Combinations - 2c-e+MDMA trip report (ethyl-flipping)

[Samadhi]

Not long ago swim purchased a gram of 2c-e. After about 25 or 30 times (spaced over a half year) of trials and self testing swim decided to try the substance in junction with MDMA because swim wanted to see if he could start a fad of ethyl-flipping (cheeky name...) swim's trip report is as follows

background of trip: nothing eaten for 4 hours, plenty of sleep and well hydrated, lady-friend there with me as sitter just in case.

-0:30 Swim orally ingests dramamine to help with the nausea these drugs can sometime induce.

0:00 ingestion; Swim decided the best way to do this would be like that of a hippy or candy flip; spacing the MDMA until the dose of 2c-e is starting to show signs of the "visual trip"... Swim took the 18 or 20 (swims scale was being fidgety) milligrams into a shot glass filled with orange juice and put it down the hatch. The taste is almost non existent this way and swim happens to love OJ

0:45 after a rousing game of mario cart swim is starting to feel the mind effects of the 2c-e and small visuals start appearing on swims carpet

1:15 Swim decides it is time to pop the MDMA seeing as the visuals are starting to get fired up. Swim gets out his finicky little scale (need a new one) and measures out a 150 mg dose of MDMA and does the OJ shot glass technique to get things rocking

1:30 the trip from the 2c-e is getting pretty good. The visuals of crawling fractal patterns on swims carpet are very fascinating and almost to bright to look at. The body load is a minimal one; some burping and growling in the stomach. Swims body is very tense so swim stretches and moves about slowly so swim can regain comfort.

1:50 The MDMA is starting to set in. Swim has a very unusual tingling in his fingers and swims pupils are starting to wiggle. Everything is BRIGHT and very very colorful... the patterns have engulfed almost everything and surfaces are starting to swirl and switch color hues

2:30 The MDMA has made swim quite euphoric. Swim laid with his lady in a shag carpet like blanket laughing and getting tactile sensations (quite fun ) the patterns have stopped being fractals and more like gigantic wall encompassing rainbow flowers... it is utterly beautiful and swim is very very happy with this experiment.

3:00 swim starts talking with his lady and discussing life and the mechanisms of behavior... it was a rousing conversation and it really helped swim express what he truly felt about humans and human nature. The trip so far has been a lush and unearthly +++ and has opened some new mental doorways for swim and his lady friend. The visuals have been like those of LSD and sometimes resembling mescaline because of their impact on geometric structure. Swim has little body issues mostly just being tense and very stimulated. The euphoria has settled to a dull roar and it is still quite pleasing

4:00 the trip is calming down a little bit and overall reminds swim of candy flips of ye olden days when LSD was readily available to swim. The introspective side of the trip starts now. swim sat meditating and enjoying the beautiful fireworks like CEVs. This was definitely a combo to look more into researching.

5:30 the trip is a + or +and1/2 right now and swim is sitting on the computer typing this out for all to read.

Overall; Definitely a worthwhile endeavor. Swim does not suggest starting at such doses but swim felt he should "go big or go home" (not exactly a good attitude to have with research chems but swim has a good load of experience) The visuals were very good; on par with a good dose LSD or Mescaline experience but with 2c-e's own good flair. the mental side was clear and very open. the MDMA helped with the opening of things swim believes. But swim will keep trying out these things.

the end!

sorry if this is not detailed enough, post some questions and swim will answer them

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Thank you for posting your experience. FYI combinations belong in the combinations forum
	Great report!
	Great report.
	good report

[Perception Addict]

Great report. Could swiy please add

• body weight & gender
• dose taken
• route of administration
• Setting: in what environment it was taken.
• duration of main effects
• main effects
• side effects
• after effects
• rating of the experience
• addictive qualities / abuse potential

to the top of the post for ease of reading? I know some of those questions were answered throughout the report, but having them stated at the top is quite helpful.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Helping keep things organized is good for the site. Thanks

[trptamene]

Thanks for informing him PA.

But it can be difficult to just list

• main effects
• side effects
• after effects
• rating of the experience
• addictive qualities / abuse potential

Here is the format we are asking for experience reports, it is basically as you said.

