4-AcO-DMT trip reports

[sg43]

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Originally Posted by EXAMPLE

Dosage: 20 mg
Route: Orally
Duration: 5 hours

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These documents about 4-AcO-DMT are in the file archive

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Dosage: 21 mg
Route: Orally
Duration: not listed

Well SWIM finnaly got a chance to try this one, the only reports he could find were of two people who took 30mg and they said that it was comparable to an 1/8th of shrooms, he only took 21mg and was blown out of the water, definitely a more intense experience than psilocin or atleast for SWIM it was, he will write up a longer report and I will post it for him sometime soon.

[radio879]

Its good stuff . I do notice the difference with the acetoxy there but many friends do not. But a couple do. One said he thought it was a lot more like DMT but lasted hours (and said that was a good thing - ahem, of course!). Some think 20mg is like an 1/8th of shrooms, some think more like 30mg.

I seem to have developed some unscientifically unexplainable doesnt-make-sense tolerance to anything-DMT because of my massive indulgence in the spice, so generally I need much higher doses than anyone else of mushrooms/DMT/4-aco-dmt so the doses I take don't really 'matter'.

You can dump 30-35mg in a juice bottle.. (easily dissolves), and kind of drink it like 'tea', slower come on though - still seems to hit most people in ~20 mins (maybe 30..35..), so you can do this and drink however much of the juice first, wait... "see if yer good", drink more, etc.

I'm waiting for 4-HO and AcO-NMT to come.. can't fuckin' wait...

[rodent]

Dosage: 17 mg
Route: Orally
Duration: not listed

radio879 said-

One said he thought it was a lot more like DMT but lasted hours

Very interesting as my SWIM thought the same thing and he wasn't really expecting this and became somewhat panicked. The dose was 17 mgs and he was a bit surprised at the intensity. It is very likely his mind set wasn’t optimal for experimenting with a new and mostly untested chemical and this lead to the panicky feeling. Not knowing how much more intense it would get, he opted to take a strong benzo to relax and bring the trip to an end sooner.

Further tests will be done but with a better mind set and a lower dosage (SWIM tends to be quite sensitive to most tryptamines).

For those SWIM’s planning on trying this one soon, don’t underestimate its potency/power!

[radiometer]

^ what sort of cubenses doses does this individual typically take (assuming they have exp. w/ it)?

[rodent]

It has been several years since SWIM partook of the cubenses and he never took any more than 5gms at a time. Shortly though, SWIM will partake again the ‘food of the gods’ and try to draw some comparisons with dose and effects.
A recent DMT experience was fresh in his mind though so, maybe that was a factor.

SWIM really thought that 4-ho-mipt (more than 4-aco-dmt) reminded him more of p. cubensis but without the body load/nausea. Only further experiments will tell.

[radiometer]

So, 17mg was strong enough for a person who'd taken up to 5g cubenses in the past to say "wow"! Thanks for the rapid reply. Since you mention it, how would SWIY rate the potency (in general, of course) vs. 4-HO/ACO-MIPT?

[raven3davis]

Dosage: eyeballed ~15 mg
Route: Snorted
Duration: not listed

SWIM did a bump of this chemical at a rave. The dose was unknown but it was an estimated ~15 mg. The experience was very euphoric and SWIM had a lot of exrta energy. He could not stop moving his right leg. Everything seemed very clear, much like the end of SWIMs dmt trips. The headspace was nice, and similar to shrooms, but SWIM thought shrooms feel more like dmt and 4-aco-dmt feels more unnatural, like 4-ho-mipt. Shrooms and DMT just have a very natural feel to them. Somtimes it doesnt even feel like you have taken a drug.

SWIM would love to do further research with this compound. Feel free to ask any questions about 4-aco-dmt and SWIM will try to be more specific. The trip wasnt was not memoriable or anything, but SWIM felt a lot of potential in this compound. A higher dose would be needed though. BTW, it does not burn at all when snorting it. SWIM could feel it in about 20 minutes but it did not seem to last a very long time.

SWIM spent the first part of the trip just listening to his headphones. His normal thought process was altered to the point that he could allow his mind to drift away from the little things that bring him down everyday, but he was unable to breakthrough the barrier between him and the other world.

