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[pingpong]

Ok so swim had read the topics in this forum about nitrous and got the impression swim would be laughin or trippin

so swim went to the store n bought 6 cans of whipped cream n filled a ballon n tooted it blowin into the baloon and then inhaling in and out til it was all gone. swim felt it and ye it feels pretty good but it only lasted about 20 30 seconds if that n i didnt laugh n i got nothing to what iv heard about these n2onions (which sound delicious i mite add), so swim thought he wud buy a cracker n some 8g chargers, swim got crackin n put 2 chargers in a baloon and tooted it same thing happened but not as good as the whipped cream gas i fink,

is swim doing something wrong??
how much is needed to make swim burst into laughter or atleast get something other than i nice head rush?

and also does anyone have any information on nitrous and asphixiation because i get paranoid

[Paracelsus]

There is no danger of asphyxiation when N2O is used from balloons. Except if one swallows the empty balloon or similar.

Your friend may have trouble getting the N2O into the lungs or keeping it there. It is usually effective to take a large breath, hold it as much as possible, blow it back into the balloon, and then repeat until reality contact is lost. Still, effects may vary. Some people (my pet vampire for example) rarely laugh on N2O.

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Paracelsus

There is no danger of asphyxiation when N2O is used from balloons. Except if one swallows the empty balloon or similar.

Your friend may have trouble getting the N2O into the lungs or keeping it there. It is usually effective to take a large breath, hold it as much as possible, blow it back into the balloon, and then repeat until reality contact is lost. Still, effects may vary. Some people (my pet vampire for example) rarely laugh on N2O.

Don't you run the risk of asphyxiation if you inhale and exhale repeatedly into the balloon though? Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I thought that with each exhalation you increase the ratio of CO2 to nitrous, to the point where excessive inhalations can be unhealthy, especially if you are holding your breath to do so.


To the OP, keep in mind that some nitrous chargers are of lesser quality than others. Maybe try a different brand and swiy will find that the effects are more pronounced. Swim has noticed this in the past, where one brand wouldn't do much for him but another would be awesome. Effects can vary, especially if you start adding other drugs to the mix. Nitrous is amazing on MDMA, cannabis, psychedelics, etc. It makes it much more worthwhile. Perhaps simply getting a little stoned before trying nitrous again will make for a more interesting and appealing experience.

[pingpong]

what about narcosis? ive read that if u become unconsious off n2o then u need to seek medical attention immediatly,

the reason swiy never laughs is because laughter comes in the begining of asphyxia.

im getting alot of different facts from different sources and the whole thing confuses me no1 seems to be sure, no offence to swiy guys ur inputs have been helpful and reasuring.

what brand would swiy recomend ?
what about duration coz swims gettin 20 30 seconds, how about swiy??

[Paracelsus]

Originally Posted by Bajeda

Don't you run the risk of asphyxiation if you inhale and exhale repeatedly into the balloon though? Correct me if I'm mistaken, but I thought that with each exhalation you increase the ratio of CO2 to nitrous, to the point where excessive inhalations can be unhealthy, especially if you are holding your breath to do so.

It is absolutely impossible to asphyxiate if not completely prevented from breathing (like under water, head in a garbage bag, etc.). At some point, your brain tells your consciousness to go fuck itself and takes over, making you breathe. All drowning victims eventually inhale water because no matter how long they try to hold their breath and try to survive, at some point they will inhale. At the point when one passes out on nitrous, the balloon will fly away due to loss of motor control and the user will continue breathing air. Balloons are safe because they don't prevent one from breathing when unconscious (like garbage bags do).

Originally Posted by pingpong

what about narcosis? ive read that if u become unconsious off n2o then u need to seek medical attention immediatly,

Narcosis is often induced in clinical settings (dentistry, surgery, etc.) by N2O. How is one supposed to seek medical attention when unconscious. Unconsciousness/dissociation is a common effect of N2O, although very short-lived.

Originally Posted by pingpong

the reason swiy never laughs is because laughter comes in the begining of asphyxia.

Might be true, but do you think N2O would've become a popular entertainment known as 'laughing gas' if people would've repeatedly died after doing it? I don't think nitrous oxide causes laughter because of asphyxia.

Duration: usually less than a minute.

[pingpong]

sik guy thanks 4 the info.