Originally Posted by me from another post

Please add dosage, route and duration to the top of your post like this:

When posting a experience, please describe:

• body weight & gender
• dose taken
• route of administration
• Setting: in what environment it was taken.
• duration of main effects
• main effects
• side effects
• after effects
• rating of the experience
• addictive qualities / abuse potential
• any other valuable information

I didnt have addictive qualities / abuse potential before, but see alfa wants it added, thanks for bringing this to my attention PA. More editing...
EDIT:

This probably needs to be refined for combination reports as opposed to "true" reports, such that the emphasis is on how the two interact, but many of the same would still apply. The king of egypt does not have enough combination experience to make suggestions as to what it should be, anyone who's lab monkey has much combination experience feel like tackling it?

[Perception Addict]

Originally Posted by trptamene

This probably needs to be refined for combination reports as opposed to "true" reports, such that the emphasis is on how the two interact, but many of the same would still apply. The king of egypt does not have enough combination experience to make suggestions as to what it should be, anyone who's lab monkey has much combination experience feel like tackling it?

Swim's not the best source for firsthand combo experiences either, but a common theme that seems to emerge when reading posts is the intensity of the experience, as compared to experiences with each of the substances separately that were combined. Swim knows this sounds kind of obvious, but it's certainly possible the inexperienced trippers may not realize that mixing substances may result in a much more intense experience and perhaps the trip report could include that info. Dunno about the format, it's kind of a wordy idea, but something about intensity.

[Samadhi]

sorry there guys. swim has updated the report and it is ready to be re-read

thank you for all the comments on it. swim hasn't seen many instances of people writing a report with these two substances so swim experimented and wrote this report.

body weight & gender: male/205lbs/6'1"

dose taken: 18-20mg 2c-e followed by 150mg MDMA

route of administration: oral

Setting: the comfort of swims home, mid afternoon, sunny outside and warm/comfy atmosphere inside.

duration of main effects: 5-7 hours (swim has a fast metabolism for some reason)

main effects
-vivid bright and colorful visuals (in form of fractals and flowers)
-Euphoria and stimulation (brought on by MDMA)
-empathetic qualities and very opening
-comfort in body
-positive outlook
-surreal feelings of amazement and joy
-tactile sensations

side effects
-over stimulation at some points
-light to moderate body load (small gastrointestinal discomfort and muscle tension but as is to be expected with stimulants)
-may be overwhelming for those not experienced with psychedelics
-jaw tension and sore jaw

after effects
-general psychedelic afterglow similar to candy-flip
-general feeling of well-being

rating of the experience: 9/10; it was a fantastic experience but some have been better

addictive qualities / abuse potential: hahaha this does not seem like one for high abuse due to it's overwhelming nature to those who can't face their true selfs or have a problem with ego softening. It hits hard and it is not a comfortable feeling for those not used to things like it.

Note from SWIM: This combo is not to be taken lightly especially at these doses. 2c-e is a very powerful substance and to swim is almost on par with good sized doses of LSD. The 2c-e is very hard-hitting on it's own let alone adding MDMA into the mix. Because of the overwhelming nature of this combo it is not suggested to anyone to repeat this experience without a very detailed knowledge of yourself, the substances being taken, and your reaction to those substances individually. Swim has been experimenting with these two for a good deal of time in controlled settings and sets and took this experiment with precaution and a sitter present for good measure. that being said enjoy swim's less-than-formal trip report.




ETHYL-FLIP (2C-E and MDMA)

Not long ago swim purchased a gram of 2c-e. After about 25 or 30 times (spaced over a half year) of trials and self testing swim decided to try the substance in junction with MDMA because swim wanted to see if he could start a fad of ethyl-flipping (cheeky name...) swim's trip report is as follows

background of trip: nothing eaten for 4 hours, plenty of sleep and well hydrated, lady-friend there with me as sitter just in case.

-0:30 Swim orally ingests dramamine to help with the nausea these drugs can sometime induce.