SWIM went swimming (literally) and cleaned his pool for about 30 minutes. Nothing too interesting there. Being under water with goggles was fun, but would have been much more fun on 30mg Then he layed on a lawnchair and stared into the grass. The movements of every creature in SWIMS back yard became SWIMs train of focus. Everything became one. His backyard became one big organism. Everything was a cycle and every organism was feeding off each other. There were some moments of clarity in which SWIM just layed down in awe, but SWIM had to zone out in order to get very far from reality.

After swimming, SWIM went to his room and immediately started cleaning. Every piece of trash and item of clothing stuck out like a sore thumb. As soon as SWIM thought he was done cleaning, he discovered another imperfection in his room and fixed it. Eventually SWIM just had to make himself stop. SWIM was verrry stimulated. He did about 50 pushups randomly throughout the trip.

SWIM compared the experience to less than 1g of shrooms. It was definitely a threshold dose, but nothing more than a light dose. 4-aco-dmt felt more speedy than shrooms and more "synthetic."

please radio tell me about IV dosages. SWIM is very interested in a massive dose via IV, a report will definitely be here in the future. Have you ivd this compound? Also, it 4-aco-dmt fumurate soluble in grain alcohol or distilled water? The fumurate is said to be more stable, but will it still hold in solution? Is it even soluble?

Ohhh and BTW, dosing without a scale is dangerous, but SWIM does his research. SWIM was prepared to take a dose of up to 50mg and he knew the amount he snorted was less than that. Use a scale and use common sence. SWIM does not recommend doing what he did, but he was prepared to trip very hard.

This substance feels clean though. SWIMs rodent will definitely be doing more research in the future.

Much more to come later......peace until then

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Ta for the report.

[MadShroomer]

Dosage: 10 + 10 mg
Route: Snorted & smoked
Duration: not listed

Originally Posted by illuminati boy

If I had to make an estimate extrapolating from other 4-HO / 4-AcO pairs I would guess that it probably has more of a latency before effects hit. It is probably 50 – 90% the potency of it’s 4-HO cousin, but could have a duration of effect that is extended a few hours. Effects could be more gradual / smooth on the come-up. The compound may be more likely to cause more ‘body energy’ / tremors.
Judging from them; probably a much smoother come-up, a notably longer duration, and possibly a notable decrease in milligram to milligram effects even taking the different molecular weights into account.

Pure guesswork though…

I B

WOW right on target, very good theory and SWIM agrees especially after SWIM insuffilated ~10mg and attempted to smoke ~10mg at the +1.5h mark.
Insuffilation was good. SWIM had made some Passion Flower tea that worked WONDERS with P.Cubensis (psilocybin, psilocin). Maby the "Tea"'s effect made the durration longer because SWIM peak came at around 3-4h and prior to that the effects where body load and what you described all that "energy" and SWIM's trip buddy agreed.
Next SWIM will attempt a 20mg oral administration without the short-term MAOI that Passion Flower Tea contains (harmala, etc.).
Also, anyone know the "birthday" of this compound? When was it first synthesized and by whom? Shulgin didn't have an entry in TiHKaL (atleast none I could find...) would someone shed some light on the background? In the meantime I'll be at google.com searching for some answers...

[Nagognog2]

It would be nice if someone out their in the aquarium could concuct some research, and post same, of this molecule with no tolerance and no ther substances on board - such as beta-carbolines.

[radiometer]

SWIM has a 0.01g scale and is planing to weigh out 10mg dose's.

That scale wont cut it. SWIY's "10mg" doses might be off by up to 100%. If SWIY must use this scale, SWIY will need to measure a much larger amount (100mg) and utilize liquid measurement from there. Then SWIY's doses will have a lower margin of error, only 10%.

[MadShroomer]

Originally Posted by radiometer

That scale wont cut it. SWIY's "10mg" doses might be off by up to 100%. If SWIY must use this scale, SWIY will need to measure a much larger amount (100mg) and utilize liquid measurement from there. Then SWIY's doses will have a lower margin of error, only 10%.

That's why SWIM uses 100mg capsules to increase total weight being measured. Very insightful though
Oh and SWIM and SWIMS SWIM tried I.V. administration (10mg) and found the initial rush to be more intense than insuffilation, but the overal duration and intensity of the peak was not as good (insuffilation is prefered by SWIM and SWIMS SWIM).

