Experiences - Diphenyl-2-Pyrrolidinyl-Methanol (diphenylprolinol) trip reports

[bob_arctor]

Please add your experiences with diphenylprolinol here. Please add dosage, route and duration to the top of your post like this:

Originally Posted by EXAMPLE

Dosage: 9 mg
Route: Orally
Duration: 9 hours

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Diphenyl-2-Pyrrolidinyl-Methanol (diphenylprolinol)
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Dosage: 25 + 20 mg
Route: Orally
Duration: 8.5 hours

T+00:00
25 mg. of SWIM was told was ((R)(+)-Diphenyl-2-pyrrolidinyl-methanol) is consumed orally in veggie cap. Two days earlier a test run with 5 mg was made to investigate appropriate dosage and possible unforeseen ill effects in SWIM, who also is on antidepressant Cymbalta.

SWIM initiate this procedure early in the day, since SWIM had seen references that the substance duration-wise has a long and smooth envelope, both comeup and comedown. Also the beautiful sunny spring weather contributed to this decision. 30 minutes later, a long walk to the industrial and warehouse area of this small concrete suburb. A clearly discernable energy of the little fuzzy type guides SWIM's steps in his quest to secure low cost, high quality dry fodder for SWIM's beloved kitten, here mentioned only under the alias "Katyusha".

T+02:00
Weak undefined sort of bodily euphoria is present - a buzz, but not a driving, grinding (and potentially orgasmic) feelings that larger doses of amphetamine can induce, nor the sort of friendly fuzzy body buzz which SWIM tends to associate with tryptamines. SWIM is in a good mood, working on some web design and at the same time playing host to two friends visiting, drinking wine and generally socializing.

Tend to get laboriously absorbed in the task of setting up CSS-classes and aggregating feeds from various services SWIM employ. It was years ago since SWIM constructed a site before. Sharing some glasses from of box wine brought by SWIMs friend who goes under the alias Windows Media Player 9.0

Mild jaw clenching is noted. SWIMs girlfriend remark on typical nervous tongue movements, but this is hardly noticed by the person in question. Some sweating is cooled off in some generous gusts of spring. Mentally, SWIM as a person rather reduces social contacts to a few trusty members, but now feels like working in an elderly home would fit SWIM well.The feeling is of slowly rising stimulation, expectations of a plateau to come.

Very hungry, both in the "need energy" sense and having no adverse feelings towards redeeming this. Whip together a mild wok with chick peas, kidney beans and sweet and sour sauce. Turns out not a candidate to be served at the Nobel Prize Dinners, where all the fat cats of the scientific, business and bureaucratic rub each other's back. SWIM is digressing.

SWIM manage to get half the meal voraciously inside until not really feeling for the taste anymore. Hunger resurfaces through the day, and SWIM feel very satisfied to have made the acquaintance of a stimulant that doesn't seem to induce extreme appetite suppression.

T+02:30
Oops, here it kicks in. Spontaneous exclamation by SWIM on IRC "factor has been raised significantly!" The smoothness discussed about elsewhere also later proved true at the end of experience - at least at this level. SWIM wonder where in the range of acceptable dosages of 25 mg would be? Is it a nice drug, but limited to being a social tonic with unacceptable side reactions accelerating with dose? Make note to "Insert more research."

T+04:00
SWIM is having a quite pleasant evening now, in conversation with SWIMs friends, one of which has decided to accept on SWIMs offer to try 25 mg. SWIM don't experience at all the sort of jittery egocentric babbling and feeling of "the world is to slow for me, can't it get faster?"-effects that makes amphetamines so lacking in exploring one's psychology alone and in group. Of course SWIM might be perceived by the others in the room as dominating and babbly, but they don't seem to be disturbed by it and confirm their affection for SWIM.

T+06:00
A booster dose of additional oral 20 mg. is added, since time is drawing near to use the commuter transportation system. The voyage is to a long awaited gig at a medieval themed cave pub.

An euphoric, almost psychedelic state stands forth clearly but fuzzily. Not been present in amphetamine, MPDV, Ritalin and other stimulants SWIM has sampled. Euphoria yes, but not those higher spectrum overtones of psychedelic coating. Perhaps BZP in combination with TFMPP had some of this, but there it was a question of a more "dirty" and bodily felt psychedelic tints. Mellow, but powerful, clearly talking for itself despite indulgence in rote Swedish alcohol culture.

