Combinations - Ketamine in the wake of E/MDMA

[Conkermon]

SWIM has always had a problem after taking E/MDMA where he vomits. Usually a few hours after taking the first pill he begins to feel ill and usually vomits at some point.

SWIM is going to a rave soon and it's a relatively long coach ride away, he was wondering if he attained some Ket how likely is it that taking K on the coach back will nullify his sickness and make him feel less grimey on the journey home?

SWIM is aware that mixing any drugs is risky, is a very experienced E/MDMA user but has never taken K (although he will before the rave).

Alternatively, how would taking K at the rave be? He is aware that many clubbers do take K in the clubs and was wondering if only taking periodic bumps he would have an enjoyable time? Although everyone has a different experience, some opinions would be very much appreciated.

[zyxz]

Why do u think k would be a good idea to nulify sickness of MDMA?
SWIM believes K should only be used in larger doses in a safe environment to reach k-hole, else u might as well get wasted on something else, since all u`ll get is a bit of a drunk feeling.

[Revancheshepherd]

SWIM has taken K and MDMA at the same time, not sure if K actually subsides stomach problems... however, SWIM knows that many ravers DO in fact use both in conjunction and most are fine... however SWIM would be careful on the K dosage. Hope this helps in anyway

[Conkermon]

Cheers guys appreciate it! Well SWIM thought it'd be a good idea to make the journey a tad more bearable, what with it being a tranquiliser he figured it'd, well, in a sense sedate him.

Does Ket cause nausia? If so then it'd probably not be the best idea...

Anyway SWIM is planning to try some tomorrow to get an idea what it's like and of the suitability of doing it in a club, he's excited cause he's never done it before and says a report will follow

[zyxz]

I think SWIY should try an antinausia or vomitting medication, such Dimenhydrinate however PLEASE PLEASE stick to suggested dosage and do not use a recreational dose as this will trip u the hell out in a bad way.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by Conkermon

SWIM has always had a problem after taking E/MDMA where he vomits. Usually a few hours after taking the first pill he begins to feel ill and usually vomits at some point.

SWIM is going to a rave soon and it's a relatively long coach ride away, he was wondering if he attained some Ket how likely is it that taking K on the coach back will nullify his sickness and make him feel less grimey on the journey home?

SWIM is aware that mixing any drugs is risky, is a very experienced E/MDMA user but has never taken K (although he will before the rave).

Alternatively, how would taking K at the rave be? He is aware that many clubbers do take K in the clubs and was wondering if only taking periodic bumps he would have an enjoyable time? Although everyone has a different experience, some opinions would be very much appreciated.

Keep the does of K very low if taking it at a rave or disco. Take too much, people can fall over. etc.

[Conkermon]

Originally Posted by zyxz

I think SWIY should try an antinausia or vomitting medication, such Dimenhydrinate however PLEASE PLEASE stick to suggested dosage and do not use a recreational dose as this will trip u the hell out in a bad way.

Hey there's an idea. I'll tell SWIM and I'm sure he'll look into it.

Yeah enquire, SWIM told me he was at a rave once and everyone thought this guy was dead but he'd actually gone into a K-hole, when he came round he was chucked out. SWIM doesn't want this to happen to him!

[Conkermon]

I know it's hard to tell but do ya reckon a regular does of Dimenhydrinate would have adverse effects on SWIM due to K and possibly E being in his system?

[rocksmokinmachine]

As previously mentioned take only very very small bumps of K. Just to give SWIY an idea, he should stick his finger in the bag, then sniff the ketamine from his finger.

The biggest mistake first time users do is take lines the size of ones average cocaine/amphetamine line, and slip into a K-hole in the middle of a rave, which would leave SWIY open to attack, robbery...etc. I need not say more.

[meep]

Originally Posted by rocksmokinmachine

slip into a K-hole in the middle of a rave

The amount of zoned out people swims sees on dance floors is unreal.

Try eating a little something with your MDMA, swim has a friend that is sick if he doesn't eat with MDMA, swim has always assumed the MDMA burns his stomach or something. Chewing gum although good for the jaw seems to be adverse to empty stomachs.

Swim would be intrested to see where this goes for you, good luck!

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by vuue

The amount of zoned out people swims sees on dance floors is unreal.

Usually the experienced keta-fiends

[meep]

the experienced ones? Is this something worth trying then? Swim hasn't got round to K, and always thought it would turn him into a dribbling fly catcher. Swim will be looking into this =)

[rocksmokinmachine]

Ketamine is a very powerful drug remember. Used in a rave environment it works very well with MDMA, in small doses (20-30mg) it creates a sort of strobe effect for SWIM.

SWIM uses higher doses (100mg) to chill out afterwards, and likes to slip into a K-hole listening to the warped, mellow, minimal beat.

[Conkermon]

Hmm just saw someone linked to this so figured I'd update it.

