Drug info - 'Herbal' High Neuroblast turns out to contain diphenyl-2-pyrrolidinyl-methanol

[Alfa]

As suspected London Underground's Neuroblast does contain Diphenyl-2-Pyrrolidinyl-Methanol. This rumour was going around for some time, but now seems confirmed. diphenyl-2-pyrrolidinyl-methanol has lead to hospitalisations among forum members when it was only available as a research chemical to a limited amount of people. Now it is on the vast party pill market this seems a train wreck waiting to happen. The NZ herald reports one hospitalisation, but I'd be surprised if it would be the last one.
I hope that London Underground sees the light and stops this product, otherwise this may be the end of their company and will seriously hurt the party pill industry in New Zealand.

Herald investigation: Party pill pushers beat the ban

By Patrick Gower
5:00AM Saturday November 03, 2007

Experimental "next-generation" party pills designed to side-step next month's Government ban have hit the streets.

One test batch put a man who took them in hospital.

A Weekend Herald investigation has found at least one of the new pills contains a substance police believe is illegal.

A legal loophole means party pill makers can put products on the market without having to prove they are safe.

Doctors say the new pills being created in the rush to meet demand may be as dangerous as those being banned.

The Government aims to have its ban on core party pill ingredient BZP in effect by Christmas.

The law change will classify BZP as a class C drug.

A range of pills being marketed as "non-BZP" is now on shop shelves. The pills, with names such as "Neuro Blast", cost $40 for a pack of three.

A man who took part in a trial of non-BZP pills for Auckland company London Underground was hospitalised when he found himself almost unable to breath, went numb and had his blood pressure almost double after taking two pills in August.

He said he felt he was going to die when he was hit by a "a surge of adrenalin into my heart".

The Ministry of Health says other users of next-generation pills have had heart palpitations and their fingers or toes have turned blue.

The Neuro Blast pills are being investigated by the police national drug intelligence bureau after scientific testing found they contained a stimulating substance called diphenyl prolinol.

Bureau head Mick Alexander said police believed they could prove this was a close version or "analogue" of pipradrol, a stimulant with side effects ranging from insomnia to psychosis and convulsions.

He would not comment further, saying legal action was possible.

London Underground refused to discuss the pills with the Weekend Herald and did not return calls about the police allegations.

A staff member, who would only give his name as Stan, said he knew of problems experienced by one of the trial participants but would not say what was in the pills.

He said Neuro Blast was no longer in shops - but the Weekend Herald bought some in the city yesterday.

Mr Alexander said police were aware parts of the multi-million dollar party pill industry were "pushing boundaries" with "obscure compounds" before the BZP ban.

"There are party pill suppliers selling pills without even knowing what is in them. If I was a user I would just stay away."

Mr Alexander said the party pill industry was exploiting a loophole in the Misuse of Drugs Act which meant manufacturers did not have to prove pills were safe before putting them on sale, as happened with food and medicine. Instead, the onus was on police to prove the pills were dangerous.

The loophole will be addressed in a proposed Law Commission review of the 30-year-old act.

The Ministry of Health's chief public health adviser, Dr Ashley Bloomfield, said BZP party pills were banned because of safety issues "and there is no reason to expect there won't be safety issues with any of these purported newer and safer substances".

"The onus should be on manufacturers to show the safety and they have shown no inclination to do the studies you would need to do to show safety."

Users should "quite simply not take these pills".

Associate Health Minister Jim Anderton, who promoted the BZP ban, agreed the act needed to be reviewed "tomorrow" to place the onus of proof on pill makers but said it was a major job and the Law Commission would not begin work on it until next year.

He said the attempts to get around the BZP ban showed the party pill industry's motivation was not to be careful about the safety of users.

"It is to slip through the cracks and make money."

National MP Jacqui Dean said Mr Anderton had been too slow getting the ban into law, giving party pill manufacturers a head start.

"With the minister signalling he's going to do something for about 18 months, the people who established those markets and are making big money out of party pills have been working on the next generation."

Matt Bowden, a party pill supplier and head of the industry's Social Tonics Association, said he believed party pills should have to go through the same testing process as medicines but the lack of regulation was the reason there were breaches.

"Unless we have the Government work with us, all we can do is put out voluntary regulations and people will try to get around them."

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/topic/stor...ectid=10473827

A related thread: secret ingredients in "legal highs"
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sad news, good post

[~lostgurl~]

As Matt said in the related thread, the pills that tested positive for diphenyl-2-pyrrolidinyl-methanol were not Neuroblast, but a new pill with no name that was given out as a trial. The media is so good at twisting things though.