T+07:00

SWIM meet some interesting characters with which rewarding discussions were had despite club loudspeakers playing loud and extremely outmoded and antiquated music of feodal systems of the past. One person remarks about abnormally dilated pupils, which verifies that this chemical at least in SWIM cause almost extreme mydriasis. SWIM feels happy and socially secure.

Soon the main attractions, Vox Vulgaris, a band playing contemporary medieval music, citing influences such as Bo Hansson, Ornette Coleman, Bo Hansson, Aphex Twin and the KLF. The crowd goes wild in the stony, damp cellar valve. At first shouting and moving around enthusiastically, banging their fists on the sturdy but rough wooden tables, soon straddling them for dancing and the multitude are really getting into the Meshuggah-influenced breaks and the following soaring, wild solos of the skalmeja, the oboe-like double reed instrument once so popular in the middle ages and the renaissance.

It has risen to toot now again! The toot lives! This is the objective state of the concert. The powerful beats and melodies transform the room into a frenzy that can be likened to what happens when a really wild Klezmer/folk band like Kocani Orkestar or some other band one might expect to show up in an Emir Kusturica film.

Dancing on ((R)(+)-Diphenyl-2-pyrrolidinyl-methanol) brings forward a clear and strong good old stimulant character in this yet so mellow substance. There is very little peripheral action as has been reported elsewhere. No "heart rushes" and overheating was experienced. But yet capable to "take the lead". Of course it is hard to speak about the general nature of this substance in cases like this with so little available bio-assay data.

In SWIMs interesting state of mind SWIM concoct the slogan that "the future is theory, middle ages are facts!" A great urge falls upon SWIM to make these findings on specific relationships between that which is to be and that which has been. But, alas, the outcry is drowned out by omnidirectional shouts and outbursts originating from the rest of the ecstatic crowd and their already highly active reptile brains. Man must dance.

T+11:00

Inebration is receding, lethargic 50 minute night bus is spent in the iffy feeling of coming down from the stimulant, the alcohol making SWIM pleasantly stoned enough to daydream a little, hangning against the window passing by bus stop after bus stop. Almost baseline, but still alert.

SWIMs girlfriend preferred staying at home to the medieval festivities. SWIM and friends drink the wine left over in the bag-in-a-box she spent the evening with and assume sofa positions, which feels great. Some jazz to smoke would have been A+, but life is cruel sometimes.

On the XBOX, the movie "Ewige Schönheit", which examines the wants and ideas expressed in architecture, body control and general aesthetics of the Third Reich project. Chronological original and often schockingly beautiful material.. Leni Riefenstahl and so on.

SWIM administers 2 mg. of phenazepam in veggie caps to circle of friends. Time passes with discussions on the movie, sometimes just observing without listening to speaking track (which is rather like an essay). Time is ready for bed.

This concludes our presentation. SWIM had some hours of very good sleep after an interesting success in this bioassay. Insert more research!

Reputation Comments on this post:

	nice write up, please be sure to look over the rules though to avoid future trouble!
	Good but would also like to know more about the sexual effects/stimulation
	good report,
	Thanks for the report.

[Nicaine]

Wow... a very encouraging assay! This subbie could prove popular as lab-monkey food .

Did SWIY notice any prosexual effects, or others that he associates with dopaminergic drugs?

[bob_arctor]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

Wow... a very encouraging assay! This subbie could prove popular as lab-monkey food .

Did SWIY notice any prosexual effects, or others that he associates with dopaminergic drugs?

Thank you. It certainly seems like a more interesting substance than SWIM thought. The odds in the chemistry suggesting that addiction risk might be low is encouraging. But one never knows. Next time SWIM will try 30 mg oral.

No sexuality was harmed during the experiment. That said, SWIM has been on efexor for almost 3 years during which libido really has not played a part in my life. SWIM hasn't noticed any change in this status since switching to Cymbalta recently.

OBU

[Iggypoop]

Sounds good, this makes me very happy! I would like to see more reports before making my mind up though. Idiosyncratic reactions are very possible especially with something so new to the group consiousness...