Well SWIM went to the rave and in the end he didn't take MDMA/E at all, he just drank a moderate amount of booze and him and a friend decided to do a couple of bumps of K towards the end as they were feeling a bit fucked from raving too hard..

Well - the K solved that! They both felt much better and the K seemed to stop their limbs aching so that they could carry on until the rave finished - it is now SWIMs favourite drug (in small doses), unfortunately he can rarely get his hands on any.

As this thread is about K after MDMA I'll write about a time that SWIM did that as well:

It was at a friends house, he did one big MDMA bomb along with two random pills and was flying. He also did some speed (for the first time, though he's not sure if it was real - it smelt almost flowery and he couldn't tell if it was having an impact on him, nor could his mates - any ideas?).

Well, when the MDMA/E was wearing off, he and a friend took 2 valiums and did a medium sized line of K. However, this was probably not the best idea as SWIM forgot that he had done the K and when it started kicking in thought that his brain was fucked from taking all these different drugs throughout the night, it was a wierd experience..

However, he would do it again when he was a bit less fucked up as he really thinks that K is a great way to keep yourself going when the more powerful drugs have stopped working.

[Nose Dive]

Just as a side note, my Bill says Ketamine on road journeys is quite surreal, specially at night. My gods, My Bill remember one car trip in particular that was incredibly intense. He says it was like a rollercoaster or a spaceship with lights everywhere.

[Panacea]

Originally Posted by Conkermon

SWIM has always had a problem after taking E/MDMA where he vomits. Usually a few hours after taking the first pill he begins to feel ill and usually vomits at some point.

SWIM is going to a rave soon and it's a relatively long coach ride away, he was wondering if he attained some Ket how likely is it that taking K on the coach back will nullify his sickness and make him feel less grimey on the journey home?

SWIM is aware that mixing any drugs is risky, is a very experienced E/MDMA user but has never taken K (although he will before the rave).

Alternatively, how would taking K at the rave be? He is aware that many clubbers do take K in the clubs and was wondering if only taking periodic bumps he would have an enjoyable time? Although everyone has a different experience, some opinions would be very much appreciated.

Firstly, SWIM would not recommend taking ketamine in a club until one if used to the effects, as otherwise they can be very confusing. Also it would be easy to take too much as the nill-tolerance of someone who is new to ketamine will mean they require much smaller quantities then an experienced K user to reach a desired effect. Therefore SWIM recommends that one should only take K in clubs when one knows their own limits and what to expect. Otherwise if one accidently consumes too much it will leave the person very vunerable and unable to react to things happening in the club, as well as them probably feeling very disorientated and not enjoying the night as much.

Secondly, SWIM has the same problem of being sick when coming up on MDMA and finds a small amount of ketamine, an amount with very subtle effects, is enough to help minimise sick feelings during the come up. However this requires timing, otherwise SWIM finds that the ketamine can wear off before the MDMA has begun working. And yes, SWIM feels ketamine makes one feel much less "grimey" on the comedown. SWIM feels this sort of use in a safe environment for an inexperienced user would initially be more appropriate than in the club.

Originally Posted by zyxz

Why do u think k would be a good idea to nulify sickness of MDMA?
SWIM believes K should only be used in larger doses in a safe environment to reach k-hole, else u might as well get wasted on something else, since all u`ll get is a bit of a drunk feeling.

SWIM feels that this is not entirely correct although SWIM understands the drunk feeling mentioned. However SWIM finds that when used in conjuntion with MDMA, ketamine is small-medium quantities has very different effects to "drunk".

[Conkermon]

Nice post Parcel, SWIM is going to be relying on K to keep him going when he attends a 2 day dance festival and is confident that it will do the trick. SWIM also sometimes feels ill when he is well into the roll (nausea, time going slowly, lost the desire to dance, often trippy and usually vomiting). The result of taking too much throughout the night? Or do you think something like too much/not enough water? As I've said, SWIM is an experienced roller but the seeming randomness of being ill has always perplexed him, so hopefully you can provide some insight.

Thanks.

[pinkandfluffy]

Originally Posted by Conkermon

Nice post Parcel, SWIM is going to be relying on K to keep him going when he attends a 2 day dance festival and is confident that it will do the trick. SWIM also sometimes feels ill when he is well into the roll (nausea, time going slowly, lost the desire to dance, often trippy and usually vomiting). The result of taking too much throughout the night? Or do you think something like too much/not enough water? As I've said, SWIM is an experienced roller but the seeming randomness of being ill has always perplexed him, so hopefully you can provide some insight.

Thanks.

Some of the symptoms described seem to be about taking too much. It is sometimes said, less is more. Do you have any idea how many mg of MDMA swiy is actually taking? Or how many of what strength pills?
That said, swiy could stave it off with another MDMA boost

[Panacea]

SWIM also sometimes feels ill when he is well into the roll (nausea, time going slowly, lost the desire to dance, often trippy and usually vomiting). The result of taking too much throughout the night? Or do you think something like too much/not enough water? As I've said, SWIM is an experienced roller but the seeming randomness of being ill has always perplexed him, so hopefully you can provide some insight.