0:00 ingestion; Swim decided the best way to do this would be like that of a hippy or candy flip; spacing the MDMA until the dose of 2c-e is starting to show signs of the "visual trip"... Swim took the 18 or 20 (swims scale was being fidgety) milligrams into a shot glass filled with orange juice and put it down the hatch. The taste is almost non existent this way and swim happens to love OJ

0:45 after a rousing game of mario cart swim is starting to feel the mind effects of the 2c-e and small visuals start appearing on swims carpet

1:15 Swim decides it is time to pop the MDMA seeing as the visuals are starting to get fired up. Swim gets out his finicky little scale (need a new one) and measures out a 150 mg dose of MDMA and does the OJ shot glass technique to get things rocking

1:30 the trip from the 2c-e is getting pretty good. The visuals of crawling fractal patterns on swims carpet are very fascinating and almost to bright to look at. The body load is a minimal one; some burping and growling in the stomach. Swims body is very tense so swim stretches and moves about slowly so swim can regain comfort.

1:50 The MDMA is starting to set in. Swim has a very unusual tingling in his fingers and swims pupils are starting to wiggle. Everything is BRIGHT and very very colorful... the patterns have engulfed almost everything and surfaces are starting to swirl and switch color hues

2:30 The MDMA has made swim quite euphoric. Swim laid with his lady in a shag carpet like blanket laughing and getting tactile sensations (quite fun ) the patterns have stopped being fractals and more like gigantic wall encompassing rainbow flowers... it is utterly beautiful and swim is very very happy with this experiment.

3:00 swim starts talking with his lady and discussing life and the mechanisms of behavior... it was a rousing conversation and it really helped swim express what he truly felt about humans and human nature. The trip so far has been a lush and unearthly +++ and has opened some new mental doorways for swim and his lady friend. The visuals have been like those of LSD and sometimes resembling mescaline because of their impact on geometric structure. Swim has little body issues mostly just being tense and very stimulated. The euphoria has settled to a dull roar and it is still quite pleasing

4:00 the trip is calming down a little bit and overall reminds swim of candy flips of ye olden days when LSD was readily available to swim. The introspective side of the trip starts now. swim sat meditating and enjoying the beautiful fireworks like CEVs. This was definitely a combo to look more into researching.

5:30 the trip is a + or +and1/2 right now and swim is sitting on the computer typing this out for all to read.

Overall; Definitely a worthwhile endeavor. Swim does not suggest starting at such doses but swim felt he should "go big or go home" (not exactly a good attitude to have with research chems but swim has a good load of experience) The visuals were very good; on par with a good dose LSD or Mescaline experience but with 2c-e's own good flair. the mental side was clear and very open. the MDMA helped with the opening of things swim believes. But swim will keep trying out these things.

the end!

sorry if this is not detailed enough, post some questions and swim will answer them

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Sounds wonderful! Thanks for sharing
	Good reporting. Thanks.

[Perception Addict]

Beautiful! p.s. the name is pretty catchy

[Samadhi]

I know! I'm kinda proud of that name personally

[trptamene]

Originally Posted by samadhi123

sorry there guys. swim has updated the report and it is ready to be re-read

thank you for all the comments on it. swim hasn't seen many instances of people writing a report with these two substances so swim experimented and wrote this report.

body weight & gender: male/205lbs/6'1"

dose taken: 18-20mg 2c-e followed by 150mg MDMA

route of administration: oral

Setting: the comfort of swims home, mid afternoon, sunny outside and warm/comfy atmosphere inside.

duration of main effects: 5-7 hours (swim has a fast metabolism for some reason)

main effects
-vivid bright and colorful visuals (in form of fractals and flowers)
-Euphoria and stimulation (brought on by MDMA)
-empathetic qualities and very opening
-comfort in body
-positive outlook
-surreal feelings of amazement and joy
-tactile sensations

side effects
-over stimulation at some points
-light to moderate body load (small gastrointestinal discomfort and muscle tension but as is to be expected with stimulants)
-may be overwhelming for those not experienced with psychedelics
-jaw tension and sore jaw

after effects
-general psychedelic afterglow similar to candy-flip
-general feeling of well-being

rating of the experience: 9/10; it was a fantastic experience but some have been better

addictive qualities / abuse potential: hahaha this does not seem like one for high abuse due to it's overwhelming nature to those who can't face their true selfs or have a problem with ego softening. It hits hard and it is not a comfortable feeling for those not used to things like it.

