Combinations - Visual combination: ketamine + lorazepam UPDATE

[doppey]

Long post but if you want the some of the most INTENSE visuals of your life read it.

SWIM has recently discovered a drug combo that provides some of the most INCREDIBLE and realistic open eye visuals he's ever experienced. I'll give a couple examples later in this thread. This combo is Ketamine and Lorazepam. He says that after administering ketamine intranasally (snorting) 1 hour after sublingual lorazepam (under the tongue) he was catapaulted into a rainbow coloured world of intense, realistic (but formed of pixel-like coloured dots), open-eye hallucinations.

They are very similar to those experienced with high-dose lorazepam (for those that have expereinced this) Although MUCH more intense, but they seem to be able to be achieved by anyone. (Even those who cant trip off benzos.)

As an example, SWIM's computer screen became a swirling mass of colours, which became soap bubbles popping and flying out of it, which then became a waterfall flowing right down the desk onto him! It goes as far as seeing little peolpe walking around the room (a couple inches tall) and the whole visual field is FILLED with this kinda shit, I mean FILLED!

The hallucinations can also be controlled by thought (If you imagine it you can actually see it.) This is the most mindblowing thing SWIM or his friends have ever experienced. Best part is theres no headfuck at all (Seems to kill all the mental effects of the K, so it hasn't been scary or unsettling to anyone who's tried it yet, which is over 10 people SWIM has showed.)

This is by far provided the most visually interesting drug expereinces SWIM has ever achieved. He can't however comment on the safety but breathing didn't seem to be effected at all.

Sorry if there was a little bit of rambling in this post but SWIM is a little opiated. Please respond if and when you try this. You WON'T be dissappointed.

Peace

Reputation Comments on this post:

thanks for sharing your experience

[zyxz]

what kind of dosage would SWIY recommend for each may i ask?

[arman]

seems interesting, SWIM might give it a try, when he finds the time.

Please post dosage and your tolerance (if any), it is really important

[enquirewithin]

Ketamine is one of the most visual of drugs so it's not surprising that it produces intense and numerous OEVs. It does that by itself. What surprises my monkey is that a benzo would help, rather than kill ketamine's visual effects. Ketamine, combined with stimulants, is well known for it's overpowering visual aspects-- OEV or CEV, if you can tell which is which.

[zyxz]

With K by itself SWIM tends to get more delusions, people doing strange shit, duplicating, heads appearing on others body's, guy walks out one door while walking in other at the same time. Is this like these delusions or hallucinations like a hallucinogen? ....hope that makes sense to some of u.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by zyxz

With K by itself SWIM tends to get more delusions, people doing strange shit, duplicating, heads appearing on others body's, guy walks out one door while walking in other at the same time. Is this like these delusions or hallucinations like a hallucinogen? ....hope that makes sense to some of u.

My monkey has never had experienced such delusions with ketamine. His visuals have been of a far more unearthly nature, not involving people but other realities. He takes benzos to get to sleep, as ketamine tends to make sleeping difficult, and, although the visuals persist for a while, he soon goes to sleep!

[Agent Subby]

Originally Posted by Nackrite

any dosage on this Lorazepam/Ketamine cocktail...im considering giving it a try.

Yep ativan (lorazepam) is oe of the most hynoptic benzos out there so if SWIM aint got a benzo habit then stick to a low dose. (2mg max).

Originally Posted by zyxz

With K by itself SWIM tends to get more delusions, people doing strange shit, duplicating, heads appearing on others body's, guy walks out one door while walking in other at the same time. Is this like these delusions or hallucinations like a hallucinogen? ....hope that makes sense to some of u.

That sounds like some serious cut K to me.

[PolyFractus]

Yeah I can see this happening cause SWIM experienced his most visual DXM trip on only 600 mg DXM and 2 mg Clonazepam (and no tolerance to benzos). Grape juice potentiation is nothing compared to Clonazepam.

[Lehendakari]

They are very similar to those experienced with high-dose lorazepam (for those that have expereinced this) Although MUCH more intense, but they seem to be able to be achieved by anyone. (Even those who cant trip off benzos.)

I've read a few reports of people tripping on benzos.... SWIM has tripped midly on zolpidem but never on benzos. Interesting report....

[zyxz]

well SWIM did take it at a party with friends he trusted so there was plenty of people moving around.

[arman]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

Ketamine is one of the most visual of drugs so it's not surprising that it produces intense and numerous OEVs. It does that by itself.

Thats your monkey's experience, for most ppl SWIM know and SWIM himself there is no OEV with K. SWIM had a lot K experiences ranging from low doses (e.g. 30mg IM) to K-hole doses but never had any OEV. SWIM is too disconnected from this world too see or hear anything, in k-hole everything takes place in a completely different world. SWIM only have some delusions after coming down from k-hole, but no hallucination, nothing like what described by SWIdoppey.

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

My monkey has never had experienced such delusions with ketamine. His visuals have been of a far more unearthly nature, not involving people but other realities. He takes benzos to get to sleep, as ketamine tends to make sleeping difficult, and, although the visuals persist for a while, he soon goes to sleep!