All in all, sounds promising.

[bob_arctor]

Originally Posted by Iggypoop

Sounds good, this makes me very happy! I would like to see more reports before making my mind up though. Idiosyncratic reactions are very possible especially with something so new to the group consiousness...

All in all, sounds promising.

SWIM would also have liked to have seen more reports and more papers on the principle of action of this novel chemical. SWIM took the lucky chance that RC enthusiasts often are forced to decide about. Will report more about additional experiments. Until then this report should be considered like that first hooray raving report on erowid about IAP.

Users who are scholared in bioorganics and have better insight in the action of these drugs perhaps could pull and translate to human readable form information (if available) in professional medical databases?

A GC/MS-analysis should be arranged somehow also.

OBU

[Iggypoop]

http://designer-drugs.com/pte/12.162...rolidinyl.html

This would suggest an action similar to that of cocaine, doesn't sound too far off the mark from your report, what do you think? Could it perhaps compare to MDPV, do you have experience with that compound?

Although if this is coming from where i think it is, i would be slightly dubious about the contents of said product...

[bob_arctor]

Originally Posted by Iggypoop

http://designer-drugs.com/pte/12.162...rolidinyl.html

This would suggest an action similar to that of cocaine, doesn't sound too far off the mark from your report, what do you think? Could it perhaps compare to MDPV, do you have experience with that compound?

Although if this is coming from where i think it is, i would be slightly dubious about the contents of said product...

SWIM would rather let someone else interpret the data from that link and from other data sources, since SWIM is not qualified in this area. It looks really interersting at least.

SWIM has gone through some amounts of MDPV, mostly as a 3-5 mg morning booster which works well against the lethargy and lack of energy experienced since SWIMs first depressive episodes long ago.

In comparison, MDPV is a good chemical for projects. SWIM has many computer geek friends who use it in their work, but seldom in another way than SWIMs "morning boost". It wakes you up - even a kind of rush might be achieved if taking the nasal route. At least subjectively more focused. In with higher doses some euphoric mental and bodily effects can be noted, but also increasing jaw-clenching, sweating and the need to output feces of questionable viscosity.

Two doses during a day for SWIM might be OK, three might result in seriously disturbing jaw-clenching for a long time, restlessness and no sleep during the night. All this without the euphoria, social effects and bodily buzz that a traditional amphetamine might entail in such dosage. SWIM would never ever stand up to "racing" with MDPV for several days.

Perhaps the different methods of actions by the two Ritalin-cousins might make for a synergistic combination?

As raised in a post earlier (Iggypoop), there is no way we can be sure that this compound is what it is purported to be. An analysis needs to be done by a sympathizing professional.

Nicaine: The smoothness of the envelope and long sweep time was certainly a positive factor for SWIM. The end was a bit clouded by phenazepam of course, and alcohol had been consumed earlier, so it is nothing sure SWIM suppose.

On another note - is (R)(+)-Diphenyl-2-Pyrrolidinyl-Methanol technically a piperazine? Does it belong in this cathegory?

OBU

Reputation Comments on this post:

LOL - Feces of questionable viscosity!

[Nicaine]

From his description, it sounds slower to kick in + much longer lasting than MDPV (even more so cocaine). Could be a good thing in terms of the substance being less addictive as well... MDPV is about as addictive a substance as SWIM ever hopes to encounter, and cocaine's addictive potential speaks for itself.

SWIM's got lots of experience with both, so he'll definitely be able to compare with DPM (is that the right acronym?) once it hits the wider RC scene.

[Nicaine]

So Iggy, SWIM hears that SWIY tried it at a rather high dose and got only mild stimulation... two semi-conflicting reports at this point, interesting...

Can SWIY go into more detail about what kind of stimulation at 40mg... stronger than caffeine? Or did the flashbulb eventually go off and the stuff "hit" like with Bob?

[bob_arctor]

Originally Posted by Nicaine

So Iggy, SWIM hears that SWIY tried it at a rather high dose and got only mild stimulation... two semi-conflicting reports at this point, interesting...