It may be a combination of all those things or swiy may find it makes little difference. Swim finds that there is definitely a correlation between the more is taken the worse the sickness, but then again the sickness may still occur on very small doses. With time however this feeling becomes more controllable, especially with the smaller doses. Therefore giving swim time to either go sit down take deep breaths and avoid it, or enough time to go to the toilets and be sick with no mess anywhere.

Often swim finds that this vomit consists of mainly water. swim drinks lots of water when out and has noticed that sometimes she will suddenly feel very thirsty, drink lots of water, and this can trigger the sickness. however she feels pleanty of water is much better than too little, as the sickness may occur anyway and is much more unpleasant if there is barely anything in the stomach.

Swim has a few friends who have the same thing happen with MDMA and has heard of a lot of people experiencing it. People seem to refer to it as "coming up sickness" although it doesnt necessarily occur at the come up, more when one feels they are rushing a lot.

unfotunately swim doesnt think there is much that can be done about it expect learn how ur body works, read the signals, and if you feel it happening sit down, get fresh air, breath deeply, and hopefully it will pass.

swim has just had to accept this happens to her on nights out. she always feels brilliant after being sick and fine to carry on like normal so does not view it as a major problem. It is just embarrassing for swim when it catches her off guard and she is sick in front of people/friends, especially as they assume she has had too much, make a fuss, etc.

Originally Posted by pinkandfluffy

Some of the symptoms described seem to be about taking too much. It is sometimes said, less is more. Do you have any idea how many mg of MDMA swiy is actually taking? Or how many of what strength pills?
That said, swiy could stave it off with another MDMA boost

yeah the trippyness and other things swiy described do seem to be related to maybe doing a bit too much. Depends on how much swiy is tripping! lots from just MDMA=probably too much MDMA!

The vommiting may not be that directly related to dose if it happens to someone, as swim has had a v.small dose of 50mg before and been sick. She feels fine otherwise, can handle the effects totally well and is not overwhelmed in anyway, yet is just sick!

This is sometimes frustrating as it does get worse with larger doses yet swim needs to do doses like this to get the desired level of effect from the MDMA.

x

[Conkermon]

Yeah SWIM says that for him it is usually very liquidy vomit (sometimes including stomach acid, disgusting I know). He says that next time he will stick to a structured re-dosing plan (1 bomb/pill every 1.5-2 hours?) so as to avoid too much E/MDMA, and avoid gulping down lots of water. Hopefully that will allow him to remain flying for an entire night and when it finally wears off he'll do a bump of K to make the comedown better

He also thinks it might possibly be a psychological effect, as, he finds that once he starts thinking about feeling ill (particularly at a rave) he feels the need to sit down and take a break and then once he sits down he loses the desire to get up and dance again so he ends up inside his head tripping out and worrying, so maybe if he tries to somehow relax more then that will address the problem.

Regarding how much he takes, well with MDMA he averages a little under a 1/2g a night, and that did make him feel ill the last time he did it, but I don't think he actually vomtied, just felt like he would and as a result he lost the ability to communicate with his friends and enjoy himself for the night.

With E he says it depends on how good they are, when he was first into pills he used to take very few but then as time went on he ended up doing a stupid amount (but not ridiculously stupid), so next time he gets pills he'll only do 3 or 4 and hopefully that will have the desired effect.

Thanks.

[Lettish]

Swim is confused because this topic is called "Ketamine in the wake of E/MDMA" and therefore means, ketamine after E/MDMA, does it not? For example Swiy has the wake of a funeral, i.e, the bit afterwards.

Perhaps it's just gone off topic, Swim doesn't know. However, ketamine is definitely best after a session with ecstasy. Swim's hallucinations and CEVs are much stronger when he has been using pills; they are more defined, much clearer, more crazy, just 100x better.

If Swim took ketamine whilst completely sober (not alcohol related) then the CEVs and hallucinations would be weak, no matter how much ketamine he has.

Meanwhile, if Swiy is worried about sickness - ginger biscuits. Scoff a couple of three ginger biscuits and that will settle your stomach. But you will find that most people feel very very nauseous after popping pills, waiting to come up, it's just a common side-effect. A lot of people also poo. Swim has the worst come-up poos ever; they stink!

[Conkermon]

Lol SWIM has "euphoric shits" as well

As wierd as it sounds he kind of enjoys them, just when everything is kicking in doing something as normal as sitting on the toilet kind of prepares him for how mad everything is about to become.

It has gone kind of off topic, but the reason SWIM was originally considering taking K was to combat the nausea experienced in the wake of E/MDMA and as he is now loving Ketamine he was still hoping to address the problem, but if it is a common side effect he will have to just deal with it.