5-meo-mipt (Moxy)

[Beeker]

Please post info about 5-MEO-MIPT here.
Can anyone add information about:

* names / synonyms
* molecule
* dose
* duration
* side effects
* have there been any reported incidents with this compound?
* legal status
* stability of the molecule / compound

Experiences with 5-MEO-MIPT should be posted here: 5-MEO-MIPT (moxy) trip reports
These documents about 5-MEO-MIPT are in the file archive

Also see this threads:
5-MeO-MiPT Effects and Ratings Survey Results
Storage of 5-MeO-MiPT ( moxy )
5-meo-mipt Long term & high dose use

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TIHKAL ENTRY
#40. 5-MEO-MIPT
TRYPTAMINE, N-ISOPROPYL-5-METHOXY-N-METHYL; INDOLE, 3-[2-(ISOPROPYLMETHYLAMINO)ETHYL]-5-METHOXY; N-ISOPROPYL-5-METHOXY-N-METHYLTRYPTAMINE; 3-[2-(ISOPROPYLMETHYLAMINO)ETHYL]-5-METHOXYINDOLE

SYNTHESIS : To a solution of 1.40 g 5-methoxy-N-methyltryptamine (5-MeO-NMT, see separate recipe) in 50 mL methanol there was added 1.0 mL acetone and 0.5 g 10% Pd / C. This mixture was shaken under a hydrogen atmosphere at 50 psi for 15 h. The catalyst was removed by filtration through a bed of celite, the filtrate stripped of solvent under vacuum, and the solid residue recrystallized from Et2O / hexane to give 1.45 g N-isopropyl-5-methoxy-N-methyl-tryptamine (5-MeO-MIPT). This was isolated as the hydrochloride salt by dissolving it in a small amount of IPA, neutralization with concentrated HCl, and dilution with Et2O. This had a mp 162-163 °C. Anal: C15H23ClN2O. C,H,N. MS (in m/z): C5H12N+ 86 (100%); indolemethylene+ 160 (5%); parent ion 246 (4%).

DOSAGE : 4 - 6 mg, orally; 12 - 20 mg, smoked

DURATION : 4 - 6 hrs

QUALITATIVE COMMENTS : (with 1.5 mg, orally) "In 15 minutes I was already off of baseline, and by an hour it is unquestionably real. There is no visualization to music, but a general turned-on randiness. Dropping at an hour and a half, and out by three hours. Modest but real."

(with 4 mg, orally) "Up very fast, to a +2 in an hour. Absolutely no visuals, but over the next two hours an ease of interpretive fantasy, almost dream-like, and easy eroticism. Food tasted marvelous, but there was no appetite. Easy, normal sleep and good spirits in the AM."

(with 5 mg, orally) "Extremely bitter taste. Some stimulation and tingling at 10 minutes, and I am apprehensive at this rapid onset. There are no visual symptoms at all, but the stimulation of conceptual thought is intense. Depth perception is slightly altered and a very minor wave pattern can be noticed in the peripheral vision, but no major object or color distortion. Minor enhancement of auditory acuity. Philosophical concepts about this and other substances seem important. I wonder what the value of writing about, or attempting to describe, their effects really is. At the second hour, the effects are subsiding, and for another three hours there are tailings and insomnia, but I am able to eat normally. There is a certain amount of 'negativity' about this compound. The dose is satisfyingly small, but I wonder if it is worth it. Somewhat of a disappointment. Have no desire to experiment further."

(with 6 mg, orally) "Rapid development to 45 minutes, some shakes, uneven handwriting, and hints of time slowing. Extremely erotic. Full plateau at a +3 at the 2 1/2 hr. point, then a graceful and rather rapid drop. Easy, restful sleep. Absolutely no visuals or related sensory effects -- what does one call this stoned state? Very pleasant, music extremely acceptable, tactile extraordinary. I feel that higher dosages would not contribute anything more."

(with 12 mg, smoked) "I was able to take 4 or 5 puffs, and to hold off the onset until then, then I couldn't anymore. Powerful, tremendous rush, but all along maintaining body-ego awareness, unlike 5-MeO-DMT where the world appears to utterly dissolve. I was aware of doing a lot of groaning, writhing, shaking around; headphones and eyeshades kept it completely internal. Not too much visual, but lots of disorientation. Early on there was a lot of emotional lability, laughing, crying, 'Oh God' kinds of outbursts.

