened criminals, because they're likely to get into trouble, they prefer pot-heads). Good luck.

[Triple7]

Originally Posted by sunyata

So if you don't recieve your order, and you don't hear anything from
the police, you have to contact them to claim it. Sometimes they just
take it and hope that you're too nervous to claim it. That's actaually
stealing, so it gives you an idea of how much they care about the law,
unless they can apply it on a harmless citizen(most of them don't like
to catch hardened criminals, because they're likely to get into
trouble, they prefer pot-heads). Good luck.

Who are "they".. you mean the mailman etc?? Or pherhaps you mean the law? Do you also have such experiences?



I just read in a swedish site where a guy lost his ghb.. 2 cops
arrested him on the street.. there was 1ml of it in a small bottle..
but in his report from the labanaysis there was 10ml of if.. and no
traces of ghb.. seems weird.



I've myself insufflades and smoked drugs with an Asutrlian ex-cop.. it
was he who gave it to me when he was in Thailand. There are more weird
stories involved with other people I know about.



Nothing suprizes in this world..

[sunyata]

"They" are, of course, customs officers or police, pigs. Any person who decides "hey, I want to hunt "bad" people and get them punished when I grow up" has to have a serious flaw in their character. The proper way to treat a person with this type of personality disorder is to load him/her up on a couple of thousand micrograms of LSD and send them alone into the woods with a gun that has one bullet.


Am I overreacting?