Trouble with Urinating on XTC

[Heretic.Ape.]

I have personally not hear of such a substance in the mouth and can give you no definitive answer but I would guess that, based on the fact the two who had issues were excessively sucking on these lollipops and that she was obviously really going to town on them (since her mouth was cut up) that she likely simply aggrivated and damaged the inside of her mouth and is likely now spitting out bits of sloughed off tissue, if she is not coughing the material up. If the problem persists I would recommend she see her physician. If the lollipop issue is the case she may want to go easy on the lolli's next time
It is fairly common on many substances to have difficulty urinating. I do not know why as I've never looked into it.
Let us know how it turns out and if the problem persists. Oh, and welcome to the forums
h.a.

[spacechick]

Thanks for that.

I just got scared for her because the way she explained it, it seemed as though it may have been bits of blood. I mentioned maybe it was skin from her mouth but she told me it definitely wasnt because she was able to bring it up from her throat if she tried. She said it only happened for about an hour, so she stopped with the lollis- and it eventually stopped... but from then on she said she was pretty paranoid and couldnt enjoy the rest of her night...

How much water is one meant to drink? A bottle an hour?.... She was unsure if she was TOO hydrated or not hydrated enough.

[Heretic.Ape.]

hmm, if she feels sure it is not skin and could bring it up from the throat it sounds like phlegm. That can happen for a myriad of reasons, although I personally haven't heard of phlegm from ecstasy use. Spitting up black phlegm is common in chronic users of smoked substances. Since she does not smoke she may simply have had some type of negative reaction to the smoke, some people are much more sensitive to lung irritants than others.
The main issue with hydration and ecstasy is that people go out dancing for hours and hours, sweating and exerting themselves. Thus there is no real formula such as drink a bottle of water per hour as it mainly depends on how much water you a losing. The main point is simply to not get caught up in dancing and such, as it gets easy (especially when feeling the positive affects of ecstasy) to forget about things like thirst.
Overhydration is certainly possible but I can see no reason to believe this is the case from the above, although overhydration can cause one to become discomobulated, and feel generally bent out of shape (it can also lead to siezures, coma, and other serious issues but I doubt it is something to be concerned about within this context).
Seeing that the problem seems to have passed I would think she is likely fine, but as I said, if the problem returns or if others arise she should see a physician, better safe than sorry.
h.a.

[spacechick]

Thanks. Im going to show her this thread so hopefully she can understand a bit better. I hope that it doesnt happen to her again... well, i just hope she stops. Thanks! If anyone else has any other advice that would be great.

Can not being able to urinate harm you? Especially if youre drinking a lot of water?

[Heretic.Ape.]

Yes it can be harmful and if extended over a few days can prove very dangerous. I highly doubt it would pose much of a problem over a couple hours.
Edit: also pleas note that I am by no means fit to make definitive statements regarding health issues and am not even by any stretch one of the resident experts on this particular substance. I recommend you friend spend some time looking around the ecstasy section, there is a lot of great information from people much more knowledgeable than myself.

[geezaman]

SWIM has on his past 3 rolls also had trouble urinating, usually while consuming about 5 pills in 9 hours (SWIM and co usualy start with 2 in the evening and see the night through using the other 3 as top ups) SWIM has had to wait up to 6 hours to pass any liquids, inability to urinate is not uncommon in ecstacy use, but does not nessisarially mean you are dehydrated, the dryness of the inside of SWIYs mouth, dryness of skin, weather you are sweating or not and whether you are to the touch of a sober person very hot, can be better indications, than just the inability to urinate, or while high and scared, "believing" you are dehydrated..

dehydration and over hydration are both very bad, but you can always reconsider taking on more water 5 mins down the line, its basically impossable to get it out so quickly... the X bottles of water per hour is a guide, as SWIhectic ape said... Obviously taking on more if SWIY is sweating buckets and dancing like a loony is ok, and if your cool and lazing about less is also ok, but taking on exessivly more than the "guide amount" could be fatal.

Somthing else SWIM often experiences is very very thick sticky spit, which now SWIM thinks of it could have the consistency of how one might imagine congealed blood to be.

most lollipops are brightly coloured and tend to leave your mouth and spit the same colour, perhaps SWIY could ask her what colour they were, or take a guess from the flavour of them.

finding SWIYs teeth aching and mouth sore the next morning is also not uncommon because of the jaw clenching, some people find that chewing on somthing makes this less so, because they are clenching less, others find chewing makes it worse because they are moving their mouth about so very much more.

hope this helps, and that what your freind was spitting out was not blood
peace
geezaman

[woody1144]

SWIM has issues when on MDMA. He finds it impossible to urinate until the following day where he spends most of the day pissing. I was wondering if anyone has come across this and if there is a way to avoid it? The usual penis shrinkage happens, is this a reason for it?

[doonie]

swim has the same experiences, although he didnt think it was an issue until swiy pointed it out! swim has no idea of how to avoid it though.

he also has discovered problems of his own... after a night out on beans he finds it absolutely impossible to sleep, even after a dosage of 5htp and several joints. his eyes are currently wide as pies, after dropping his last pill 17 hours ago! he has a feeling this may be because he has not been to sleep though.

any enlightenment?

[HydroxyMethoxy]

Try drinking lots of water (no more than say 500ml every hour) you don't want to die from whatever it's called (drinking too much water).

Think about going to the toilet. Try to relax and let it flow, you may not get the normal "I need to pee" signal even though your body needs to pee (like on mushrooms).

Relax your pc muscle and push out from your bladder if you know what I mean.