"At an hour and a half, I was down enough that I tried smoking the remainder of the bowl without much additional effect. A typical psychedelic afterglow and in the morning ate a big breakfast and felt essentially normal. In summary, I took too little, I was in a bad mood, and felt myself to be in a rushed environment. The experience seemed to me like a hybrid between CZ-74 and 5-MeO-DMT; the trippiness of the former and the rush (although not as intense) of the latter."

(with 20 mg, smoked) "Most all of it was smoked in about three or four inhalations before I felt it coming on so strongly that I lay down. Within less than a minute after I lay down, with my eyes closed, my visual field was filled with brilliant geometric patterned lines of different colors that were slowly moving. There were several sets of parallel and curved lines superimposed upon in each other. Soon after that, probably within a minute or two, I became extremely disoriented from my normal sense of being a person in a body; I was lost in an undifferentiated mass of feeling and non-specific sensation. It was similar to the overwhelming feeling of 5-MeO-DMT in quality and, as with that material, the peak phase lasted less than 30 minutes.

"Then I began to think more coherently, but intense waves would return every 5 to 15 minutes. In between my perception and thinking would be fairly normal, but with the waves I would be swept up in imagery or memories heavily laden with emotional content. After two hours I was joined by my wife. We spent some very intimate time together, and I remember asking her who she was and she replied, 'Your wife.' This was very powerful to me since I did not really know what it meant, except that it seemed to be the best combination of mother, lover and friend, and that it was an entirely new kind of relationship that we would be creating for the rest of our lives together.

"After three or four hours, the waves had virtually stopped, and I remained oriented to the present and my immediate surroundings. I stayed under a mild influence until I ate supper, around 7 hours. I felt tired, had trouble falling asleep, but awoke refreshed."

EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY : In my lecturing at the University, every couple of years or so some student uses the term "more unique than" or "relatively unique." This immediately triggers a reflex response from me, to emphasize the simple definition that something that is unique is something that is one of a kind, and that all one-of-a-kind things are different from all other one-of-a-kind things. All drugs are unique. Every drug is different from all other drugs. 5-MeO-MIPT is unique.

The last two entries in the "Qualitative Comments" section are longer than usual, but even at that they have been trimmed down from reports sent to me that were each of over three pages in length. A thread common to each of them, is the comparison of the effects of smoking 5-MeO-MIPT to those from smoking 5-MeO-DMT. The speed of onset, the intense depersonalization and loss of immediate contact with one's surroundings, the impressive recall of early memories and the significance of these memories, make the drugs appear similar to one another. And the fact that they are of similar potency when smoked (5-MeO-DMT is perhaps a tad more potent) makes the relationship more comfortable. And then, with the eye of a chemist making further comparisons, the whole structure-activity relationship falls into place. The formulae are identical, except that one of the N-methyl groups of 5-MeO-DMT is extended by a couple of carbon atoms, to an isopropyl group in 5-MeO-DIPT. They are almost the same. They have almost the same action when smoked. They are "unique and similar" and together they appear to be quite different from the rest of the pack. Nope, that is just not so! They are totally different from one another.

All you need to do, to see that clearly, is to look at that one additional observation involving oral activity. This drug, 5-MeO-MIPT, is several times more potent when taken orally than it is when smoked. 5-MeO-DMT is much less active orally than when it is smoked. As a matter of fact, it is not active at all when taken orally. No active oral level has ever been found. What a rich area for speculation. Preferential metabolism? First pass goings-on? Chemical change from pyrolysis in the pipe? Different receptors? Lipophilicity? I am reminded of the quote from Mark Twain; "I like science because it gives one such a wholesome return of conjecture from such a trifling investment of fact."

Might the observations of the remaining oxygen-substituted MIPT's provide additional clues? There are four possible mono-methoxylated MIPT's; all have been synthesized and all have been explored in man. The 4-methoxy-isomer was of modest activity and deserves, and has received, a recipe of its own. The 5-methoxy- isomer is the one described here, and is extremely potent (orally, but less so parenterally). But as one goes to the 6- and 7-positional isomers, the two remaining positions, the psychopharmacological activity seems to be lost. This is a humorous reminder of the British idiom, to be at 6-'s and 7-'s about something.

