Drug info - Coca var. Ipadu

[libertassimplex]

Some person who is not, and never was nor will be me got seeds last august. Very fresh, in the berry. They all came up an grew nicely. Not so sure wich cultivar it is, except for the fact that it is a Er. Coca species. From South America. So no Novo.
Rounded leaves make this person think this is the cultivated Erythroxylum Coca var. Ipadu. Known for some less alkaloid content, however of a far greater purity. Anyone who knows anything about Ipadu? So little is to find

[libertassimplex]

So, what cultivar swim's got? Anyone?

[Benga]

this is very hard to tell. Yes, the small rounded leave make swim think of Amazonian coca, which is indeed closely related to erythroxylum coca var. Ipadu.

from what swim remembers it's a variety which was initially growing wild in the Amazon bassin, before being also used elsewhere for commercial / semi commercial applications.

however Ipadu being a kind of cross between Amazonian coca and E. Coca var. Coca., from what swim remembers it's almost quite close to Coca var. Coca, phenotypes are almost identical, but leaf shape does change.

again, this is from memory : there are 4 main coca species used for their high cocaine and cocaine related alkaloid content :

erythroxylum coca var. coca
erythroxylum coca var. ipadu
Huanco coca is a local name one might find for Bolivian coca var. coca species.

and two others who are morphologically distinct from coca var. coca : erythroxylum novogranatense var. novograntense ( origin of Java coca) and erythroxylum novogranatense var. truxillense, which also grow in south america and is actually very present in Peru, also known as Truxillo coca.

the taxonomy of coca is very confusing because a lot of errors have been made in the past, and I'm not so sure. Here is something I found on morphology :

Coca var. coca is also known as Huanco coca, leaves are 3 to 8 cm long, 1.4 to 4 cm wide, petiolated, apex-acute, base tapering, lamina-brown and glabrous, margin entire, midrib prominent on the lower surface with a ridge on its upper surface, apex acute, surface-glabrous, slightly glossy, texture thin, odor-distinct, taste-bitter.

2. Truxillo or Peruvian coca are more or less broken, pale green in color, lamina is 1.6-6 cm long, shape elliptical, margin entire, venation is identical but ridges on lower surface are conspicuous, apex acute, base tapering, surface-glabrous, not glossy, texture-thin, fragile; odor is distinct and taste is bitter.

now small round leaves is also a likely indication that Amazonian coca, which grew wild in the amazon is present in this strain.

I'll try to find more accurate info, had some in the past but it's hard to find.

[libertassimplex]

Thank you, Benga. They're still seedlings, those little plants of SWIM. It still might be possible they turn out to be novo's, but up till now the leaves are broadly elliptic with rounded apex, of course still small leaves. Today SWIM noticed by the way that not all seedlings, however all derived from the same grow by a professional seedgrower, have extremely a rounded apex. Some have, even almost a little bit heart-shaped, but some others tend to have a slight, just slight point at the apex.
One died. From overwatering. So I ate it. Tasted nice.

[hul gil]

the veins in E.VAR NOVO run the length of the leaves no cross veins.

[libertassimplex]

Lines in the length in the few older leaves (+- five weeks-old leaves). Roundish shaped leaves. In the middle of the outer edge some sort small blunt incut, rounding.

[libertassimplex]

"erythroxylum novogranatense var. novograntense ( origin of Java coca)"
Benga
Just past through a partial book on google books about this Java coca. Mentioning that Java coca got the small leaf thing of the Amazonian from it.
And somewhere else read that Ipadu hybrides (Amazonian with I don't know what) started a ten or so years ago to replace the Novogranatense in ill. production fields. Wonder what swim's got.

[novo]

Hi, SWIM most likely has E coca var coca. E coca var ipadu is propagated by cuttings, and the seeds are sterile. E coca is not self fertile, and since ipadu is a clone, it can't reproduce without a different plant. This is the situation in the Peruvian Amazon. The E coca var ipadu in Colombia is a different plant, and is thought to be an E coca (var ipadu?) cross to E novo var truxillense based on chemical composition and experiments with crosses. Only E novo var novo is self fertile. E novo var novo will produce fertile offspring with E novo var truxillense. E coca will cross to E novo var truxillense, but not with E novo var novo. From what I remember reading, E coca will not cross with E coca ipadu, though I can't recalll why. It should as they are both E coca.

Also, the Amazon variety of ipadu is not very alkaloid rich. The people who grow it make padu with it by grinding the leaves to a power and mixing with ash. The entire thing is held in the mouth and eventually consumed and not removed from the mouth like other coca.

[libertassimplex]

That's what I've found as well. Genetically, E Novo and E Coca would have gotten to be too distinct from eachother to cross, while E Coca would be crossable with Truxillo. Indeed. Leaves shaped like Ipadu, therefore often called Ipadu, but in reality possibly a hybrid between Truxillo and Coca, and maybe some other cultivar, perhaps amazonian.
Thanks for your great info