I do not consent to a search!

[grecian]

Originally Posted by Veteran Joker

All good stuff if swim vists the states, but what about English law, does someone in England have the right deny search consent?

In the UK suspicion of a crime is a pre-requisite to a stop-and-search (with a few exceptions (see below)). Thus your consent is not an issue for the police as they have the right to search you. Consent can be denied for home searches in some cases.

This quick guide, along with some sound advice comes from

Release: Drugs, The Law and Human Rights

On the Street

You can be stopped and searched if the police have a reasonable suspicion that you are in possession of
* controlled drugs
* offensive weapon or firearm
* carrying a sharp article (GRECIAN EDIT: short bladed penknives excluded)
* carrying stolen goods
or if you are in a coach or train, on your way to, or you have arrived at, a sports stadium.



There are other situations where you can be stopped and searched, for example:

* If police fear that there might be serious violence or a terrorist threat in a particular area, they can stop and search anyone in that area for up to 48 hours. In these circumstances, the police do not need to have reasonable suspicion that you are carrying a weapon or committing a crime.

REMEMBER:
» You run the risk of both physical injury and serious criminal charges if you physically resist a search. If it is an unlawful search, you should take action afterwards by using the law.

SEARCH OF YOUR HOME

* The police can search premises with the consent of the occupier.
* A warrant can be obtained from magistrates by the police to search premises for evidence of certain crimes.
* The police can only search the section of the premises that you occupy and communal areas of the premises.
* Police may enter WITHOUT a search warrant in many situations, including:
* following an arrest, the police are allowed to search premises the detained person occupies or has control over
* to capture an escaped prisoner
* to arrest a person for an arrestable offence or certain public order offences
* to protect life or to stop serious damage to property
* other laws give police specific powers to enter premises

REMEMBER:
» You are entitled to see a copy of any search warrant.
» Police can use reasonable force to gain entry.
» Police should give you information about their powers to search premises.
» A record of the search must be kept by the police.
» You or a friend should be allowed to be present during the search but this right can be refused if it is thought it might hinder investigations.

If you wish to learn more about this visit

Your Rights

[IntrepidTraveler]

I think a large portion of the men in women in law enforcement are only there because they were not smart enough/thrifty enough/ballsy enough to go the opposite route and live a life of crime. Very few, in my view, join the police force because of their general regard for upholding the law.

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Your post makes you look small. You most probably dont know what youre talking about.

[Beltane]

This has happened to SWIM twice, and there's 2 good stories he's too tired to type up.

Bottom line: Whatever you way, copys WILL search you and you car. If you DID NOT consent to the search, and can afford a good lawyer, whatever they found will probably be inadmissable.

If you can't afford a good lowyer, bend iover. They'll use whatever they find.

One more thing, don't consent to ANY search request:

Cop: Mind if I search youru car for weapons?

You (nope, no weapons): Sure, go ahead

Cop: What's this bag of dope?

You: you're fuicked, good lawyer or not. You consented to the search.

- Beltane

[pillz]

definately nota good idea for swiy to get out of swiys car. at least not in the usa anyway. if swiy even read the permit booklet, swiy would know that that:
1. stay in the car with seatbelt on
2. keep both hands on the steering wheel
3. and with the cop watching then pull out the license and registration.

why would swiy get out of the car anyway(even if swiy is just getting a speeding ticket or warning.....very suspicious.why would swiy say that he doesnt permit a search? that alone is incriminating.

[pillz]

sorry for the doublepost. yea never consent to a search if swiy is asked by officer, as beltane said

[Nagognog2]

Yes. And no. Us doddering old fossils who are over 30 MAY have developed a different attitude. Some may also live in Ivory Towers with a still limited exposure to the so-called "real world." Some may agree with Porky here. And yet others may have developed a Gestalt overview which allows co-existence with all viewpoints presented without prejudice.

To the latter: It's like a deck of cards. The fool is dealt the hand, while the wise person knows which card to play at any given time.

Go chew on that.

[IntrepidTraveler]

Changing gears: Police Officer, I want to hear more about this quota business. I cross checked what you said about official quotas being illegal, and it checks out. That's very surprising news to me! Many otherwise intelligent and experienced people have told me otherwise--indeed, it seems that it's simply conventional wisdom that cops doll out tickets at the end of the month "just to fill the quota."

So PO, what do police stations do to motivate police to give out enough tickets to make the necessary amount of money? Are unofficial, "unwritten" quotas the norm? Do cops risk losing promotions if they don't hand out enough tickets?

[IntrepidTraveler]

Originally Posted by IntrepidTraveler

So PO, what do police stations do to motivate police to give out enough tickets to make the necessary amount of money? Are unofficial, "unwritten" quotas the norm? Do cops risk losing promotions if they don't hand out enough tickets?

C'mon PO, it's been like 4 days! I want some info

[Police Officer]

Originally Posted by IntrepidTraveler

So PO, what do police stations do to motivate police to give out enough tickets to make the necessary amount of money? Are unofficial, "unwritten" quotas the norm? Do cops risk losing promotions if they don't hand out enough tickets?

Intrepid, you're the Chief of Police in Anytown, U.S.A. What type of things would you do? When it came to "eval" time, or promotion time, what types of things would you recognize as setting one Officer in front of others? I'm curious to know.