6-MeO-MIPT was made from the corresponding indole, by reaction with 2-nitroethyl acetate, the resulting 3-nitroethylindole catalytically hydrogenated to 6-MeO-T which was converted to the N-benzyloxycarbonyl derivative. This was reduced to 6-MeO-NMT which was in turn reductively coupled with acetone to provide 6-MeO-MIPT with a melting point of 89-91 °C and in an overall yield of 9%. MS (in m/z): C5H12N+ 86(100%); indolemethylene+ 160 (7%); parent ion 246 (4%). In human trials there was one report of some kind of neurological twinge at a 16 milligram level, but nothing else at trials of up to 50 milligrams and it has been shelved as being inactive.

The isomeric 7-MeO-MIPT was synthesized by the exact same five-step reaction sequence starting with 7-methoxyindole, in an overall yield of 24%. The actual reaction conditions for this conversion are detailed in the recipe for 4-MeO-MIPT. The mp of 7-MeO-MIPT was 72-73 °C and its MS (in m/z): C5H12N+ 86 (100%); indolemethylene+ 160 (5%); parent ion 246 (4%). Gas chromatographic analysis indicated that the product was only 80% pure, and three of the impurities were identified. One was 7-MeO-NIPT with MS (in m/z): C4H10N+ 72 (100%); indolemethylene+ 161/160 (13, 8%); parent ion 232 (4%). Another was 7-MeO-DMT with MS (in m/z): C3H8N+ 58 (100%); indolemethylene+ 160 (6%); parent ion 218 (9%). The third was 7-MeO-NMT with MS (in m/z): C2H6N+ 44 (100%); indolemethylene+ 161/160 (82, 39 %); parent ion 204 (5%). These three impurities represented approximately 5%, 3%, and 4%, resp., of the isolated product's final weight. It showed something going on at 20 mg orally with perhaps a little distortion in the visual field. And, separately, at 70 milligrams orally there might have been a light-headedness after a few minutes. Nothing more. It, too, has been given the kiss of death by being declared inactive at the 50 milligram level.

The last of the Mohicans, the tribe of compounds with the remarkably potent, orally active, N-methyl-N-isopropyl system on the tryptamine nitrogen atom, was the dimethoxy analogue with both the 5- and the 6-positions occupied with methoxy groups. This specific compound has its own recipe as it raises specific questions that deserve direct attention. The very close relative with the methylenedioxy group at this 5,6-location also has a separate recipe.

Two final laments. Remember that all these beautiful compounds are unique. Why do they behave the way they behave? I have no idea and there is never enough data to explain everything. I hate the fact that the word data is plural. But singular or plural keep collecting it (them), and keep trying to make sense of everything. And, a small point from my infancy. The Last of the Mohicans was one of the very first books I read, and I had very innocently accepted the footware of these Indians as being the metaphor for the people themselves. I had seen that title as having been, "The Last of the Moccasins." This is a pair of words that I still interchange without any defense, along with shoulder and soldier, avatar and atavar, and especially annoying when lecturing, irrelevant and irreverent.

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Our members list extremely varying dosage, effects and duration. Most list good effects around 8-9 mg, while others are in the 25mg+ range. For most this would be far into the freak out zone. Some users are quite content with 6 mg doses and would consider 10mg to intense. 5 mg seems a good beginners dose.

Duration seems to be anywhere from 2.5 hours to 10+ hours.

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SWIM has a large group of friends use X (or whatever they get.)

SWIM turned them on to 5mg of 5-meo-mipt in '2' size gel capsules that are colored blue/light blue. It was overall rated very high by these people. SWIM is not into the selling of anything but did find that the dealers, DJ's, and friends/girlfriends asking for more or at least wondering why they could roll so soon after an MDMA roll. SWIM assumes the reason is that 5-meo-mipt is a Trypamine while MDMA is a phenylthalamine.

SWIM found 5-meo-mipt to be great below 10mg but at 15mg SWIM had a glowing OEV experience that SWIM thinks MDMA users might find disturbing which led to thoughts of MDMA users popping 4 5mg capsules and loosing ego at a rave ... not cool.

SWIM was just throwing this out for discussion. The substance beats MDMA/meth mixed pills In SWIMS opinion. Highly sexual as well as not effecting the male ED problems of MDMA use.

[snapper]

5meoMIPT has a steep dose response curve, and SWIMs 20 mg experience was sensory overload and chocked full o' visuals. 20 mg for someone not epecting it could be pretty uncomfortable.
5meomipt does not seem to have a strong cross tolerance with phens or even tolerance from daily serial use. SWIM has used 5 days in a row with modest decrease in potency. This is in contrast to 5meoDIPT which seemed to induce a strong tolerance after > 2 consecutive doses, though it did not last long.
At <10mg doses, this is one of SWIMs all time favs.