Can SWIY go into more detail about what kind of stimulation at 40mg... stronger than caffeine? Or did the flashbulb eventually go off and the stuff "hit" like with Bob?

Mild stimulation, but with and added non-tryptamine bodybuzz kind of feeling, doing things fast but not feeling like the whole fucking world is moving to slow. No jitter, no soullessness. For SWIM it is so appreciated (so far) because it fits very well into both party, work, and home milieus.

[Nicaine]

SWIM has been experimenting heavily with this chemical lately.

Indeed, as Rush suggests, by itself chronic use at high doses clearly inhibits dopamine reuptake very effectively. It is at least as compulsive/fiendish as MDPV when dosed this way rectally, quite possibly more. It is nearly as pro-sexual as well.

It also has the usual issues of most pure DRI's, like plenty of subtlety at low to moderate dosages that not everyone can appreciate (but it does scale upward well). Also, the first few experiences are likely to be disappointing. SWIY should give their lab animals time to acclimate to this substance, same as maybe they did long ago when they noticed cocaine having no effect the first few times.

Lots of people will never appreciate pure dopamine reuptake inhibitors, or give them the respect they deserve, which is understandable -- ISE they are intrinsically unsatisfying at normal dosage and length/frequencies of use, so those who do like them typically fit a certain class of nutcase who will dose 5x the usual amounts for 96 hours straight and such... LOL. SWIM's current research involves 48 hours straight, followed by 5 hours sleep, followed by another 16 hours (so far). At least it isn't too strong an appetite suppressant, SWIM has been eating fairly normally.

P.S. didn't this used to be in the piperazines forum? Glad it was moved, as I don't think it's even remotedly related.

[Iggypoop]

Sorry i haven't made any more reports on this one, i've been ill, nothing to do with this stuff don't worry!

When i'm in tip top condtion i'll do some more testing.

I gave a few friends a sample of this to try and they've all said 'smooth stimulation and made me smile at nothing' or words close to that effect. Don't think its going to blow anyones socks off but maybe good for relaxing evenings!

Will let you all know more when i do.

[Rush]

so no appetite suppressant ability...but what about insomnia?

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Iggypoop

I gave a few friends a sample of this to try and they've all said 'smooth stimulation and made me smile at nothing' or words close to that effect. Don't think its going to blow anyones socks off but maybe good for relaxing evenings!

SWIM just notices a very typical set of effects produced by all 'pure' dopamine reuptake inhibitors. ISE these substances are NOT anything exciting, unless SWIY enjoys the feeling of excess dopamine in the brain. "Smooth" stimulation (i.e. no effect on norepinephrine or circulating dopamine levels), and of course boosted focus, concentration, drive (including sex drive). Similar to Ritalin in many ways.

What's cool about these drugs is how targeted they are, i.e. they do not (or at least should not) affect anything except pre-synaptic dopamine reuptake. This, plus the fact that they also don't actually BOOST dopamine levels centrally or peripherally means they should be a VERY safe class of drug, with few directly harmful effects on the body and typically high LD50.

That said, there is potentially a big problem, particularly with higher and more frequent dosing: Addiction, compulsivity, fiending, inability to stop using, sleep deprivation, malnutrition and consequent deterioration of physical and mental health. The typical "rat presses lever until it dies of exhaustion" syndrome. So I guess you can say they aren't so benign after all...

Originally Posted by Rush

so no appetite suppressant ability...but what about insomnia?

ISE there's *some* appetite suppression, just nothing serious. The stuff murders sleep, at least for SWIM.

[Iggypoop]

With 50mg i slept like a baby, did have a few beers too though (about 4 cans), which may have helped.

[Iggypoop]

Honestly i would start off with a 50mg dose, at 25mg you'd barely feel it. Even at 50mg its mild.

[Rush]

dilatation of pupils is present?

btw MDPV was great for focus, movement coordination, and concentration ( <10mg dose)

D2PM has the same effect?

[bob_arctor]

Originally Posted by Rush

dilatation of pupils is present?

btw MDPV was great for focus, movement coordination, and concentration ( <10mg dose)

D2PM has the same effect?

SWIM has not enough bioassaying on feet to tell yet - for SWIM some focus is there, a "there and now"-ness, but also a very pleasant deal of a sort of light-headedness, which SWIM notices somewhat in motor coordinating. So far most assays have been enjoyable, upward going-ly feeling.