[Alfa]

You've misread it:

Originally Posted by starboy

Note from this nzherald (nz's best firestarter) that the "trial only" product which the person had an adverse reaction to and the commercial product called "neuroblast" reportedly containing diphenylprolinol are not necessarily the same product.

The "trial only" product which was consumed before the adverse reaction was not otherwise marketed as far as we know.

London Underground did a trial with diphenylprolinol, which they say they did not pursue. Which would be the sensible thing to do after their trial results in a hospitalisation. Shortly after that Neuroblast appears which has the same effects and duration as diphenylprolinol, but ingredients are kept secret. Then rumours among the online community appear that neuroblast is in fact diphenyl prolinol.

Now the above article writes this:

Originally Posted by New Zealand Herald

The Neuro Blast pills are being investigated by the police national drug intelligence bureau after scientific testing found they contained a stimulating substance called diphenyl prolinol.

This can be a matter of coincidence and bad journalism, but it sure doesn't seem that way.

[~lostgurl~]

Damn you are right!. SWIM tried Neuroblasts, the first one was quite pleasant, the one a few nights later was very messy though. Edgy, sweating, throwing up, paranoia, unpleasant visual distortions, shakiness, rapid heart beat. Quite scary really. SWIM has had very little to do with all party pills ever since.

[Perception Addict]

HERALD INVESTIGATION: 'NEXT-GENERATION' PARTY PILL - A BAD TRIP

The effects hit Phillip in an instant. An hour after downing a trial next-generation party pill, he suddenly felt "a surge of adrenaline into my heart".

Phillip's pulse went through the roof, he couldn't stop fidgeting and started scratching his own face.

About an hour later, Phillip was in an ambulance struggling for breath on the way to hospital, where he ended up lying on the floor in emergency waiting for treatment.

"The first thing that went through my head was this is the stupidest thing we've ever done - taking unmarked pills in an envelope," Phillip told the Weekend Herald.

The Aucklander, aged in his mid-20s, was no stranger to the types of party pills already on the market.

He'd taken BZP about twice a month for the previous five years.

In fact, his track record taking London Underground products gave him and partner Dom the confidence to take part in the trial of the next-generation pills.

But the feeling Phillip got from the test pills was like nothing he'd felt before.

" He felt like he was dying," said Dom, who forced himself to vomit up one of the pills when he also started to feel sick.

The pair spoke on the condition of anonymity, angry the company's only response to their emails was an invitation to join another trial scheduled for late last month.

Two doses of two trial pills were sent to the pair in clear plastic bags in the post, with instructions to take two, then a further two if nothing happened.

"There was no warning, there was no 'don't do it on an empty stomach, don't drink, don't do this, don't do that'," said Dom. "It was just here you go, have a great time and report back to us the next day."

They said they had dinner and about 11pm on August 25 downed the pills, without having drunk any alcohol.

Phillip - who is fit and weighs almost 90kg - said it took an hour before he started to feel ill. "I just had this really awful feeling."

The pair went home and the situation deteriorated. "My body went completely numb, I felt like [when I touched my arm] I was touching somebody else. I couldn't breathe properly," Phillip said.

An ambulance officer apparently measured Phillip's blood pressure at twice its usual reading.

Dom said: "The next minute they [the ambulance officers] are like, 'Oh my God, we're off to the hospital, his blood pressure is, like, through the roof".

Medical records show Phillip's blood pressure was 220/120 when he arrived at hospital and he was "very anxious".

He was treated with a sedative before being discharged the next morning.

Phillip's discharge notes tell him to go to his GP in a week and "avoid party pill( s )!".

But on August 27, Phillip was back in hospital feeling dizzy and weak. He was again given medication to lower his blood pressure, which had shot up to 200/100.

The men haven't touched party pills since.

"We thought we were being responsible by not having any drugs, taking BZP, and trying something that's non-BZP," said Dom. "And now it's gone this way."

* Names have been changed.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/...ectid=10473813

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Thanks for sharing.

[Alfa]

I see that the Herald is really going to focus on London Underground, their trials and their products. They have released a small investigative article on the P.O. box company and it's staff. The Herald promises a lot more articles on the topic.

[radiometer]

Users should "quite simply not take these pills".

Has Hell frozen over yet? Because I'm shocked to find myself agreeing 100% with a government drug policy wonk.

[toe]

^
I would not go out and buy a down-filled parka or anything. It's likely that this guy's radio chip just expired. I seriously doubt we're going to be holding hands and communing around the drum circle with parliament any time in the near future.

They have probably already hauled this person in to have the implant replaced already.

[nanobrain]

is the per pill D2PM dosage known?