[nanobrain]

said chemical has indeed made its way into mimic ecstasy pills in the US some time back. i would honestly shoot the unscrupulous bastard dealer scumbags. if you know someone planning this, bequeath them to stop. by any means necessary

[Beeker]

SWIM just passes the perverbial joint for free and that is that. Scumbags still selling MDMA with meth - no worries lol ...

SWIM just found it ... interesting for a 5-meo and SWIM has found it more useful for sex then dancing.

SWIM always says what it is ... "8mg 5-meo-mipt" "huh? what?" "Never mind SWIM is out etc. etc."

pill dealers will sell caffiene with DXM powder if they can turn a quick buck. Karma - gotta keep an eye on that karma cause it comes around.

If SWIM was into the money of all this SWIM wouldn't post at all, SWIM would lurk.

[radiometer]

SWIM always says what it is ... "8mg 5-meo-mipt" "huh? what?" "Never mind SWIM is out etc. etc."

If a person does not know what a drug is and what it does, they should not be given it.

[Beeker]

SWIM see's your point and would never hand out something like 2C-E if it wasn't known. SWIM feels 5-meo-mipt is completely forgiving at 5-8mg. SWIMS cousin brought blotter with DOx home from college but swore it was LSD. SWIM thinks that is more of a problem then 10 people getting to test 5-meo-mipt, knowing what it is, knowing SWIM well and no money involved.

SWIM isn't giving MDMA to 14 year old kids here ... SWIM hangs with an old old hippie crowd.

SWIM thinks you are seeing something that isn't there I.E. some large sale of fake MDMA or something. SWIM is chuckling but still conserned that this is seen negitively to turn on SWIMs friends for free when SWIM had to be turned onto DMT once without "knowing."

[TiMmYrEcOrDz]

Originally Posted by radiometer

If a person does not know what a drug is and what it does, they should not be given it.

couldnt of said it better myself.

[radiometer]

No need to read into my statement - I ment it quite literally. I'm making no assumptions at all about SWIYs intentions.

I do not believe that novel drugs should be given to people who don't know what they are and who do not understand the risks involved with taking unresearched chemicals, and I also feel that a "rave" environment makes it even more inappropriate.

[mfrieze]

Swim has honestly intorduced a few people to these research chemicals, but he also explains them and lets them read about it on erowid and read all they can. Swim never tells them its any other drug besides what is atually is

[Nagognog2]

MeowMipt (5-Meo-n.n-MiPT) is perhaps one of the most obtuse RC's out there. One person might feel like it's similar to a cup of coffee. While another person, same dosage, might suddenly understand the Bhagavad Gita. Bongo & Co. were so lost to figure a "proper" method of gauging dosages and explanations of potential effects that the project was abandoned. It remains locked away in the frozen tundra - reclaimable by only those who understand it has no set parameters from prior experience.

I'd go along with nanobrain's suggestion/threat regards unscrupulous bastards with this one - at least.

[Alfa]

5-MEO-MIPT is unscheduled in most countries, but may fall under US analog laws. Can anyone check if 5-MEO-MIPT is scheduled in the UK? I suspect so.

Originally Posted by joechip666

Trace amounts of a substance purported to be 5-MeO-MiPT were once tested with the following reagents and had these color changes:

Marquis: Dark Olive.
Simon's: No reaction.
Mecke: Asparagus.

[snapper]

It is a tryptamine with no alpha methyl substitution so it has to be.

[Durd1e]

At around 5mg SWIM has found this to be one of the most pleasant baseline experiences he has had.

Perfect even for a festival where swim is always more cautious rather than less.

Swim cannot help feeling , though that too much control - of environment etc, can rob the experience of its basic 'rawness'. A rave can be the perfect place because its is chaos that is creative not order. It is horrible though to be given one substance thinking it another.

A couple of years ago in Dublin pills were going around sold as MDMA but actually containing DOB. One poor kid tore out one of his eyes.

*sorry if that detail was a bit too heavy - it was a huge deal here at the time*

[JDreaming]

Since nobody has posted it yet this is the TIHKAL data on this compound. I'm merely reprinting this; it is from Alexander and Ann Shulgin's book.

