Paraphernalia - Breakthrough: potentially cheap potentiation method.

[paranoid_android]

SwiPA is terribly addicted to caffeine. He's fairly broke and will do anything to get it in his body. It's usually coffee, but even now he is chewing a piece of caffeinated gum. If he goes without caffeine of any kind for several hours (4+) he gets very tired, but unable to actually sleep.

SwiPA has found that even though he must have caffeine to even be "normal", it tends to disrupt the nodding effect of opiates. So, he has decided to not ingest caffeine for several hours prior to his opiate dose. His opiate of choice (read: only thing available) is hydrocodone, to the tune of 10/325 Norcos.

SwiPA is fairly convinced that caffeine withdrawal is the most potent potentiator of hydrocodone he has ever experienced. It increases both the intensity and duration of the main nodding/dream-state effect. For the record, he hasn't used the Tagamet method.

SwiPA thought, as many of you readers here may, that something else must be at work here. Perhaps metabolism is reduced to the point that the drug stays in the system longer, and the nodding is just caffeine withdrawal. Or perhaps he underestimates the length of the opiate experience. However, SwiPA is confident in his conclusion that caffeine withdrawal potentiates opiate experiences.

The smoking gun is simple: the biggest difference between opiation and caffeine withdrawal is that opiates create an uncontrollable itching. To make a long story ever so slightly shorter, the itching is still present well past the expected 6 hours of opiate experience. Hours later, it's still working.

SwiPA believes his brain has been fooled by thinking that the caffeine withdrawal is the opiate experience. Essentially, it seems to be a grand and bastardized application of the placebo principal. Let us all remember that the placebo effect is not psychological, but chemical.

Now, SwiPA is acutely aware that the actual neurotransmitter sites and whatnot involved in both drugs are very different.

SwiPA is having trouble telling me this information to type: he dosed at 9:00 p.m. and is nodding hard at 3:00 in the morning.

SwiPA is ecstatic that he found a way to turn the most unpleasant aspect of drug use (withdrawal) into a positive experience.

So. I ask that before any negative criticism is directed my way (or SwiPA's way), please try it out first.

Chemistry comments are welcome, but I already suspect that there is no real connection here.

As an aside: SwiPA is thankful for the analgesic properties of hydrocodone... the quickest method of snapping out of the nod is to slap himself in the face. Honestly I think it's hilarious.

[kratom_]

hmmm maybe thats why i never nod, idk i dont think id want to i like to take 20 mg hydro and thats the best does for me

[addicted2hc]

SWIM is a daily opiate user and 20mg hydro would hardly give me anything. Potentiation does work. 45mg Dex and some Naproxen and SWIM is itching and quite euphoric off of 20mg hydro. (Normal daily opiate use consists of 60mg+ oc)

I don't think that this method of potentiation is a good one to recommend simply because you have to become dependent on something else to use it. How does one become addicted to caffeine anyways? Do you become dependent to it fast?

[paranoid_android]

Believe me, this is absolutely not recommended if SWIY is not already addicted to caffeine. However, about half of us are already addicted to caffeine anyway: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34588

Becoming addicted to caffeine is very simple. Just keep shoveling coffee in your gullet every day and wait. You'll soon begin to notice that caffeine no longer provides the mood lift it once did. I strongly suggest avoiding caffeine on a daily basis. My fiendish friend SwiPA has near ruined several promising opiate experiences just because he took his maintenance dose of caffeine too close to the opie dose.

Then again, some people don't like to nod out on opiates. For them caffeine is a rather ideal substance to kick the euphoria up a notch without resorting to amphetamines or cocaine. I like to call it the poor man's speedball: vicodin and a cup of coffee. Despite his love of the nod, SwiPA has had a great time on this combination. He'll just walk around town and whistle, which is highly unusual for him.

[kratom_]

Originally Posted by paranoid_android

Believe me, this is absolutely not recommended if SWIY is not already addicted to caffeine. However, about half of us are already addicted to caffeine anyway: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34588

Becoming addicted to caffeine is very simple. Just keep shoveling coffee in your gullet every day and wait. You'll soon begin to notice that caffeine no longer provides the mood lift it once did. I strongly suggest avoiding caffeine on a daily basis. My fiendish friend SwiPA has near ruined several promising opiate experiences just because he took his maintenance dose of caffeine too close to the opie dose.

Then again, some people don't like to nod out on opiates. For them caffeine is a rather ideal substance to kick the euphoria up a notch without resorting to amphetamines or cocaine. I like to call it the poor man's speedball: vicodin and a cup of coffee. Despite his love of the nod, SwiPA has had a great time on this combination. He'll just walk around town and whistle, which is highly unusual for him.

idk swim loves the way opiates make him feel, work hard, get things done!! wouldnt want to nod out. lol i would walk around town wisling too. man swi, remember the good days when he first started <--- fucked that up----> i would actualy try and work online and whisle- like everything was peachy- just great-opiates its the kinda drug were you could be pulled over have a OZ mj in the car, and be stone cold. still small talk with the officer

[JaWill88]

swim is somewhat addicted to caffeine. but swim drinks low amounts of it all through the day. not like coffee in the morning or whatever. swim usually drinks like at least 6 or 7 cans of coca cola (pepsi blows a**hole) or mountain dew or something caffeinated throughout the day. although swim went to detox on halloween and got out this morning. caffeine was not allowed. neither was dip (grizzly wintergreen). this made it even worse. but swim pulled some crazy stunt and got into the room where they keep the valuables and got his chew.

[Ididnotinhale]

Originally Posted by JaWill88

swim is somewhat addicted to caffeine. but swim drinks low amounts of it all through the day. not like coffee in the morning or whatever. swim usually drinks like at least 6 or 7 cans of coca cola (pepsi blows a**hole) or mountain dew or something caffeinated throughout the day. although swim went to detox on halloween and got out this morning. caffeine was not allowed. neither was dip (grizzly wintergreen). this made it even worse. but swim pulled some crazy stunt and got into the room where they keep the valuables and got his chew.

THis is a little off topic, but in all of the the rehab centers near where swim lives caffeine is not allowed, but nicotine is. Strange eh? So swim takes it that swiy could also not smoke cigarettes? Also, 6 or seven cans has about 180 mg of caffeine or about 2 cups of coffee, so that addiction isn't that bad.

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Now to a real post:
Does anyone know of a way to instantly get caffeine out of your system, kind of like naxolone for opiates. So one could take it right before taking opiates.
Swim has also heard that caffeine is a great carrier for morphine, so its surprising that caffeine withdrawal works. Swim has heard that a lot of H is cut with caffeine so this further surprises swim.