[chukbzle]

their stuff DOMS scares swim, though he tried a half dove while rolling and loved it, but still sketchy

"mind music" was ok but WAY too much $ swim shoulda gotta gold chain with it

[Durd1e]

SWIM has tried it to no serious ill effect but was up for two days. Also it seems to be very stimulating without being inebriating which may lead people to take more in order to feel 'high'.

Mind music was by far the worst experience SWIM has ever had with a drug. Total exhaustion but swim could not sleep - on a downer!! Also swim found the mental effects disturbing - he was not in control of his thoughts at all, indeed they seemed to belong to someone else and he felt emotionally empty. Yuck.

[Zaprenz]

Some shops are now selling off stock & stopping - most likely from realising the actual potential train wreck & customer problems. [likely a good thing by the sound of it]

This though can only end badly for the bigger picture. If the system gets stuck in an endless loop (in reference to party pills) of banning, finding new ingredient, banning etc - as the ingredients get more and more sketchy the more mindless sleep walking in to some horrible catch all/analogue law in a desperate attempt to stay ahead of the curve. Then people will be VERY annoyed at unethical party pill manufacturers who refuse to list ingredients!!

There seriously wouldn't be half the problems if the ingredients were listed - in SWIMs opinion a fundamental component for an informed decision. What would have been the down side?? Diphenylprolinol may have been scheduled quicker - by the sounds of things no one would really care anyway. Pure greed from the party pill manufacturers antagonised by bad government drug policy and mindless acceptance of "D.O.M.S proprietry blend" are going to really screw things over.

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very true, good run down/explanation of possible outcomes!

[Durd1e]

I really think the root cause of all this bs is prohibition. It drives every bloody thing underground.

Drug yse doesn't put money in the pocket of organised crime...prohibition does. SWIM would be perfectly happy to buy drugs legally of a man in a shop wearing a name tag. And/or a hairnet.

[Alfa]

An experience found elsewhere:

Originally Posted by djleeb

Hi I have experimented with herbal pill alternatives in the past mainly Bliss Extra.
Me and a mate decided to try LU's Neuro Bast 3.1 BZP free pills.
He ordered some last week and we decided to try them on Saturday. We both took one at 11am on Saturday, I had little or no feeling after 2 hours, neither did my mate I let him have the final 3rd pill. Again, he felt nothing after another 2 hours, 2 pills over 4 hours... nothing !! just a tiny bit spaced out.
At around 6/7pm (saturday) we both started feeling like crap, basically a Speed comedown, feeling anxious, paranoid, smoking loads of fags. We basically had all negative affects and no positive.
We both had no sleep Saturday and Sunday night, (felt rubbish all day Sunday) Monday night was a struggle to sleep as well. It felt as though my brain was over stimulated and would not switch off, I could not relax no matter what and my heart was beating heavily. So all in all I went 64 hours (Sat morn 8am>Monday night 12pm) without sleep no matter how hard I tried, my mate was the same. WE FELT LIKE S**T !!
We were taking no other medication/drugs at the time.
I haven't even had an illegal comedown like this !! lol and I have done some copious amounts of Speed + pills combo's in the past, stopped a few years back
I surely should not be getting these affects off 1 herbal pill ?? what exactly are in these pills? Proprietry Herbal blend aint really enough info, is it. Could it be possible that me and my mate had a bad batch ?? or had we BOTH, possibly reacted badly to something that was in them?

[Durd1e]

64 hours! Yikes. Nothing could keep me from sleep even two nights in a row.

It seems a lot of people experience very negative effects from these. Its a wonder that LU don't seem to realise that they are damaging their reputation by keeping this line of products.

[Mint boi]

Originally Posted by Durd1e

Its a wonder that LU don't seem to realise that they are damaging their reputation by keeping this line of products.

However it does seem that some sources are begining to realise it, i know of at least 2 big online headstores that have pulled the entire 3.1 LU range from sale

[Alfa]

Also note the new Diphenyl-2-Pyrrolidinyl-Methanol (diphenylprolinol) trip reports from a research study that I have posted. They clearly show the danger of this compound and the reason why Dutch smartshops did not want to start selling diphenylprolinol.

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thanks for useful info on diphenyl prolinol

[cosmicruler]

SWIM think that the herald is making a good move by bringing to light as much information about these substances as possible.
London underground seems to be taking the whole RCs being sold to the public thing a step too far and as a result, there is ALOT of bad publicity following them around(esp in N.Z)!!!
Alot of these people selling bulk amounts of RCs to the public are just money hungry and have no regard for the safety of the users or the public in general...!!!

[jenandjer]

Thanks to everyone! I think you saved me a ton of pain. I am new to this forum and think information like this saves lives. I got these pills and have been leary to try them with the unknown ingredients.