#40. 5-MEO-MIPT
TRYPTAMINE, N-ISOPROPYL-5-METHOXY-N-METHYL; INDOLE, 3-[2-(ISOPROPYLMETHYLAMINO)ETHYL]-5-METHOXY; N-ISOPROPYL-5-METHOXY-N-METHYLTRYPTAMINE; 3-[2-(ISOPROPYLMETHYLAMINO)ETHYL]-5-METHOXYINDOLE


SYNTHESIS : To a solution of 1.40 g 5-methoxy-N-methyltryptamine (5-MeO-NMT, see separate recipe) in 50 mL methanol there was added 1.0 mL acetone and 0.5 g 10% Pd / C. This mixture was shaken under a hydrogen atmosphere at 50 psi for 15 h. The catalyst was removed by filtration through a bed of celite, the filtrate stripped of solvent under vacuum, and the solid residue recrystallized from Et2O / hexane to give 1.45 g N-isopropyl-5-methoxy-N-methyl-tryptamine (5-MeO-MIPT). This was isolated as the hydrochloride salt by dissolving it in a small amount of IPA, neutralization with concentrated HCl, and dilution with Et2O. This had a mp 162-163 °C. Anal: C15H23ClN2O. C,H,N. MS (in m/z): C5H12N+ 86 (100%); indolemethylene+ 160 (5%); parent ion 246 (4%).

DOSAGE : 4 - 6 mg, orally; 12 - 20 mg, smoked

DURATION : 4 - 6 hrs

QUALITATIVE COMMENTS : (with 1.5 mg, orally) "In 15 minutes I was already off of baseline, and by an hour it is unquestionably real. There is no visualization to music, but a general turned-on randiness. Dropping at an hour and a half, and out by three hours. Modest but real."

(with 4 mg, orally) "Up very fast, to a +2 in an hour. Absolutely no visuals, but over the next two hours an ease of interpretive fantasy, almost dream-like, and easy eroticism. Food tasted marvelous, but there was no appetite. Easy, normal sleep and good spirits in the AM."

(with 5 mg, orally) "Extremely bitter taste. Some stimulation and tingling at 10 minutes, and I am apprehensive at this rapid onset. There are no visual symptoms at all, but the stimulation of conceptual thought is intense. Depth perception is slightly altered and a very minor wave pattern can be noticed in the peripheral vision, but no major object or color distortion. Minor enhancement of auditory acuity. Philosophical concepts about this and other substances seem important. I wonder what the value of writing about, or attempting to describe, their effects really is. At the second hour, the effects are subsiding, and for another three hours there are tailings and insomnia, but I am able to eat normally. There is a certain amount of 'negativity' about this compound. The dose is satisfyingly small, but I wonder if it is worth it. Somewhat of a disappointment. Have no desire to experiment further."

(with 6 mg, orally) "Rapid development to 45 minutes, some shakes, uneven handwriting, and hints of time slowing. Extremely erotic. Full plateau at a +3 at the 2 1/2 hr. point, then a graceful and rather rapid drop. Easy, restful sleep. Absolutely no visuals or related sensory effects -- what does one call this stoned state? Very pleasant, music extremely acceptable, tactile extraordinary. I feel that higher dosages would not contribute anything more."

(with 12 mg, smoked) "I was able to take 4 or 5 puffs, and to hold off the onset until then, then I couldn't anymore. Powerful, tremendous rush, but all along maintaining body-ego awareness, unlike 5-MeO-DMT where the world appears to utterly dissolve. I was aware of doing a lot of groaning, writhing, shaking around; headphones and eyeshades kept it completely internal. Not too much visual, but lots of disorientation. Early on there was a lot of emotional lability, laughing, crying, 'Oh God' kinds of outbursts.

"At an hour and a half, I was down enough that I tried smoking the remainder of the bowl without much additional effect. A typical psychedelic afterglow and in the morning ate a big breakfast and felt essentially normal. In summary, I took too little, I was in a bad mood, and felt myself to be in a rushed environment. The experience seemed to me like a hybrid between CZ-74 and 5-MeO-DMT; the trippiness of the former and the rush (although not as intense) of the latter."

(with 20 mg, smoked) "Most all of it was smoked in about three or four inhalations before I felt it coming on so strongly that I lay down. Within less than a minute after I lay down, with my eyes closed, my visual field was filled with brilliant geometric patterned lines of different colors that were slowly moving. There were several sets of parallel and curved lines superimposed upon in each other. Soon after that, probably within a minute or two, I became extremely disoriented from my normal sense of being a person in a body; I was lost in an undifferentiated mass of feeling and non-specific sensation. It was similar to the overwhelming feeling of 5-MeO-DMT in quality and, as with that material, the peak phase lasted less than 30 minutes.