When attending a gig one person noted mydriasis in SWIM, but that remark is easy to discount due to constant large pupils since birth.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Rush

dilatation of pupils is present?

SWIM got none whatsoever, even at very high doses.

btw MDPV was great for focus, movement coordination, and concentration ( <10mg dose)

D2PM has the same effect?

Absolutely, but dosing can be tricky to get right (i.e. it's very easy to get either too little or too much). SWIM is out of work, so he has the luxury of redosing whenever he feels like it... he just plugs (yep, that's PLUG, up the rear end) what looks like a reasonable amount whenever his body/mind tells him it feels like more, based on intuition. This has worked surprisingly well, but it does take time to get the hang of... luckily, D2PM plugged takes effect in under a minute, so it's pretty easy to figure out. It is irritating stuff however, so has to be diluted pretty well first.

[Iggypoop]

I would answer but i need to try it a few more times to make sure i know whats placebo and whats not.

It did seem to increase concentration, much like ritalin etc, also made for that 'i want to move about' feeling.

[Nicaine]

SWIM has now used this stuff enough to verify consistently worthy recreational effects, at least for him and his personal dosing regimen.

Looks like it may be facing the same general fate (derision, dislike, boredom) as MDPV, only more-so. Oh well, probably just means more floating around for SWIM to order and enjoy.

[Rush]

if there's no dilatation, there is no adrenaline effect

SWIM liked MDPV until it gave him lower abdominal and back pains
no addiction noticed

SWIM liked MDPV so maybe can find in this one a substitute.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by Rush

if there's no dilatation, there is no adrenaline effect

SWIM liked MDPV until it gave him lower abdominal and back pains
no addiction noticed

SWIM never got lower back pains from it, unless it was from staying awake and sitting up too long. No idea what the lower abdominal pains were from, that never happened to SWIM at all with MDPV.

SWIM liked MDPV so maybe can find in this one a substitute.

Maybe. It's not the same substance and the high doesn't feel the same, but it has a charm of its own... just hope SWIM would give himself time to "learn" this substance's charms, they aren't immediately evident but take time to be appreciated.

[nanobrain]

seems dosing / delivery strategy is most important with this substance.

smoking is not viable, neither is insufflation and for what its worth, the ratties found oral dosing virtually worthless.

25mg was administered on an empty stomach, 30 more 2 hours later, another 35mg 2 hours after that.

the described effects were, to say the least, underwhelming. incredibly long onset reported -up to 6 hours to define activity that differed from adding a 3rd double expresso ontop of the 2 usual daily ones.

while the substance appeared benign, there were definite, albeit transient signs of both hepatic and renal load.
8 hours post ingestion, there were perceived effects, expressed as 'is this it?' - and it was. there were no effects on appetite, mild pupil dilation at the 8 hour point, very slight somatic disorientation and then something vaguely resembling a mood lift ala the square root of 4-FMP divided by 2. sleep at T12, shallow.

something of concern - up to 2 days post admin, reported feelings of baseless anger, coming in bursts about every 2 hours. this in no way resembled any hitherto experienced 'comedown' effects and was not even attributed to such until it became obvious.

something else: while the rats normally dont spend their time thinking about cocaine, during the experience, they specifically did not want any cocaine...even odder since they havent seen cocaine for a long time.

[Nicaine]

Originally Posted by nanobrain

something of concern - up to 2 days post admin, reported feelings of baseless anger, coming in bursts about every 2 hours. this in no way resembled any hitherto experienced 'comedown' effects and was not even attributed to such until it became obvious.

SWIM had some similar episodes of baseless anger/rage, as well as occasional bouts of extreme anxiety that felt more like paranoia (although this could be related to insomnia/sleep deprivation, which he's just had a problem with in general lately).

SWIM is troubled overall by the way this substance seems to affect him, and doubts he'll ever touch it again. He agrees that the high is underwhelming from a recreational standpoint, and the negatives he's observed are not worth the benefits. ISO this stuff makes MDPV look golden.

P.S. he also agrees that plugging is "the" way to ingest this substance, should one decide to do so.