Advice for first time with Salvia Divinorum

[biglifter56]

Swim's dog baxter just wandered upon 3 grams of 6x extract. Baxter has never used salvia before, and was wondering if SWIU have any advice on how to smoke it. Baxter does smoke bud and has a pipe w/ a power hitter, and a toot also. Will these things work for baxter or is there something that would make it better? Also, baxter only has bic lighters because he's a broke dog, will they work for him?

[razorwiredildo]

the best way to do it is with a torch lighter and a bong, but if all swiy has is a bic and a pipe he wll still get high, he just might not trip.
take massive hits and hold them as long as possible.

[Matt The Funk]

Just have SWIY get a torch lighter, and let the salvia take hold of SWIY, don't fight it. Take as many hits as possible in a short amount of time as possible. Hold them in for 25+ seconds.

[FleshJoe]

Butane torch lighters are $6 and less at any headshop, there's really no reason to use anything else if SWIY wants to get the full monty effect.

[biglifter56]

well, swim's dog had a really hard time holding in the hits. swim would get through like 1 and a half then start laughing to hard and let it all out. swim's friend did it and said he left his body and went to a different universe...how can i get that to happen to swim? fwiw, swim only took 10x. he does have 20x but has not tried it yet....

[Matt The Funk]

Extract strength just seems to determine how much you should pack in SWIY's bowl. Personally SWIM just packs full bulls, .5 half a gram, smoke as much of it as SWIM can, and get's taken for a ride to salvias world.

[incognitosheep]

For a first time user, SWIY should remember before smoking Salvia, respect the teacher plant other wise Sally D can get verrrry angry.

[Euthanatos93420]

Don't waste sally man. Torch and Bong are indispensable.

[Jeer]

Originally Posted by euthanatos93420

Don't waste sally man. Torch and Bong are indispensable.

agreed, if swiu doesn't have a bong(swim preferres a smaller bong) and a torch lighter don't bother. swim is set straight with only one or two fat bong rips on it. hold as long as possible, especially if you have extract. Swim preferres 25x. swim has gone pretty out there, make sure swiu has someone to take the bong away immeditly after swiu's second or thrid hit.

I wish swiu a happy experience

[bobmeister]

Hi, newbie here.

I didn't want to start a new thread on this, as I'm sure you get loads on this topic, so I thought I'd post it in here.

SWIM and his friend have got some 20x extract which they are going to try for the first time this weekend. They regularly smoke Cannabis, and have had LSD before, but SWIM isn't really sure what to expect from Salvia. They don't have a sitter as such, but SWIM's friends mum will be in the flat (she is cool with it all ). Are there any tips you could give for helping SWIM and his friend have an enjoyable experience? Any precautions SWIM should take?

P.S. Does anyone else find the smilies in here a bit.. odd...?

[Euthanatos93420]

@bobmeister

As above man, Torch & Bong. You got that? Okay, When swim and his good friend swin Tried Sally for the first time they leapfrogged. Sally has a reverse tolerence principle. Meaning you can smoke a little and let it wear off and then go back for another round and climb a bit higher as if you smoked both hits at once. Make sure swiy's buddy waits for swiy to come down so he can have a sitter too. 'Higher' isn't a great description. Sally is like going waaaaaay off into left field. You can run back and forth across the green all you want but your still in the ballpark. You need to knock it clean out of the field. Swim refers to as 'jumping the fence.' Fortunately you don't need to do it all at once to get the experience. You can kind of walk up and touch the fence first and come back to 'home' before you hit a home run. You will absolutely KNOW when you jump the fence. It's an experience like no other. You can 'get your feet wet' all you want but even that is no preparation for the feel of a lack of existence.

The only real advice I could give anyone is to relax. It can be a scary thing if you're worked up about shit. I don't know because I've never had a bad trip but I think the experience can be corrupted by fear. Most 'bad trips' on sally I've read (and other 'trips' though I've no experience with mush/LSD) have some aspect of fear that has corrupted the 'trip'. As suggested, make sure one is in a relatively safe environment. As in, don't squash big bong hits of 40x on the second floor of an abandoned factory that has holes in the floor the first time you trip. Unless, of course, you know how to handle fear like swim ;-).

[bobmeister]

Lol. Cheers euthanatos. SWIM had good fun with it. It was a little 'scary', but not in a bad way (if you get me) and SWIM tripped balls a little. lol. SWIM and his friend felt a bit like they'd been smoking weed the first time, then the second time they started tripping a bit, but after that (SWIM had been smoking some strong weed too) it just felt like weed, but stronger. SWIM thinks he might try it again some time.