[Voices]

This quote was taken from another location on the net:

On 4 occasions:

1st: 8mg oral
2nd: ~40mg smoked (waste, I didn't have it in freebase form)
3rd: 3mg sniffed + 3mg sniffed a 1/2 hour later
4th: 12mg oral

my next time will likely be 14mg in the food hole

... also, I have practically not been tripping at all in many months! But this stuff is soooo good

This Swim also said that 4-AcO-MiPT "is crap" compared to this stuff. A statement which swim found compelling because 4-AcO-MiPT is subjectively 99.999% perfect.

It was reported that 8mg oral produced a +++, which was also surprising given the subjective effects of that dose and all or most other 4-aco's.

I still can't get a better answer out of anyone other than "shroomlike but better".

[radiometer]

Originally Posted by MadShroomer

That's why SWIM uses 100mg capsules to increase total weight being measured. Very insightful though
Oh and SWIM and SWIMS SWIM tried I.V. administration (10mg) and found the initial rush to be more intense than insuffilation, but the overal duration and intensity of the peak was not as good (insuffilation is prefered by SWIM and SWIMS SWIM).

You're fooling yourself. Adding the capsule does nothing to eliminate the fact that the scale will produce measurements which will be off by up to 10mg off in either direction.

If SWIY wishes to weigh this material with any accuracy, he must get a scale which is accurate to a minimum of .002g, or he must weigh a large enough amount to the substance to reduce the margin of error to a reasonable level and use liquid measurement from there as I described above.

I hope SWIY isn't giving these random doses to others, to be taken intranasally no less...

[MadShroomer]

Dosage: eyeballed ~25-30 mg
Route: Orally
Duration: more than 3 hours

Yeh But .....it is within + or - 5mg accuracy....[edit gauging by me super-special Kentucky hills trained eyeballs, whicha acount for both changes in density and hygroscopicity w/an unparalelled degree of precision equalled only by the one-eyed, myopic, shortsighted, glaucoma-ridden and retinal pigmentosae'd pirate of yore, who also has a hook for an arm so as to make hanging PRECISION SCALES off it exta easy, thanks, nano]

Plus using a pencap (the tiny thin part that's supposed to clip on clothing or something) a consistant amount can be estimated each time. [AHEM, thats in a perfect universe where all powders are equidense and pens exactly same.]

Either way when SWIM took ~25-30mg (a +++ or ++++ experience) the peak was extremely "DMT" like in that the TRUTH was sensed and SWIM was very energetic and went outside to play with "Hippie sticks". (Devil sticks or magic sticks, those things hippies fling in the air at festivals). SWIM hadn't juggled them in a long time but was able to pick it right up and was feeling increadibly agile and ambidextrious (high dextarity was observed). and no SWIM doesn't give other SWIMS these and SWIM usually does the liquid rout but SWIM and SWIMS SWIM both can eyeball a "bump" to be ~10mg with the help of mr pen cap

[AHEM, DO NOT FOLLOW MY EXAMPLE, PLEASE]

SWIM reckon's ya get the gist of SWIMS nanodrift, ya comrade?

Hey, who was edditing SWIMS message? Admin... Sorry
Oh and SWIM be currently living in the hills of kentucky, SWIM was born and raised in a major metropolitan area and speaks good english and has 20/20 vision. SWIM plans on purchasing a 0.002g scale but SWIM has learned a lot through trial and error.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	good posts in this thread...
	thanks for report. more details would have been nice. also, lolz @ 'precision scales' !! :)

[Sklander]

4-AcO-DMT seems to be a very promising substance. SWIMs friend is going to aquire some in the near future and he hopes to give it a whirl.

SWIMadShroomer - "the peak was extremely 'DMT' like" - Could SWIY be more specific? When SWIY says that, SWIM thinks about how DMT takes you to another world and destroys your ego... Was it like a breakthrough experience on DMT? About how long does the trip last?

SWIM has heard people say its more similar to mushrooms than anything else...

[MadShroomer]

Originally Posted by Sklander

4-AcO-DMT seems to be a very promising substance. SWIMs friend is going to aquire some in the near future and he hopes to give it a whirl.

SWIMadShroomer - "the peak was extremely 'DMT' like" - Could SWIY be more specific? When SWIY says that, SWIM thinks about how DMT takes you to another world and destroys your ego... Was it like a breakthrough experience on DMT? About how long does the trip last?

SWIM has heard people say its more similar to mushrooms than anything else...

It was like mushrooms a lot except SWIM had an ego melt down similar to a high dose of acid and then rebuilt said ego and was able to see "the truth" :P
But the peak lasted 1-3 hours and comedown was very gentle....

