Drug info - Zopiclone (Imovane, Lunesta)

[pipolito]

My monkey can get Imovane (Zopiclone), could he get something nice from this thing ? What about the dosage he should take ? He told me it was similar to Lunesta. Thanks for him

[staples]

Lunesta gave me fucked up nightmares

It's not listed as a side effect, but my friend's cousin said she, too, had nightmares on Lunesta


Ambien is much better, IMHO of course.

[Jatelka]

Zopiclone also gave my flamingo hideous nightmares, and terrifying sleep paralysis/night terrors.

[pipolito]

Thanks

[Solinari]

I got prescribed Zopiclone (or Zimovane in the UK) and while they worked, they were rather horrible. Even if you don't taste the tablet when swallowing it (which is nasty), when it starts to work you still get the horrible taste i can only describe as Zimmy breath (Zimmies is a nick name for them in the UK).

If i remember correctly, it's like a metallic menthol taste, like when you eat a strong mint and breath in you can sort of 'feel' the taste, it's hard to describe. I think this is unavoidable, must be something to do with the drug in your blood and having an effect on your taste buds or something like that.

As for recreational use, my friend told me it's similar to hypnotic benzodiazepines such as tamazepam. That said, my friend told me that it isn't as good but still gets one pretty zonked if one were to take enough.

[pipolito]

i think ill ask my doctor to change it for an Anxiety Sleep Benzo, Rivotril (similar to k-pin) or Xanax if im lucky enough. Those make me sleep very well and SWIM could use them for fun.

[soma]

Zopiclone is SWIM's favorite non-benzodiazepine. He gets great euphoria, minor hallucinations, sleeps VERY well, and no hangover.

He much prefers it to Ambien/Zolpidem, which causes insomnia (ironically enough), larger hallucinagens (but not good one), makes everything taste bad, and makes him feel "out of control" rather than relaxed.

However, the best sleep aid out there is bar-none, Temazepam. Next: Alprazolam or Triazolam. Benzos are always better than non-benzo's for sleep in SWIM's opinion.

[Solinari]

I forgot about this thread, i meant to ask, does anyone know what i mean by the horrible taste you get in your mouth after taking Zopiclone? I don't mean the taste of the pill itself (which is really nasty), but after about 20 minutes or something you can taste it.

Anyone know what i am talking about?

[Mona Lisa]

Yes, SWIM knows EXACTLY what SWIY is talking about. Just think of it as a lemony zing! Nothing to worry about...

[rocksmokinmachine]

It's an awful taste, SWM just wraps it in a cigarette paper beforehand. When it starts working there is mild taste that seems to be eliminated by drinking a glass of milk (no evidence to support this)

[2celeary]

Originally Posted by Mona Lisa

Yes, SWIM knows EXACTLY what SWIY is talking about. Just think of it as a lemony zing! Nothing to worry about...

I too know EXACTLY what SWIY is talking about.

It's like your saliva contains copious amounts of metal. Makes everything taste very odd...

[snapper]

SWIM liked lunesta but is now very tolerant to it. If SWIM takes 4-6mg, SWIM falls asleep for about 2-3 hours and then wakes up and cannot sleep again. Really irritating !
Otherwise SWIM gets no side effects, hallucinations or high from it.
SWIM has some ambien and will be trying that soon...
Still, the best sleep aid ever is GHB !

[soma]

Its the pH changing in your saliva as a side effect of the eszopiclone/zopiclone. Its not remedied by avoiding touching the pill to your tongue, rather, you must change the pH in your mouth to reduce the symptom. pH balanced mouthwash and/or acidic drinks seem to help for SWIM.

[samm2]

Zopiclone-worst taste of any pharm swim noticed, 3.5mg. works for swim with no nightmares,also no dreams period. Rapid tolerance noted, thus not suited for everyday use in swim's opinion. Noticed dream activity with trazadone, would call them vivid but not nightmares.

[pjt]

The taste is bad at first, but SWIM now associates it with the effect of the pills, so quite likes it. He even chews up the tablet before washing it down to make it come on quicker. Works much better as a sleep aid than the benzos SWIM had used before (Temazepam, Diazepam), in that he doesn't wake up prematurely as he does with benzos.

Dependence potential is definitely as high as benzos, SWIM feels depressed and anxious after using these even semi-regularly, and the insomnia rebound is terrible. SWIM can think of much better substances to use recreationally, as dependence will creep up on you for sure.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by pjt

Dependence potential is definitely as high as benzos, SWIM feels depressed and anxious after using these even semi-regularly, and the insomnia rebound is terrible. SWIM can think of much better substances to use recreationally, as dependence will creep up on you for sure.