"Then I began to think more coherently, but intense waves would return every 5 to 15 minutes. In between my perception and thinking would be fairly normal, but with the waves I would be swept up in imagery or memories heavily laden with emotional content. After two hours I was joined by my wife. We spent some very intimate time together, and I remember asking her who she was and she replied, 'Your wife.' This was very powerful to me since I did not really know what it meant, except that it seemed to be the best combination of mother, lover and friend, and that it was an entirely new kind of relationship that we would be creating for the rest of our lives together.

"After three or four hours, the waves had virtually stopped, and I remained oriented to the present and my immediate surroundings. I stayed under a mild influence until I ate supper, around 7 hours. I felt tired, had trouble falling asleep, but awoke refreshed."

EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY : In my lecturing at the University, every couple of years or so some student uses the term "more unique than" or "relatively unique." This immediately triggers a reflex response from me, to emphasize the simple definition that something that is unique is something that is one of a kind, and that all one-of-a-kind things are different from all other one-of-a-kind things. All drugs are unique. Every drug is different from all other drugs. 5-MeO-MIPT is unique.

The last two entries in the "Qualitative Comments" section are longer than usual, but even at that they have been trimmed down from reports sent to me that were each of over three pages in length. A thread common to each of them, is the comparison of the effects of smoking 5-MeO-MIPT to those from smoking 5-MeO-DMT. The speed of onset, the intense depersonalization and loss of immediate contact with one's surroundings, the impressive recall of early memories and the significance of these memories, make the drugs appear similar to one another. And the fact that they are of similar potency when smoked (5-MeO-DMT is perhaps a tad more potent) makes the relationship more comfortable. And then, with the eye of a chemist making further comparisons, the whole structure-activity relationship falls into place. The formulae are identical, except that one of the N-methyl groups of 5-MeO-DMT is extended by a couple of carbon atoms, to an isopropyl group in 5-MeO-DIPT. They are almost the same. They have almost the same action when smoked. They are "unique and similar" and together they appear to be quite different from the rest of the pack. Nope, that is just not so! They are totally different from one another.

All you need to do, to see that clearly, is to look at that one additional observation involving oral activity. This drug, 5-MeO-MIPT, is several times more potent when taken orally than it is when smoked. 5-MeO-DMT is much less active orally than when it is smoked. As a matter of fact, it is not active at all when taken orally. No active oral level has ever been found. What a rich area for speculation. Preferential metabolism? First pass goings-on? Chemical change from pyrolysis in the pipe? Different receptors? Lipophilicity? I am reminded of the quote from Mark Twain; "I like science because it gives one such a wholesome return of conjecture from such a trifling investment of fact."

Might the observations of the remaining oxygen-substituted MIPT's provide additional clues? There are four possible mono-methoxylated MIPT's; all have been synthesized and all have been explored in man. The 4-methoxy-isomer was of modest activity and deserves, and has received, a recipe of its own. The 5-methoxy- isomer is the one described here, and is extremely potent (orally, but less so parenterally). But as one goes to the 6- and 7-positional isomers, the two remaining positions, the psychopharmacological activity seems to be lost. This is a humorous reminder of the British idiom, to be at 6-'s and 7-'s about something.

6-MeO-MIPT was made from the corresponding indole, by reaction with 2-nitroethyl acetate, the resulting 3-nitroethylindole catalytically hydrogenated to 6-MeO-T which was converted to the N-benzyloxycarbonyl derivative. This was reduced to 6-MeO-NMT which was in turn reductively coupled with acetone to provide 6-MeO-MIPT with a melting point of 89-91 °C and in an overall yield of 9%. MS (in m/z): C5H12N+ 86(100%); indolemethylene+ 160 (7%); parent ion 246 (4%). In human trials there was one report of some kind of neurological twinge at a 16 milligram level, but nothing else at trials of up to 50 milligrams and it has been shelved as being inactive.