P.s.
SWIM just bought a J Precision 10 (10.000x0.001g) scale off ebay SWIM still thinks SWIMS "RightWeight" 50.00x0.01g scale is pretty accurate... + or - 0.01g

[radiometer]

Originally Posted by MadShroomer

SWIM just bought a J Precision 10 (10.000x0.001g) scale off ebay SWIM still thinks SWIMS "RightWeight" 50.00x0.01g scale is pretty accurate... + or - 0.01g

I'm very pleased to read that!

Also, I never actually that SWIYs scale is inaccurate - as you said, it might well be perfectly accurate to +/- .01g. But +/- .01g means that it might be up to .01g (10mg) off in either direction, which is not accurate enough for weighing only 10mg.

Say the capsule weighs 100mg and SWIY adds powder til the scale reads .110g. This might actually be .119g! Also SWIM's noticed that most commercial capsules vary by up to about 8mg within the same batch - for example, his size 0 capsules weigh between 96-104mg. So add in that variance also.

Bottom line is, SWIY is dealing with a lot of variables here and one could only guess at the range of "10mg" doses such a system will achieve. When SWIY gets that new scale, he might be able to test it out for himself and see. Please report back any findings.



I'm thinking of writing a parody piece entitled Contemporary Techniques in Ocular Measurement of Mass but I'm afraid people will take it seriously and I'll start seeing it quoted in defence of eyeballing. Sigh.

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Contemporary Techniques in Ocular Measurement of Mass... Outstanding!

[MadShroomer]

Originally Posted by radiometer

SWIY is very pleased to read that!
SWIY thinking of writing a parody piece entitled Contemporary Techniques in Ocular Measurement of Mass but SWIY afraid people will take it seriously and SWIY'll start seeing it quoted in defence of eyeballing. Sigh.

SWIY should do it
SWIM wasn't aware of that much of a variation in capsule weight....
SWIM thought SWIM's scale would round up at 0.005 or something... SWIM has read that "10mg" is about the size of a match head and SWIM uses that estimation in combination with all the variables... SWIM can't wait to get that precision scale and start compairing 0.01g scale to 0.001g scale...

[GDxCAT]

Dosage: 10 mg
Route: Orally
Duration: not listed

SWIM fed 10mg to a lab rat with favorable results.
Effects were similar to what the rat experiences on 2.5-3grams of cubensis (which for this rat is a sufficient dose.).
Next experiment will be with 15-20mg oral.

This substance compared to mushrooms but the lab rat seemed to like it even more. No body load was experienced, and the substance was very gently with its approach to the ego as opposed to how brutal mushrooms usually are.
5 stars.

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informative. thank god. ;)

[ywalkucanfly]

a group of about 8 of my close friends many of whom never tripped in there life on anything tripped on 4-aco-dmt, this being my the third tripping experience ever all of wihich have been on this drug in the last 3 months.
it comes in a 250mg pre-weighed in a baggie when we get it we mix it into water and poor 10 = shots, so thats like 25 mg dosage, some ventured into one and a half or some even took two shots or 50 mg who really wanted the spiritual experience, neways one of my buddies has been colorblind his whole life and aftet taking the drug he toatally lost his ego and started to see color for the first time in his life. is it possible he had a mental block on seeing color and through loss of ego he actually let him self finally see color....we all thought this could be a massive breakthrough but without funding, these miracles may never be unleashed in the public eye.
this is some crazy shit and ive had both bad and good experiences its very powerful what it can do, i constantley feel like im dreaming but im wide awake. this stuff is too good

[rodent]

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[donkey rhubarb]

Dosage: 20 mg
Route: Orally
Duration: not listed

SWIM's FOAF had an adventure with 20mgs of 4-AcO-DMT. It was light tanish very sparkly crystals. She dissolved it in half a bottle of water and drank it down.

SWIM found it to be an amazing experience. It hit rather hard at fast at the thirty minute mark. The visuals were beautiful. Mostly patterning of real life rather than pattern visuals if that makes any sense. For instance swim would see a tire track on the ground and it was made up of hexagons. the ice on the river was made of hexagons. very very beautiful.

Lots of laughing, feeling like a little kid, joy, wonder, amazement all around.

Mentally SWIMs FOAF found some similarities to mushrooms. Thought loops and a general feeling of good v evil / neg v positive thought patterns fighting it out. Although not nearly as intense as a mushroom experience.