Note from SWIM: This combo is not to be taken lightly especially at these doses. 2c-e is a very powerful substance and to swim is almost on par with good sized doses of LSD. The 2c-e is very hard-hitting on it's own let alone adding MDMA into the mix. Because of the overwhelming nature of this combo it is not suggested to anyone to repeat this experience without a very detailed knowledge of yourself, the substances being taken, and your reaction to those substances individually. Swim has been experimenting with these two for a good deal of time in controlled settings and sets and took this experiment with precaution and a sitter present for good measure. that being said enjoy swim's less-than-formal trip report.




ETHYL-FLIP (2C-E and MDMA)

Not long ago swim purchased a gram of 2c-e. After about 25 or 30 times (spaced over a half year) of trials and self testing swim decided to try the substance in junction with MDMA because swim wanted to see if he could start a fad of ethyl-flipping (cheeky name...) swim's trip report is as follows

background of trip: nothing eaten for 4 hours, plenty of sleep and well hydrated, lady-friend there with me as sitter just in case.

-0:30 Swim orally ingests dramamine to help with the nausea these drugs can sometime induce.

0:00 ingestion; Swim decided the best way to do this would be like that of a hippy or candy flip; spacing the MDMA until the dose of 2c-e is starting to show signs of the "visual trip"... Swim took the 18 or 20 (swims scale was being fidgety) milligrams into a shot glass filled with orange juice and put it down the hatch. The taste is almost non existent this way and swim happens to love OJ

0:45 after a rousing game of mario cart swim is starting to feel the mind effects of the 2c-e and small visuals start appearing on swims carpet

1:15 Swim decides it is time to pop the MDMA seeing as the visuals are starting to get fired up. Swim gets out his finicky little scale (need a new one) and measures out a 150 mg dose of MDMA and does the OJ shot glass technique to get things rocking

1:30 the trip from the 2c-e is getting pretty good. The visuals of crawling fractal patterns on swims carpet are very fascinating and almost to bright to look at. The body load is a minimal one; some burping and growling in the stomach. Swims body is very tense so swim stretches and moves about slowly so swim can regain comfort.

1:50 The MDMA is starting to set in. Swim has a very unusual tingling in his fingers and swims pupils are starting to wiggle. Everything is BRIGHT and very very colorful... the patterns have engulfed almost everything and surfaces are starting to swirl and switch color hues

2:30 The MDMA has made swim quite euphoric. Swim laid with his lady in a shag carpet like blanket laughing and getting tactile sensations (quite fun ) the patterns have stopped being fractals and more like gigantic wall encompassing rainbow flowers... it is utterly beautiful and swim is very very happy with this experiment.

3:00 swim starts talking with his lady and discussing life and the mechanisms of behavior... it was a rousing conversation and it really helped swim express what he truly felt about humans and human nature. The trip so far has been a lush and unearthly +++ and has opened some new mental doorways for swim and his lady friend. The visuals have been like those of LSD and sometimes resembling mescaline because of their impact on geometric structure. Swim has little body issues mostly just being tense and very stimulated. The euphoria has settled to a dull roar and it is still quite pleasing

4:00 the trip is calming down a little bit and overall reminds swim of candy flips of ye olden days when LSD was readily available to swim. The introspective side of the trip starts now. swim sat meditating and enjoying the beautiful fireworks like CEVs. This was definitely a combo to look more into researching.

5:30 the trip is a + or +and1/2 right now and swim is sitting on the computer typing this out for all to read.

Overall; Definitely a worthwhile endeavor. Swim does not suggest starting at such doses but swim felt he should "go big or go home" (not exactly a good attitude to have with research chems but swim has a good load of experience) The visuals were very good; on par with a good dose LSD or Mescaline experience but with 2c-e's own good flair. the mental side was clear and very open. the MDMA helped with the opening of things swim believes. But swim will keep trying out these things.

the end!

sorry if this is not detailed enough, post some questions and swim will answer them

EXCELLENT!!! This is above and beyond what we are looking for.

[RaverHippie]

sounds like a great time, SWIM is about to come into the combination and will tuck this away for a special occasion.