That's what I can think of, although I don't really have much trouble because I always keep hydrated and that makes me piss. Nothing like the sweet smell of amphetamine tainted urine!

[Alfa]

Most likely SWIY is getting pills that have high amphetamine content. FUBAR would say that it's time for a reagent test to check what the hell SWIY is munching.

[candy_kid]

@Alfa -> I replied with the following paragraph, but then realized you likely read "spends most of the day pissing" without noticing the part that said "He finds it impossible to urinate until the following day" - as your reply would have made perfect sense in that case (unless you're replying to doonie and not the op? doonie's friend almost definitely took meth)

anyway- for the masses,
amphetamines will cause someone to piss like a racehorse and mdma does the reverse, causing water retention. Swim can attest to both drugs' effects on urination (although much less so than the op's friend with mdma) -- the pills are almost definitely not mixed with amps if someone cannot piss and this is a normal effect

heres a quote explaining to an extent why, "recent studies have shown that MDMA use induces vasopressin secretion of the adrenal gland. Vasopressin, more commonly known as anti-diuretic hormone (ADH), tends to regulate the balance between water and its surrounding ions. Inhibition of this hormone leads to excessive water loss, dehydrating the individual. Consequently, if one secretes ADH beyond “normal” levels, then water is retained in the body, leading to conditions such as excessive dysentery and other such symptoms."
source : http://sulcus.berkeley.edu/mcb/165_0...ipts/_946.html
more simply speaking, mdma releases something in your brain that keeps water from being released

the best advice I have for swiy is to find some kind of diuretic that wont cause toxicity with mdma (amphetamines cause toxicity for example) -- caffeine might be a good choice as it doesn't release too much dopamine while being an efficient diuretic

[LuckyLizzard]

SWIM has the same problems when using XTC big time. His blatter is about to burst, but it just won't come out. SWIY is not alone in this! This can be a very big problem when Drugs and Watersports is your thing ;-)

[woody1144]

Thanks for the replies people. SWIM really appreciates it. It's a really annoying side effect, even sit down pisses don't work haha. SWIM usually drinks the correct amount of water and has even tried having a couple of beers to get things running but it just doesn't happen. Maybe its just a way SWIMs body handles the MDMA. Would love for him to get things moving as i'm sure it would be better for his kidneys.

[Lettish]

Swim has never had an issue with this before. Swim likes periodically going to the toilet during a hard dancing session (whilst rolling), because he enjoys the separation for a bit. It's of course quieter in the toilets so it gives him a little time to rest his senses, and have a [highly recommended] five-minute rest. Get that heart rate down a little.

[doonie]

another piece of advice for the male swiy's out there...

try filling the sink with warm water, putting your dick in it and turning the lights off. works like a gem

[geezaman]

Is this just a guy thing or are there any ladies who are affected also?

[LuckyLizzard]

O yeah, this is a unisex issue....

[jordan_]

Ahh swim always gets the unable to piss thing. First time this happened swims friend suggested eat a tablespoon of salt and than drink about 1L of water. I'm not sure what this does but it worked well. When salt isn't available, all you need to do is relax. A cigarette right before you piss helps.

[2muchpain2feel]

This happens to SWIMs boyfriend every time. He gets stressed (used to have anxiety relating pissing problems) so gets tense which just makes it harder. It's been known for him to not pee for 12hours because even after coming down he's still really tense and anxious about not being able to pee. He probably should steer clear of MDMA . . .

[Frangossy]

When SWIM is rolling it's almost impossible for him to pee.

SWIM feels like he is bursting for the toilet for hours but can never go and has in the past missed sesh's because SWIM has been constantly trying to go.

It can be Extremely uncomfortable.

SWIM finds that putting the tap on for a bit then turning it off helps sometimes and going somewhere you shouldn't be helps to like outside or in a garden or something.

SWIM got a question though can anyone tell me if there are any drinks, tablets anything that helps relax you on XTC that can make the process of peeing less uncomfortable and less time consuming lol. Something that just helps you go a lot more easier ?

Look forward to your reply's thanks

[uglypurses]

swim never felt like they had to pee but they were taken to the bathroom periodically and first time they sat there and thought for a few minutes if they had peed or not they didnt feel like they did but they wiped and woola they had peed but didnt know they did their bizness lol

[elementality0x]

everybody sersiously can't pee while rolling??
swim alwaysss has to pee like crazyyy when rolling. like crazyyy
not that he does it of course, but it drives him insane because he has to go so badd. he usually just forgets to go on the way there

[Greenport]

When swiM's apple would roll it would have times where it absolutely couldn't pee even tho it would try, and times when it absolutely had to pee really badly.

Someone else suggested multiplying numbers while trying to pee - that's what swiM's apple would do and usually it would eventually work. If not, it would just hold off for a little while.

[marsbar]

swim's biggest problem whilst on e is water retention. depending on how strong the pills/crystals are, it can seriously control swim's experiences. all swim can think of is going to the toilet.
if anyone knows of anything that will help conquer the problem, swim would be eternally grateful. does drinking more water make it easier to go, or just more frustrating as there's more water in your bladder?

swim thinks the water problem is more noticeable when on pills than on pure mdma, but this may just be swim's opinion.

if swim could, swim would make a cure for water retention!

[BuzzAldridge]

yea SWIM has similar probs once 6+ pills r taken, 1 night i spent 3 out of 5 hrs sitting on the toilet with taps and shower all running and my hand in the running water but nothing worked. when i did finally go it was probably one of the best rushes ever