No, we dont risk promotions if we dont hand out tickets. Aside from not having insurance, I write maybe 1 ticket every 100 stops for minor traffic infractions. Thats just me though. Unofficial and unwritten quotas are not the norm, and to be honest with you they piss off Cops from what I understand. I know I'd be pretty pissed if someone tried to force some type of quota on me.

[IntrepidTraveler]

With SWIM's unkempt appearance, I think a police officer would be suspicious to see that I had shaving cream just lying around..

[BetteNoir]

"With SWIM's unkempt appearance, I think a police officer would be suspicious to see that I had shaving cream just lying around.."

Good point lol

yes, can of beans and or liquid wrench might suffice lol

[hoodabudda]

^^^^lol guess ur right...swim would just put it in a little travle kit with some soap shampoo and some other stuff thed never know...but a dog.....

[Nagognog2]

He leaned into the (baited with a joint) trunk, with his woofie, of a demented sexual-predator. He is still in the trunk on their way to the secret forest where the sex-preds have their camp. We should be seeing him (and his woofie) on U-Tube soon...

[IntrepidTraveler]

Originally Posted by Nagognog2

He leaned into the (baited with a joint) trunk, with his woofie, of a demented sexual-predator. He is still in the trunk on their way to the secret forest where the sex-preds have their camp. We should be seeing him (and his woofie) on U-Tube soon...

lol. We can only hope! Just kidding, PO...


What are you doing up so early nog (assuming it's early where you're logged in from)? I'm still awake (630 am here) studying for exams..

[pinklepork]

Very informative, thankyou. I have always wondered what to do in these situations.

[Alfa]

Various posts moved here: The support for drug laws
Please get back on topic: Searches and the consent thereof.

[x cynic x]

What is more important, the permission to conduct a search, or the suspicion of illegal substances? Sorry if Swim missed something, but he just needs some clarification.

[chAos]

Originally Posted by x cynic x

What is more important, the permission to conduct a search, or the suspicion of illegal substances? Sorry if Swim missed something, but he just needs some clarification.

whatch the movie Calvin posted: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...6&postcount=51 . Don't give permission to conduct a search, certainly not when you have illegal substances on you and don't give them reasons to suspect you from having them, not giving a permission isn't enough for them to suspect you.

[Nagognog2]

I've been in such situations several times. The old: "This is just a random stop. Can I search your car?" I never have anything of interest. And I never give permission to search. Only rarely have police persued it.

What I find more disturbing (USA) is police asking for my social security number. Social Security was not designed as a national tracking device. Your S.S. number is an open gateway to all things about you: Including identity-theft. You are under no obligation whatsoever to give ANYONE your S.S. number. Not police. Not Department of Motor Vehicles. Not your doctor. No one.

Don't. Got that? Do you have your Social Security card in your wallet? Right now, take it out. Put it in a safe location only you know about. You'll be much safer.

[fromthestars]

Police officer, weather or not police stations have quota's for speeding tickets is a pretty irrelevant point here anyways. What is fact is that many cities have drug units funded on nothing else but the profits of selling stuff you forfeit from dealers. You may very well be a good person, but the fact you take a job where you mindlessly fuck over peoples lives enforcing dumb laws does make you a bit of a

[Flaming is not allowed. Read the rules!]

nomatter what you think.

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[x cynic x]

Originally Posted by fromthestars

Police officer, weather or not police stations have quota's for speeding tickets is a pretty irrelevant point here anyways.

In the paper the other day Swim read about a lawsuit for a police station having quotas. Some patrol men filed the claim Swim believes, and the chief responded by saying "There are no quotas. The amount of tickets and officer writes and the amount of arrests he makes are only crucial criteria in determining rank." That made Swim laugh. Just the clear incentive to punish the innocent.

[TheMorphineMan]

If you get pulled over, it may be best to grab your license and registration, get out of the car, lock the door behind you, and walk to the area between the two cars, and get ready to play the Good Citizen Game. Be friendly, but not "too" friendly, be at ease, and talk to the person behind the badge

In many places, this is NOT a good idea. Many states in the US require you to stay in your vehicle until the officer gives you further instructions. Immediately jumping out of the vehicle may lead the officer to believe you are trying to flee, or, if you are walking back toward his car, the officer may believe you are showing aggression toward him; either way, at this point, they will treat you as a hostile suspect, and you never want this.

[TheMorphineMan]

Some personal experience of mine that may help someone in trouble:

If you have contraband in your vehicle (but not actually on your person), NEVER admit that it's yours or that you know anything about it. As obvious as it may be that it's yours, don't budge. The law in most states says that any contraband found in your vehicle is legally yours, but many DAs may decide not to pursue the case if they can't prove that you actually had knowledge of the item being there (i.e., admitting to it).

[darkglobe]

Would love to see that stand up in court!

"Officer, what on earth are you talking about? A 9 bar taped inside the workings of the driver's door? I haven't the foggiest what you are talking about! *smiles sweetly*"

[TheMorphineMan]

Lol! I kinda meant something under the passenger seat, or in the glove box.

And btw, I apologize to other posters for reiterating that it may not be a good idea to jump out of your car; I missed the other posts in the beginning of the thread that said the same exact thing.