[RaverHippie]

For SWIM the following combination worked well to send SWIM off into neverland.

Pack a full pipe of salvia (5x extract was used). SWIM's friend held the normal bic lighter and was instructed to torch the salvia until SWIM ripped the whole bowl. SWIM exhaled all air then took the biggest hit ever and refused to let any smoke escape his mouth. SWIM doesn't remember if he ever exhaled the smoke because after holding in the smoke that long he was already tripping balls.

Good Day!

[telja munda]

Regular Bic lighters use butane. So why are "butane torch lighters" hotter? What makes them hotter? and how much hotter are they?

[bcubed]

Originally Posted by telja munda

Regular Bic lighters use butane. So why are "butane torch lighters" hotter. What makes them hotter? and how much hotter are they?

"Torch" lighters essentially send out a "jet" of butane that burns blue, as opposed to a standard lighter that sends out a less-energetic, yellow/white flame. In addition to the hotter flame, torch lighters are easier to use outside, esp. in windy conditions.

That said, lizard hasn't really noticed much drop off of effect with a standard lighter, provided that he can keep the flame in continuous contact with the salvia. I also noticed recommendations for a bong: lizard always thought the purpose of a bong was to cool smoke to a palatable level; assuming he can handle the harsher smoke, wouldn't a pipe offer equal effectiveness?

Finally, don't do what lizard did: when using Salvia for the first time, he figured "Hotter is better, right? Well, I'll just use my MAPP brazing and soldering torch!" Not only was this inefficient (turning the plant matter to ash instantaneously), he notcied afterwards he'd burned holes in the brass screen! (Inhalation of metal vapor is a big health no-no). So, don't be that stupid; anything hotter than a torch lighter is too hot!

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by bcubed

That said, lizard hasn't really noticed much drop off of effect with a standard lighter, provided that he can keep the flame in continuous contact with the salvia. I also noticed recommendations for a bong: lizard always thought the purpose of a bong was to cool smoke to a palatable level; assuming he can handle the harsher smoke, wouldn't a pipe offer equal effectiveness?

A local chihuahua tells me that he found standard lighters to work just fine, though torch lighters are easier to use (especially outside in the wind, a preferable environment to artificial indoor settings) and may be more likely to generate effects in novice Salvia users.

The chihuahua also says that he found pipes just as effective as bongs, but that some people aren't able to handle the harsh smoke and thus don't get as effective a trip due to coughing early, not inhaling as much, or not holding the smoke in long enough; so bongs are sometimes a better choice as the chance of a breakthrough is likely higher.

[RaverHippie]

SWIM says the same thing concerning pipes. This is the preferred method of administration. It appears that due to the pipe he has begun to enjoy the physical feelings of the smoke and is capable of inhaling as deeply as if he were breathing normal air. He also notes a slight feeling of local anesthesia where his lips meet the pipe. It almost feels like the physical sensations promoted by menthol or peppermint oil, more testing will reveal if all feeling is lost at that site.

[Euthanatos93420]

Interesting that some actually repute the pipe. Personally Swim finds the bong to be the only way to go. He's got a nicely resinated bud sitting in a stash chamber he's gonna smoke it over should be interesting.

[UpAllNiteOCXTC]

SWIM tried salvia once. She put it in a rather large bong and took about 3 hits which was PLENTY. She was in her own world for probably 8 minutes but it seemed like 8 hours. It was VERY awkward. Swim doesnt suggest trying it...

[DividedReality]

Yea time distortion is interesting, maybe time is a dimension? From the book Tihkal The Continuation, time distortion is described as:

"A mis-perception or distortion concerning the subjective passage of time. With psychedelic drugs, there is almost always a sense that time is passing more slowly then usual. This may be recognized at the golbal level (you mean it's only been an hour since we took this stuff?), at the clock-watching level (Iv'ed been watching the second hand and Iv'ed found I can really slow it down), or at the afferent level (where, for instance, the radio pitch and the pluse rate might appear to have dropped consinderably)."

Another interesting thing is called contact high:

"A common occurence in a group experiment with a psychedelic drug is that a drug-free observer becomes aware that he is experiencing some effects of the material being used by others. The altered state has become contagious. Animals in the household are especially prone to this kind of unintentional participation, usally appering to enjoy it immensely. There is no known scientific explanation for this phenomenon."


So I guess advice for a 1st time user is to keep an open mind with that what have come to know as reality, may infact only be one piece of the puzzle of life, and that when your reality changes, you may or may not be ready for it. But keep in mind that you WILL return to a more 'normal' state of reality, and that you are safe.