SWIM experiences other realities like your monkey, but when he comes back from K-hole there is no visuals. SWIM suspects that your monkey gets that visuals because of the benzo he takes for sleepin.

Those who their monkey experienced this combination please post if this combination does or does not work for them, plz include the dosage and details.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by arman

Thats your monkey's experience, for most ppl SWIM know and SWIM himself there is no OEV with K. SWIM had a lot K experiences ranging from low doses (e.g. 30mg IM) to K-hole doses but never had any OEV. SWIM is too disconnected from this world too see or hear anything, in k-hole everything takes place in a completely different world. SWIM only have some delusions after coming down from k-hole, but no hallucination, nothing like what described by SWIdoppey.


SWIM experiences other realities like your monkey, but when he comes back from K-hole there is no visuals. SWIM suspects that your monkey gets that visuals because of the benzo he takes for sleepin.

Those who their monkey experienced this combination please post if this combination does or does not work for them, plz include the dosage and details.

My monkey thinks that K is the most visual drug he has ever experienced, but is really quite interested in this idea of lorezapam and K. Any more details anyone?

[Nackrite]

any dosage on this Lorazepam/Ketamine cocktail...im considering giving it a try.

[rxbandit]

swim just ran out of his S-ket last night but once he obtains some more he will try this combination and post about it.

swim thinks the release of inhibitions from lorazepam could possibly let the mind drift deeper into the hole with less resistance. swim has found the visuals are what swiy makes them...

[Powder_Reality]

SWIM finds that ketamine makes him feel slightly depressed and/or anxious while coming down. He would be interested to see if a combination of lorazepam and ketamine would eliminate these negative side-effects, as well as make the ketamine experience flow "smoother".

SWIM's only concern is that mixing a benzodiazepine with ketamine could possibly suppress breathing or heart rate to a dangerous level. Ketamine itself does not considerably suppress breathing or heart rate, correct? Would adding lorazepam to the mix be a dangerous combination in that it could increase the suppression of breathing/heart rate?

It sounds like an interesting combination, but SWIM would like to verify whether or not it is a safe combination before trying it out for himself.

[doppey]

VERY sorry for not repsonding to this again. Lorazepam dosage to reach full visuals for someone with a baseline tolerance seems to be 2mg Lorazepam and 50-100mg of Ketamine. 2mg seems to be nessecary for someone of normal tolerance but stick to about half your usual "recreational" dose (SWIM would NOT do this if his dose was above 2mg.). With the Ketamine it seems that almost any amount will bring on visuals and it's easy to redose so start small.

In SWIM and many others expereience there is litte to no appreciable respiratory depression or changes in heart rate. (As is the norm with Ketamine and lorazepam in "average" doses.) But results may very. SWIM is confident enough in his own findings to use the combination and he is noramlly quite careful but you are your own keeper.

PLEASE be safe with this as there isn't any info SWIM can find though he has heard of Benzos being mixed with Ketamine during surgical procedures etc. (Under close medical supervision.)

Good luck in your travels and feel free to PM me or post with any further questions.

Peace,
JJ

[enquirewithin]

My horse has tried this combination (he often use benzos to come down from ketamine and get some sleep anyway).

Lorezapem doesn't stop ketamine visuals, and may slightly add to them, but is very similar to taking diazepam with K (nitrezapam knocks him out quickly). You get more relaxed and can sleep later on.

My horse says that he gets enormous amounts of visual effects from ketamine anyway and says lorezapam does not enhance the experience, rather takes away the exciting edge, but is good for a soft landing!

[doppey]

The effects SWIM speaks of have NOTHING to do with the effects of ketamine or lorazepam. SWIM doesn't deny that it didn't work for SWIEW but as has been said it has worked for SWIM and many others without fail.

Swim would advise any other SWIMmers to try it for themselves before putting it off to the effects of the Ketamine or Lorazepam. Once the experience is achieved there is NO doubt that either drug could not produce these effects on it's own.

It should also be noted that the lorazepam dose seems to be higher for regular users of benzos or those with natural tolerance, however caution is advised as this is somewhat unexplored territory.

[enquirewithin]

Not quite sure what SWID is saying. That the combination of ketamine and lorezapam (but not any other benzodiazepine) has synergistic effects, especially visuals, totally different from the effects of ketamine?

(By the way my horse is not a regular user of benzos-- he has no interst in them except to help him sleep occasionally.)

[arman]

SWIM tried this, last night, nothing special. I mean SWIM doesn't seems to lose connection with reality. He ingested 2.5mg Lorazepam and after 1:30 he injected (IM) 40mg K. Before taking the K injection he was sleepy but not much, after injection SWIM starts seeing with double-vision, then lied on bed and the ceiling seems to have big waves and comes down to SWIM. he doesn't have much memory from after that. But SWIM knows that he saw nothing particularly interesting, but it was a different experience certainly. The only thing that prevents SWIM from trying it with higher K doses is that it made him sleep 12 hours, and still feels sleepy. Oh shit, SWIM dosn't like this fucking state. Fcukit