Opinions - How would N2O compare to salvia divinorum?

[redglow]

SWIM has always had a keen interest in entering vivid lucid dreams at will. With this purpose in mind, SWIM tried salvia divinorum several times. However, what she found was completely different than what she was looking for. Therefore, SWIM decided that she didn't want to try salvia anymore.

Time ago SWIM became aware of the existance of nitrous oxide and its dissociative properties. She wants to try it, but she doesn't want to waste her money if a N2O experience is similar to a trip to salvia land. How do N2O and salvia divinorum compare? Is a N2O trip similar to a salvia trip or is it a completely different story?

SWIM found salvia to be extremely unpleasant, so if N2O is going to be more of the same thing, she won't even bother to try it.

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[crabs]

Nitrous is completely different than salvia. Just because they're both legal doesn't mean they both suck; only salvia sucks. Most people dive into salvia hoping for some awesome experience. Some get it and really like it, mostly though people say "so this is why it's legal, it sucks ass." Ever get laughing gas at the dentist? That's exactly what nitrous is. What happens is SWIY will suck down that balloon and be like "hmmm.." and then BAM you're out of your mind. Also, with nitrous, it's pretty much guaranteed SWIY will have a fun time. It's almost foolproof; though don't let me give you the impression that no one has a hard time with it. There have been reports on Erowid of bad trips, but honestly, SWIM has never come across anyone personally who did not like a nice balloon or two. For the most part, Nitrous is a very safe drug (the only addiction potential is mental- but nitrous gets the nickname "hippy crack" because it's really fun but only lasts like a few minutes, so a few people become inclined to psychologically need a balloon or fifty every day. SWIM wouldn't worry about addiction though- it's kind of an expensive and inconvenient habit, far more than marijuana, even though it's legal. Marijuana fits in your pocket, 50 pound tanks do not.

[redglow]

Another thing that SWIM particularly hates about salvia is that it has a clear tendency to create an intense fear sensation, does that fear-terrifying sensation happen with N2O?

Another thin SWIM hates is the need of a sitter. When SWIM took salvia she couldn't do it alone because she was aware of the fact that too many people have been in dangerous situations when they enter salvia land and their body begins to move about without control (even if they were sit on a chair or lying on bed). With N2O, is having a sitter so important or just by lying on your bed kind of guarantees SWIY that SWIY not going to begin wandering about his/her house risking him/herself falling from a window?

Sometimes, having a sitter is just too inconvenient.

[Paracelsus]

N2O is very euphoric and not anxiogenic in my pet's experience.

About losing motor control: It is safe to lay down on a bed while doing nitrous. While N2O isn't reported to cause uncontrolled movements, users usually collapse. So standing or even sitting in a chair while doing nitrous can cause injuries. The need for a trip sitter is minimal if one uses balloons and lays down. Even if a panic attack should happen, it will all be over very soon.

[geezaman]

SWIM has had good experiences with both salvia and nitrous. The only similarities in them he can find, are their legality in many parts of the world, and their duration.

Where as salvia seemed to change SWIMs understanding of his surroundings, in a profound, sometimes horrifying way because the changes seemed far too real, nitrous trips for SWIM at least are different from reality, often outlined in primary color or neon, even sometimes taking on the role of a character. As though SWIM were once again a child in a play area, with a child's appreciation of life.

SWIM has never had a bad nitrous experience, the only problem with the nitrous trip that it is so very short often leaving the user with a hunger for more afterward.

SWIM suggests that if it is SWIYs first experience of nitrous that to get the most out of it they should be trying to hold each breath in their lungs as long as possible, even then, on its own it may not seem very effective. Where a pinch of salvia smoked blasts one into orbit, nitrous requires a little more to gain a full experience
SWIMs very longest nitrous experiences were when mixed with ecstasy, and ketamine (both separately and together on different occasions)
He found while under the influence of these mixtures, the nitrous was more powerful and lasted longer he also found he could get wrapped up into forfilling some objective from within the trip, he found himself trying to press himself into corners or cupboards, and even on one occasion swimming backstroke across a living room floor.

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[Purest]

Little Red Dinosaur personally thought that Salvia on the times he's tried it has been fairly ineffective and generally leaves Dinosaur with a bad taste in his mouth.

Nitrous on the other hand is a favourite of Dinosaur, he finds it to be a very enjoyable experience and the perfect "bedroom drug" as aside from the chargers and a used baloon theres nothing around such as ash, roaches and smell.
Nitrous can be done solo or in groups, its normally quite fun to have a small group of people sitting around doing nitrous as long as people don't mooch it all.
Also Nitrous is fairly cheap in comparison to salvia where a good strain can set you back a lot more than you'd be able to get 75 chargers or even more.

[JDreaming]

Nitrous is far more mild and recreational than salvia. Salvia doesn't suck, but it definately isn't "fun". Many of the people who despise it tried it before bothering to learn what it's full range of effects is. But nitrous is "fun" for the majority of people who try it.

[Matt The Funk]

Originally Posted by JDreaming

Nitrous is far more mild and recreational than salvia. Salvia doesn't suck, but it definately isn't "fun". Many of the people who despise it tried it before bothering to learn what it's full range of effects is. But nitrous is "fun" for the majority of people who try it.

Best answer. Salvia isn't really that fun, only on positive breakthroughs will it make SWIM happy. Nitrous on the other hand is always positive and happy for SWIM, but SWIM hasn't tried really "breaking through" on it. SWIM doesn't even know if it's possible.