I can definately second that. With something that acts on thr GABA-BZ receptors, they must have some addiction potential. Another unethical pharamceutical company stunt to create a new generation of addicts to replace the ones they lost once benzodiazepine prescriptions became harder and harder to get, especially in the UK, where I believe the PCT wants to eliminate them from therepeutic use alltogether.

[quomem]

I know this is an old thread, but can anyone tell me the kinda doses they are using to get the nightmares and/or the euphric effects?

SWIM has used thus on prescription for insomnia. Works OK at 7.5mg, but no recallable dreams or nightmares. certainly wouln't consider it as a recreational beastie, but have had others state it as potentially hallucigenic.

BTW, SWIM's doctor warned it is just as habit forming as benzos and told swim he personally couldn't use it cos of the aftertaste all the next day.
SWIM has no problem with aftertaste, but it is certainly despicable stuff to get on your tast-buds.

[staples]

Originally Posted by quomem

I know this is an old thread, but can anyone tell me the kinda doses they are using to get the nightmares and/or the euphric effects?

SWIM has used thus on prescription for insomnia. Works OK at 7.5mg, but no recallable dreams or nightmares. certainly wouln't consider it as a recreational beastie, but have had others state it as potentially hallucigenic.

My doctor had to tripple the original dose before it actually put me to sleep. However, for the life of me I can't seem to remember what the original dose was! I really want to say it was 3mg, so 9mg?

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by quomem

SWIM has used thus on prescription for insomnia. Works OK at 7.5mg, but no recallable dreams or nightmares. certainly wouln't consider it as a recreational beastie, but have had others state it as potentially hallucigenic.

BTW, SWIM's doctor warned it is just as habit forming as benzos
.
SWIM has no problem with aftertaste, but it is certainly despicable stuff to get on your tast-buds.

SWIY will not recall any dreams or nightmares on substances acting on the GABA-BZ receptors as they supress REM sleep (the stage at which one experiences dreams). Hallucinations are a rare phenomenen with drugs like zopiclone, zolpidem and zalepon, and often happen at normal, therepeutic doses, rather than higher amounts.

'Z' drugs as these are known have just as much recreational potential as benzodiazepines. They act descriminately as an agonist on the GABA-BZ receptors, much in the same way as benzodiazepines. They do have the potential for physical addiction aswell as psychological addiction. Physical withdrawal may be dangerous. SWILG was lucky. See this thread, 2nd to last post if physical dependence occurs.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...awal+schedules

The metallic taste from zopiclone is unpleasant, and is caused by a PH change in the mouth. SWIM is prescribed 3.75mg and uses small dabs of sterile citric acid in the mouth to relieve the bad taste. If this is unavailable, an acidic drink will do fine.

[staples]

Originally Posted by rocksmokinmachine

SWIY will not recall any dreams or nightmares on substances acting on the GABA-BZ receptors as they supress REM sleep (the stage at which one experiences dreams).

Not significantly, at least not enough to so that SWIY wouldn't experience or remember experiencing dreams..

Especially if SWIY awakens because of a lunesta-fueled nightmare like I did when I was on it...

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by staples

Not significantly,

There is very significant activity in GABA-BZ receptors, no different from benzodiazepine hypnotics such as temazepam and nitrazepam. Show some, other than SWIY's own anecdotal, evidence.

[staples]

Originally Posted by rocksmokinmachine

There is very significant activity in GABA-BZ receptors, no different from benzodiazepine hypnotics such as temazepam and nitrazepam. Show some, other than SWIY's own anecdotal, evidence.

It doesn't significantly suppress REM sleep, or, at least not to the point of simply not having it and thus not experiencing dreams, is what I meant. Zopiclone gave me nightmares so I'm certain REM sleep occurs, at least for me, on it, and zolpidem I don't just experience dreams, but I also asked my doctor about its effects on REM sleep; she referenced a study that showed no significant changes in EEG patterns of subjects on placebo vs. subjects on zolpidem.

[~lostgurl~]

My gurl was prescribed Zopiclone for about 4 years at 3 X 7.5mg a night and it worked fantastic up until the last few months. The withdrawal was almost non-existant. It was also nice recreationally if she stayed up doing stuff, though memory is a bit vague for these times.

[~lostgurl~]

7.5mg is a standard dose I think, though usually you are told to start off with half of that.

[staples]

Originally Posted by ~lostgurl~

7.5mg is a standard dose I think, though usually you are told to start off with half of that.

Am I looking at something wrong? I only see that lunesta comes in 1, 2, or 3 mg tablets... If that's the case. though, I guess 11.25mg would be my answer