"High concentrations may cause deep breathing, dizziness, nausea and eventual unconsciousness due to inadequate oxygen supply. Anesthetic effects may occur when mixed with oxygen at a ratio of 80% nitrous oxide to 20% oxygen. Laughter effects seem to occur after incipient asphyxia accompanied by the sudden return of oxygen as in air. Asphyxia will occur due to oxygen exclusion. Maintain oxygen levels above 19.5% at sea level."

found that somewhere cnt remeber wer

will the 16g changers fit my cracker? 8g chargers fit perfect.
what is the difference in 8g and 16g chargers?
do swiy know any good brands??

tell me about some of swiyour trips u sound pretty into the stuff lol

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by Paracelsus

It is absolutely impossible to asphyxiate if not completely prevented from breathing (like under water, head in a garbage bag, etc.). At some point, your brain tells your consciousness to go fuck itself and takes over, making you breathe. All drowning victims eventually inhale water because no matter how long they try to hold their breath and try to survive, at some point they will inhale. At the point when one passes out on nitrous, the balloon will fly away due to loss of motor control and the user will continue breathing air. Balloons are safe because they don't prevent one from breathing when unconscious (like garbage bags do).

Is it very safe to get to the point where your brain says "peace" and ducks out for a bit though? I know you can't kill yourself through asphyxiation with a properly done whippit, but would the continual cycle of breathing in and out of a bag with increasing levels of CO2 until you are on the verge of passing out pose any direct harm to your body?

[Paracelsus]

All chargers are probably at the same pressure, so 16g chargers should be bigger than 8g chargers. The difference between the two lies in the name. 8g chargers contain 8g N2O, 16g chargers contain 16g N2O.

Don't know anything about brands. Where I used to live, nitrous chargers are not available. My pet vampire once ordered some no-name chargers from a site (I can't give you any details here - see rules), but mostly had access to medical grade N2O.

The experience would start with sound warping, then my vampire would feel rushes and quite strong euphoria, and then fall into dissociation until returning to reality shortly after. When using nitrous by tank & mask, the experience lasts as long as one keeps the mask on - but there should always be someone around to decide when it's enough (because the user is dissociated).

EDIT: please use the search engine from now on. Lots of info from this thread has been already covered.

[geezaman]

Without killing yourself through lack of oxygen, SWIM would suggest you could quite easily damage your brain, in a small or large way depending on the extent of the nitrous use.

[Paracelsus]

Baj: It would probably be about as dangerous as holding your breath for the same time. Holding one's breath for a minute may damage/kill some neurons, although I don't know to what extent. I'm pretty sure that the loss of motor control caused by N2O will cause the balloon to fly away before anything serious happens.

[geezaman]

does the anesthesia caused by the nitrous not allow users to hold bigger breaths for longer, so potentially go a little past the stage where they would usually take another breath? Of course SWIM understands and is greatfull for the fact that when conciousness is lost, the body wont continue to hold any breath and normal functioning will continue.

SWIM thiks he may time his breath holding abilities both on an off nitrous to see. just out of interest.

[HandFedFred]

SWIM sometimes does laugh on NO2 and other times doesn't.
It has more to do with what is going on around and the company at the time of inhilation than quantaties inhaled.

[psyche]

Is it very safe to get to the point where your brain says "peace" and ducks out for a bit though? I know you can't kill yourself through asphyxiation with a properly done whippit, but would the continual cycle of breathing in and out of a bag with increasing levels of CO2 until you are on the verge of passing out pose any direct harm to your body?

This is what I was wondering too in another thread. I was left in an impression that no damage can be done, but I'm not still convinced. Brain doesn't shut down unless there is very acute deprivation of oxygen, but how about running with very low oxygen supply(and high co2) for a long time. I've noted this swim fella has a habit of filling balloon after balloon despite, or fueled by, oxygen deprivation as well as nos. So is it possible to cause harm to the brain by holding ones breath for couple of minutes, then having half a minute to minute of not-so-intense breathing(due to nos), and repeating this cycle over and over?

[Paracelsus]

A recent conversation with a neurologist revealed that neurons only start to die after a couple of minutes of not breathing. Given that one falls unconscious before this happens (even without any nitrous), there should not be any danger when balloons are used.

Breathing masks are much more dangerous. One should never use nitrous from a tank via a breathing mask alone. The sitter should remove the mask after max. 1 minute.

[psyche]

^^ Ok, so there's a quite a distinct line of how much co2 and little oxygen brain can do with? Suppose one was to hold his breath near or to the point of passing out, then had a little air and took another balloon, the brain would shut down so much faster this time that the accumulated co2 and o2 deprivation wouldn't be enough to kill neurons? Well, ofcourse there aren't any absolute distinct lines as my neurons are dying all the time, but concluding from this there is a point when the neurons dying -curve takes a steep turn up.

Just had to clear this up as my confidence to the brains ability to cut the consciousness out just before too many neurons are dying isn't that strong. I mean, evolution only thinks about our survival, and evolutionally people would easily do without the perfect functioning of the highest cognitive thinking.

[Paracelsus]

I can imagine the scenario you described possibly leading to brain damage. It would depend on the number of repetitions and the time required to pass out, though.