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Old 30-10-2007, 02:00
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Lightbulb I'm clueless. Ideas for first time.

So, I'll say this, I'm really not much of a drug user. Never did anything hard before. SWIM wants to try making and smoking or snorting about a gram of meth. Probably just once, out of curiousity. What's the easiest way, and more importantly, how much should he do of it?

I couldn't understand any of the ways described in the forum to smoke it (though it sounds like more fun), and couldn't find an answer to the second part. Thanks.
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Re: I'm clueless. Ideas for first time.

prescription methamphetamine comes in 5mg tablets. This is a reasonably safe starting point. Swim doesn't smoke or snort it, only pure and only orally. As far as how to make it...UTFSE, this site is littered with answers to both these questions.

Browse our meth chem forum: http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=64

as well as our rhodium archives: http://www.drugs-forum.com/chemistry/index.html
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Re: I'm clueless. Ideas for first time.

Yeah, swim had figured out how to make it. I was wondering how much quantitatively he should smoke/snort of the stuff made.
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Re: I'm clueless. Ideas for first time.

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Yeah, swim had figured out how to make it. I was wondering how much quantitatively he should smoke/snort of the stuff made.
This depends on the yield.
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Yeah, swim had figured out how to make it. I was wondering how much quantitatively he should smoke/snort of the stuff made.
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This depends on the yield.
This is independent of the yield, how much drug swiy should take shouldn't depend on how much you have (at least if you have a lot, if swiy has little then the thought process is differ and conservation comes into play).

If it is pure, not that much...like I said, rx meth comes in 5 mg doses.

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Methamphetamine Dosage
by Erowid
V1.0 Sep 2003

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Methamphetamine is usually found in the underground markets as powder or crystals. Street meth, like many other street drugs, is often cut or is not meth at all. "Glass" or "Crystal" are terms used to describe street meth that appears as clear crystals instead of powder, reducing the chance that the meth is cut with filler or that it is crushed up amphetamine or methylphenidate (Ritalin) tablets. Street meth dosages vary by how pure the material is, by individual tolerance based on past usage, how frequently it is used, and by differences in individual reaction. Dosages given below are based on pure meth for an infrequent user.

Pharmaceutical methamphetamine, prescribed rarely for obesity and ADD/ADHD, is sold in the US in 5mg and 10mg tablets that are intended to be taken orally (some are sustained release). Dosages of 10-25mg per day are common for prescription pharmaceutical methamphetamine taken orally, usually spread out into two doses.

A common (although unhealthy) use pattern for methamphetamine is to redose repeatedly for several days in a row. Depending on whether the intention is to stay awake, remain euphoric, or attempt to continue getting 'rushing' effects, doses are repeated every 3-8 hours (to stay awake) or every .5 to 4 hours (to remain "high"). Redosing often involves taking the same dose as the initial dose. As redosing continues beyond 48 hours, the dosages tend to go up.

Tolerance to meth's effects -- where larger doses are required to achieve similar effects -- increases with frequency of use and with experience. A new user's 15mg insufflated experience may be very euphoric and stimulating, while a 20mg bump snorted by a regular user may be barely detectable. Chronic, tolerated users' dosages are generally 2-3 times that of those listed below. These heavy users may go through a gram or more per day.

The euphoric feeling associated with strong doses of meth fades quickly and after several doses in a row or using meth on multiple days in a row, much higher doses are necessary to achieve a similar level of feeling happy and upbeat.

MAO inhibitors and CYP450-2D6 inhibitors can increase the effects of methamphetamine and can dangerously inhibit the metabolism of all amphetamines. Some prescription pharmaceuticals are known for producing this effect and new users or users combining herbs, smart drugs, prescriptions, or psychoactive chemicals should be extremely careful of possible interactions.

Please note that there is substantial evidence that toxicity to the brain's dopamine system occurs with high (or repeated) methamphetamine use.

This is a first draft, if you have suggestions, comments, or corrections, please send them to: corrections@erowid.org.

Oral Methamphetamine Dosages
Threshold 5 mg
Light Stimulation 5-15 mg
Common 10-30 mg
Strong (some rushing) 20-50 mg


Onset : 20 - 70 minutes (depending on form and stomach contents)
Duration : 3 - 5 hours
Coming Down : 2 - 6 hours
Normal After Effects : up to 24 hours




Insufflated (Snorted) Methamphetamine Dosages
Threshold 5 mg
Light Stimulation 5-15 mg
Common 10-40 mg
Strong (some rushing) 30-60 mg
Very Strong 50 + mg
Note: doses for street meth or frequent use may be higher (see above)


Onset : 5 - 10 minutes
Duration : 2 - 4 hours
Coming Down : 2 - 6 hours
Normal After Effects : up to 24 hours




Smoked Methamphetamine Dosages
Threshold 5 - 10 mg
Light Stimulation 10 - 20 mg
Common 10 - 40 mg
Strong (some rushing) 30- 60 mg
Very Strong (rushing) 50 + mg
Note: doses for street meth or frequent use may be higher (see above)


Onset : 0 - 2 minutes
Duration : 1 - 3 hours
Coming Down : 2 - 4 hours
Normal After Effects : up to 24 hours




Note: IV users of meth are usually seeking stronger effects than those who use it to treat ADD/ADHD or as a way to stay awake and alert.

Injected (IV) Methamphetamine Dosages
Threshold 5 mg
Light Stimulation 5- 10 mg
Common Stimulant Dose 10- 40 mg
Strong (rushing) 30- 60 mg
Very Strong (strong rushing, intense euphoria) 50- 100 mg
Note: doses for street meth or frequent use are generally higher (see above)


Onset : 0 - 2 minutes
Duration : 1 - 3 hours
Coming Down : 2 - 4 hours
Normal After Effects : up to 24 hours
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Re: I'm clueless. Ideas for first time.

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This is independent of the yield, how much drug swiy should take shouldn't depend on how much you have (at least if you have a lot, if swiy has little then the thought process is differ and conservation comes into play).

If it is pure, not that much...like I said, rx meth comes in 5 mg doses.

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By yield SWIM meant the concentration of the actual methamphetamine within the product.
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Re: I'm clueless. Ideas for first time.

Prolly not the best place to ask but better than starting a totally new thread I suppose.
Anyway, swims really confused over something very simple hes sure.

Just what is the difference between 'Meth' and 'Speed' ? Are they the same thing with different names ? Is speed chemically differnet to meth or is 'speed' just a general slang term for all amps? Swims browsed the forums and been all over google but meth just gets dumped in with the amps and searches for speed seem to bring up meth documents. One confused swim!
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Re: I'm clueless. Ideas for first time.

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Prolly not the best place to ask but better than starting a totally new thread I suppose.
Anyway, swims really confused over something very simple hes sure.

Just what is the difference between 'Meth' and 'Speed' ? Are they the same thing with different names ? Is speed chemically differnet to meth or is 'speed' just a general slang term for all amps? Swims browsed the forums and been all over google but meth just gets dumped in with the amps and searches for speed seem to bring up meth documents. One confused swim!
Speed is basically a general slang term...but it is most often applied to d-meth and d-amp.

There is no one chemical speed.
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Legend, ta =)
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