Of special note is what happened at the end of the experience. SWIMs FOAF drank two beers. These two beers hit SWIM so freaking hard she felt like she had drank 12. her balance was way way off. she was physically very drunk although mentally still rather clear. SWIM wonders about other experiences with this where swimmers talk of blacking out during the peak and SWIM wonders if these two functions are related.

No nausea or upset stomach at all although at one point she thought she was going to vomit but never felt bad. Just felt like things were going to come up. SWIM thinks this was just a hallucination.

SWIM is generally a much bigger fan of PEAs but this trypt sounds outstanding.

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Very good report. Could have used a better time-line. But very good!

[chrisn]

Dosage: 20 mg
Route: Orally
Duration: 7 hours

My pet dragon recently had an experience with psilocetin. No other drugs used recently except marijuana. He had a pretty good time, and the drug definitely felt different than shrooms. Here's the story he told me:

I attempted to weigh out 20 mg for my first psilocetin trip. It was more difficult than I expected, as my scale was being a bit finicky, so the dosage could be off by a few milligrams either direction. I had eaten a meal three or four hours earlier, so my stomach was moderately empty. At 5:15pm, I licked the powder off the weighing device. The taste was strong and funky, but not too unpleasant. I just washed my mouth out with water and the taste disappeared easily. I then left with my friend S, also on 20mg, to go hiking in the forest trails near my house.

We walked for about 20 minutes and stopped to rest at on a small bridge. I felt mildly anxious during this time, thinking about my motivations and reasons for doing drugs, and worried a bit that the trip would be unpleasant. These five minutes were perhaps the only negative part of my trip. I felt like I was seeing the bridge pulsate very slightly, but this could easily have been placebo. S and I walked around for another hour or so. I began to feel mildly high and clear-headed, my thoughts flowed faster and changed rapidly, and it became mildly difficult to construct sentences from my thoughts, so I stayed fairly quiet. The effects really didn't feel as though they were getting stronger, and S was still feeling almost nothing. We returned to the bridge with the intention to smoke some marijuana to intensify the experience, but instead ended up lying on the bridge, stairing at the sky, and listening to Pink Floyd with some portable speakers. When I focused on the sky, I saw pleasant visuals forming, but I had to focus for them to appear, and if I looked back at my surroundings they disappeared. The clouds also formed nice geometric shapes.

At about an hour and 45 minutes in, the effects were still very mild for me, and moreso for S, so we decided to smoke. We had a Sobe juice bottle that was turned into a waterfall with us, and there was a brook just below us, so we decided we would each take a waterfall hit. Normally, one or two of these get us extremely baked, so we figured one would definitely be enough. After taking our hits, we decided to continue our hike. We wandered into a giant field scattered with trees. In one direction, there were mountains, clouds, and farmland of spectacular beauty. In another was a forest that looked almost like a jungle to me. As we relished in this beauty, I started perceiving the world more and more different. Plants took an almost cartoonish feel. Visuals were present in great detail if I focused on something, but if I just looked at my surroundings, I would see the world in an alien, but static way. Closed eye visuals were present, but not much more interesting than what I get on weed (although I do have fairly vivid CEV's from weed alone).

We continued our walk to a nearby park, and finally, after about two and a half hours, we were tripping. Every conversation S and I had would turn into an argument (not that we were angry with each other), despite the fact that we really agreed with each other. My goal was to play frisbee in the park, and when we finally made it there to play, I was surprised that my skill had not decreased at all because of the drug. However, my interest in playing had. The whole time we were throwing the disc, I was pacing back and forth randomly, my mind a complete mess of nonsense. Eventually we stopped and just lay on the grass with music and watched the world around us.

My mind was in another world. I felt as if all of the stimuli that my brain normally processes in different ways and in different areas of the brain was being processed all by one mechanism. My thoughts would randomly turn from words, to sounds, to tastes, and so on. When I was playing frisbee, and had to run to catch it, I would often taste my steps in my mouth. I had no control over these processes, my senses would just change into each other at random. There was also an element in this that did not feel as though it was based on external stimuli. It was as though my mind was generating a random static that was interpreted as, for example, a sound or a taste, and that was incorporated in my thoughts, that, at the same time, were still randomly morphing between my different senses. This could be described as synesthesia; however, there was nothing consistent about it--perhaps this was because of the "static" that was being incorporated into my thoughts as changing patterns.