The isomeric 7-MeO-MIPT was synthesized by the exact same five-step reaction sequence starting with 7-methoxyindole, in an overall yield of 24%. The actual reaction conditions for this conversion are detailed in the recipe for 4-MeO-MIPT. The mp of 7-MeO-MIPT was 72-73 °C and its MS (in m/z): C5H12N+ 86 (100%); indolemethylene+ 160 (5%); parent ion 246 (4%). Gas chromatographic analysis indicated that the product was only 80% pure, and three of the impurities were identified. One was 7-MeO-NIPT with MS (in m/z): C4H10N+ 72 (100%); indolemethylene+ 161/160 (13, 8%); parent ion 232 (4%). Another was 7-MeO-DMT with MS (in m/z): C3H8N+ 58 (100%); indolemethylene+ 160 (6%); parent ion 218 (9%). The third was 7-MeO-NMT with MS (in m/z): C2H6N+ 44 (100%); indolemethylene+ 161/160 (82, 39 %); parent ion 204 (5%). These three impurities represented approximately 5%, 3%, and 4%, resp., of the isolated product's final weight. It showed something going on at 20 mg orally with perhaps a little distortion in the visual field. And, separately, at 70 milligrams orally there might have been a light-headedness after a few minutes. Nothing more. It, too, has been given the kiss of death by being declared inactive at the 50 milligram level.

The last of the Mohicans, the tribe of compounds with the remarkably potent, orally active, N-methyl-N-isopropyl system on the tryptamine nitrogen atom, was the dimethoxy analogue with both the 5- and the 6-positions occupied with methoxy groups. This specific compound has its own recipe as it raises specific questions that deserve direct attention. The very close relative with the methylenedioxy group at this 5,6-location also has a separate recipe.

Two final laments. Remember that all these beautiful compounds are unique. Why do they behave the way they behave? I have no idea and there is never enough data to explain everything. I hate the fact that the word data is plural. But singular or plural keep collecting it (them), and keep trying to make sense of everything. And, a small point from my infancy. The Last of the Mohicans was one of the very first books I read, and I had very innocently accepted the footware of these Indians as being the metaphor for the people themselves. I had seen that title as having been, "The Last of the Moccasins." This is a pair of words that I still interchange without any defense, along with shoulder and soldier, avatar and atavar, and especially annoying when lecturing, irrelevant and irreverent.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	Excellent report
	Thanks, but could you bold the 5 headings (synthesis, dosage, duration...)
	Cheers for the Shulgin extract. Fascinating stuff.

[ODB]

I don't think this stuff keeps well in grain alcohol. Turns yellow quickly (over night) and it takes ~4x more.

[PolyFractus]

^SWIM doesn't agree. He kept his 5-MeO-MiPT in 40 vol% vodka for several months and he didn't experience any color change or loss of potency.

[ODB]

^^bongo dreamed it not me. And bongo was pretty convinced that it did turn yellow and it happened over night.

[trptamene]

Were the pharoph's dealing w/ the same salts?

fumarate vs hcl most likely

[snapper]

SWIM has seen the HCl and freebase forms available. Perhaps the freebase is less stable or there are unstable impurities. 4acomipt turns black and polymerizes over time but is still almost as potent as the powder, so changes do not necessarily mean the molecule has broken down.

[ODB]

Bongo said when dropped in 190proof grain then shook and briefly put the glass vial under medium heat running h20 to help is dissolve then put on a shelf overnight. In the morning it had a yellow tint. When eaten it was 1/4 the potency it had been when eaten pure.

[Hyperion]

Ouch maybe I should have written swim or something? Don't find the edit button... I'm not so used of this silly swim business where I live this substance is totally legal. Sorry if I did something wrong I'll try to remember.

[trptamene]

Originally Posted by Beeker

Experiences with 5-MEO-MIPT should be posted here: 5-MEO-MIPT (moxy) trip reports

Originally Posted by Hyperion

Ouch maybe I should have written swim or something? Don't find the edit button... I'm not so used of this silly swim business where I live this substance is totally legal. Sorry if I did something wrong I'll try to remember.

It's ok, just don't make a habit of it. You will be able to edit posts when you become silver member (not that hard). At that time you can come back and edit it if a mod hasnt changed by then.

[InsaneNcrazY]

SWIM got 100% pure 5-meo-mipt there have been no smoked experiences posted wondering if anybody had any before trying to attempt.

[snapper]

SWIM has read that they are similar to 5meoDMT and take more powder than oral (ie-3-4 times the oral dose). SWIM has only HCl salt which should ideally be converted to freebase first. SWIM also did not want to waste product on vaporization when it is so bioavailable orally.
SWIM feels that from oral trials, it is better that this molecule comes on slowly ...