[Intoxicating Dreams]

Swim's pet Funny Bunny loves Nitrous. She uses it every time she goes to the dentist. Even for teeth cleaning. Funny Bunny recommends listening to Swiy's favorite music during use. In the dental setting, it is used to relieve anxiety and pain. Very, very pleasant stuff. Funny Bunny tells swim that she has hallucinated while using nitrous alone, but that it has taken quit a bit to get there and it is very light. Funny Bunny says it is a very relaxing and "pretty" high.

[Tortoise]

Swim finds N20 to be deeply introspective. From what he hears, Salvia is a weird mindfuck.

[Toga]

Originally Posted by redglow

Another thing that SWIM particularly hates about salvia is that it has a clear tendency to create an intense fear sensation, does that fear-terrifying sensation happen with N2O?

SWIM have never been scared but sometime SWIM does remember thing from a while ago that have nothing to do with the present and suddenly feels an emergency like panicking that SWIM must do something or be somewhere then when SWIM come fully round he has nothing to worry about.
But i would not worry about this unless you go far enough past laughing and go into the other world where nothing feels like it happening and things seem to last forever.

[Samadhi]

swim feels that salvia is a waste of money and time... It has effect for some users but swim just felt uncomfortable and odd when swim smokes it. It offers no visual trip to swim, only negative effects.

Swim doesn't mind nitrous... but swim had some hamster pals that stole a thing of nitrous from one of the hamsters fathers (who is a dentist) and took it to the beach and started sucking the shit out of the thing through a mask...


two of them have extreme nerve damage and one died...

don't know what and how this happened but it's not pretty. swim fears nitrous for this reason though.

[Jeer]

Originally Posted by crabs

Nitrous is completely different than salvia. Just because they're both legal doesn't mean they both suck; only salvia sucks. Most people dive into salvia hoping for some awesome experience. Some get it and really like it, mostly though people say "so this is why it's legal, it sucks ass." Ever get laughing gas at the dentist? That's exactly what nitrous is. What happens is SWIY will suck down that balloon and be like "hmmm.." and then BAM you're out of your mind. Also, with nitrous, it's pretty much guaranteed SWIY will have a fun time. It's almost foolproof; though don't let me give you the impression that no one has a hard time with it. There have been reports on Erowid of bad trips, but honestly, SWIM has never come across anyone personally who did not like a nice balloon or two. For the most part, Nitrous is a very safe drug (the only addiction potential is mental- but nitrous gets the nickname "hippy crack" because it's really fun but only lasts like a few minutes, so a few people become inclined to psychologically need a balloon or fifty every day. SWIM wouldn't worry about addiction though- it's kind of an expensive and inconvenient habit, far more than marijuana, even though it's legal. Marijuana fits in your pocket, 50 pound tanks do not.

SWIM must say that a cracker, ballon and a few N20 cartrigdes very easy to travel with.

[LSD-25]

If anythings similar to either, it's both of these. Laughing gas is more fun, no hallucinations or confusion, and ridiculously pleasant. Salvias just fucking nuts.

[JCJC]

They are TOTALLY different. With salvia SWIM experiences his surroundings in a very strange and different manner. He goes into a kind of trance and likes to make repetitive movements. He finds that its a very heavy trip and has to try hard to stay focuses and not just freak out or pass out. He sometimes gets to talk to seemingly sentient being and aliens.

Nirous on the other hand seems to lift him out of his body into a black empty void where his thoughts spiral quickly and incontrolably and he reached mind shattering conclusions and realizes profound truths, which he generally forgets as he comes down.

SWIM loves them both but they really are totally different drugs. Comparing them would be as nonsensical as comparing alcohol to nicotine. Just no comparison, although neither is "better" both do different things.

[insidiousvertigo]

for my pet tiger, salvia is his least favorite drug...EVER. the poor thing had an absolutely terrifying trip on 40x salvia, where panic levels rose to an almost unsupportable level. he worked it out though.
on the other hand, my tiger has done nitrious plenty of times, and for good reason. he still gets the dissociated feeling, but in an absolutely euphoric way. he told me music is a must for nitrous experiences, as the music kinda falls apart in a spiral sort of sound, and slowly comes back together as he is coming down.
nitrous is great fun, nothing like salvia, but swiy should be careful that if swiy is alone, make sure there are no hard / sharp objects around, or just be laying down when swiy does it. it is very easy to fall down and not even realize it until swiy comes to. my pet tiger slammed into his guitar one day, and didn't feel a thing or realize it until he was sober again.
may swiy be very careful, but have lots of fun! and not to worry about the fear like one gets on salvia, swim has never heard of someone having "the fear" on nitrous.

[JCJC]

Originally Posted by insidiousvertigo

swim has never heard of someone having "the fear" on nitrous.

Oh Swim has definately had the fear on nitrous. Although its not the typical acid like super dread but a kind of sad solemn feeling that he has overdone it and is going to die and all is lost all that is left is this empty sadness. The good thing about nitrous is though, that Swim can snap out of it in a few seconds and the fear pases.

Anyone else experience this?

[fiveleggedrat]

Oh my god, nothing alike.

Nitrous is like a mental orgasm. Salvia is a crazy random fucking trip.

Nitrous is amazing.

[dcnot420]

Salvia and nitrous arent even in the same league.Salvia fucks u hard 4 a couple mins and makes u hallucinate like a mofo.Nitrous slows shit down u feel like ur talkin slow and when u mix x weed and nitrous u have a hell of a good time.Whippets r swim fav 2 get nitrous out of if u do enough u have a heavy head high feelin 4 a couple hours.