It wasn't just stimuli and senses that had changed. Both tangible and intangible objects had completely lost their meaning to me (I was far more interested in the intangible). I wasn't really sure what the difference between happiness and sadness was, because I had lost the ability to rate things on a positive or negative scale. I assumed that I was feeling great because of my random and nonsensical laughter, but at the same time I wasn't sure. I contemplated what a bad trip was, and I couldn't comprehend what it would be like, because there was nothing bad or good about my state of mind, there was only my state of mind free of any sort of categorization. Because of this, my mind also became very distant from my body. It was difficult to tell whether I was hot, cold, tired, or in pain because I wasn't sure what any of those sensations felt like. At one point, my teeth began chattering, and I was able to determine that I was probably cold based on logical deductions, but whether or not it was the truth I was not sure. In fact, what was true became completely subjective. As I had forgotten what everything was in the world around me, I was able to define things any way I wanted.

At one point, I took out a pencil and paper and began to draw. I felt like I knew exactly what to draw, yet at the same time I felt as though there were endless possibilities as to what I should draw. I have little skill with drawing, so I did not have a goal of something in particular to create. I quickly traced the visuals that I was seeing on the paper as fast as possible. What I ended up with was a series of interesting patterns scattered across the paper, but there was nothing particularly meaningful to me. I changed to writing down sentences to describe what my mind was like, which I've written with more eloquence in the preceding paragraphs. My handwriting was odd and messy, and seemed to change styles at random. The music that was on this entire time was pleasing when I focused on it, but I would frequently forget it was even playing, and I am not sure if it was affecting my mind at all during these periods.

It seemed very odd to me that a drug would have done these things to my mind. Sometimes I wondered if the psilocetin I had took had done nothing, and I had just always thought this way. It didn't seem logical to me that if I went home and took some more of the drug, my mind would become even more radically different. It was difficult to say whether psilocetin felt stimulating or sedating. At times I felt like getting up and dancing would be a lot of fun, and at times I felt too tired to even get up off the ground.

Eventually the peak began to subside, and we left the park. On our way home, day slowly turned to night and the state my mind was in began to feel more and more normal. My thoughts began to return to only spoken words, and I was able to understand concepts such as happiness and sadness. S and I walked around barefoot on a golf course and through some sand pits, which was very tactiley pleasant. We stopped at a bench at the top of a hill close to my house and smoked half a bowl, although it did little to our state of mind. We returned to my house to listen to music and watch Winamp's Milkdrop visualizer for a bit, but we were almost completely back to baseline.

About an hour later, while washing the dishes, I began to have very uncomfortable back pain, focused in my spine, which I'm fairly certain is due to the psilocetin. I had done front squats earlier in the day, but if I was to experience pain or soreness from those, this was not the way it would manifest itself. I also had difficulty falling asleep, lying in bed for two hours before finally passing out at about 8 hours after dosing.

This morning I woke up, unfortunately not with enough sleep to be very awake for work. I felt a bit mentally drained from the previous day as well, and my back was still bothering me. I took 100mg of 5-HTP and 5mg of oxycodone. An hour or so later and I was feeling remarkably clear-headed and only mildly tired, I think that 5-HTP is a great way to restore my mental capacities after a trip. The painkiller had little effect though, but it was quite a small dose.

In retrospect, many of these effects could come from a wide variety of psychedelic drugs, but I feel that this experience was quite unique in itself, and had a very different feeling than my previous shroom trip. Therefore, I think it is unfair to consider both as the same drug, despite the fact that psilocetin is eventually converted to psilocin in the body. I think that there is quite a bit of potential in psilocetin, and as the only downside appears to be some residual back pain, I look forward to exploring this chemical more in the future.

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Interesting report, thanks

[halftone]

[QUOTE=chrisn;292035] I think that there is quite a bit of potential in psilocetin, and as the only downside appears to be some residual back pain... QUOTE]

SWIM has researched this chemical on 3 different occasions, and has never noticed any residual pain in the back, or anywhere for that matter... In fact, he says 4-aco-dmt felt better on the body than anything he's ever taken before (even beating mdma)

[chrisn]

This could be my dragon's unique reaction, or maybe even it was completely coincidental (but of note was this back pain did not affect the experience at all, it started right when my dragon was back to baseline). My dragon will be exploring psilocetin again this Saturday, and will report back if he experiences the back pain again.