[trptamene]

Shulgin lists two smoked experiences in TIHKAL...sorry this should've been in the first post so you could have seen it but I will highlight the important part.

(with 12 mg, smoked) "I was able to take 4 or 5 puffs, and to hold off the onset until then, then I couldn't anymore. Powerful, tremendous rush, but all along maintaining body-ego awareness, unlike 5-MeO-DMT where the world appears to utterly dissolve. I was aware of doing a lot of groaning, writhing, shaking around; headphones and eyeshades kept it completely internal. Not too much visual, but lots of disorientation. Early on there was a lot of emotional lability, laughing, crying, 'Oh God' kinds of outbursts.

"At an hour and a half, I was down enough that I tried smoking the remainder of the bowl without much additional effect. A typical psychedelic afterglow and in the morning ate a big breakfast and felt essentially normal. In summary, I took too little, I was in a bad mood, and felt myself to be in a rushed environment. The experience seemed to me like a hybrid between CZ-74 and 5-MeO-DMT; the trippiness of the former and the rush (although not as intense) of the latter."

(with 20 mg, smoked) "Most all of it was smoked in about three or four inhalations before I felt it coming on so strongly that I lay down. Within less than a minute after I lay down, with my eyes closed, my visual field was filled with brilliant geometric patterned lines of different colors that were slowly moving. There were several sets of parallel and curved lines superimposed upon in each other. Soon after that, probably within a minute or two, I became extremely disoriented from my normal sense of being a person in a body; I was lost in an undifferentiated mass of feeling and non-specific sensation. It was similar to the overwhelming feeling of 5-MeO-DMT in quality and, as with that material, the peak phase lasted less than 30 minutes.

"Then I began to think more coherently, but intense waves would return every 5 to 15 minutes. In between my perception and thinking would be fairly normal, but with the waves I would be swept up in imagery or memories heavily laden with emotional content. After two hours I was joined by my wife. We spent some very intimate time together, and I remember asking her who she was and she replied, 'Your wife.' This was very powerful to me since I did not really know what it meant, except that it seemed to be the best combination of mother, lover and friend, and that it was an entirely new kind of relationship that we would be creating for the rest of our lives together.

"After three or four hours, the waves had virtually stopped, and I remained oriented to the present and my immediate surroundings. I stayed under a mild influence until I ate supper, around 7 hours. I felt tired, had trouble falling asleep, but awoke refreshed."

EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY :

The last two entries in the "Qualitative Comments" section are longer than usual, but even at that they have been trimmed down from reports sent to me that were each of over three pages in length. A thread common to each of them, is the comparison of the effects of smoking 5-MeO-MIPT to those from smoking 5-MeO-DMT. The speed of onset, the intense depersonalization and loss of immediate contact with one's surroundings, the impressive recall of early memories and the significance of these memories, make the drugs appear similar to one another. And the fact that they are of similar potency when smoked (5-MeO-DMT is perhaps a tad more potent) makes the relationship more comfortable. And then, with the eye of a chemist making further comparisons, the whole structure-activity relationship falls into place. The formulae are identical, except that one of the N-methyl groups of 5-MeO-DMT is extended by a couple of carbon atoms, to an isopropyl group in 5-MeO-DIPT. They are almost the same. They have almost the same action when smoked. They are "unique and similar" and together they appear to be quite different from the rest of the pack. Nope, that is just not so! They are totally different from one another.

All you need to do, to see that clearly, is to look at that one additional observation involving oral activity. This drug, 5-MeO-MIPT, is several times more potent when taken orally than it is when smoked. 5-MeO-DMT is much less active orally than when it is smoked. As a matter of fact, it is not active at all when taken orally. No active oral level has ever been found. What a rich area for speculation. Preferential metabolism? First pass goings-on? Chemical change from pyrolysis in the pipe? Different receptors? Lipophilicity? I am reminded of the quote from Mark Twain; "I like science because it gives one such a wholesome return of conjecture from such a trifling investment of fact."

It should be noted that Shulgin makes no mention of basing the compound before vaporization so we must assume the doses involved are the HCl. I wonder how many of those molecules are actually getting in the lungs before combusting... The HCl, as we all know, boils higher than the freebase so maybe the extra heat is degrading the product and thus the doses for the HCl smoked are higher...id be interested to see freebase vs hcl doses/experiences.