Cocoa? Urine? What???

[deathmonkey]

A wandering traveler told my cat some strange things the other day, and my cat was wondering if any of these were true and if anyone had any experience with such things.

1. The use of cocoa to increase the experience of a mesc based trip. The stranger told my cat that cocoa is a mild mao inhibiter and two tables spoons of it could lessen the amount of material needed to reach high levels of thought. My cat wonders how effective this is, and if it could be potentionaly dangerous to ones body.

2. The strange also mentioned that 60-90% of the mesc in ones system will pass through ones urine during the experience in it original state. The stranger stated if one ate healthy and fasted before the experience (while drinking lots of water to clean the system) they would produce rather nuetrul tasting urine and if one saved all urine from an experience they could drink it another time and get another experience out of it, infact the stranged stated some people will drink their own urine during an experience to enlongate it. Most would shun against this, but he said to remember a lot of civilisations drinke urine everyday for health benefits. He had a link for an article about this if anyone was interested, I could dig it up.


My cat wonders if anyone has any personal experience with either of the two statements the stranger made. They both sound rather true, my cat was wary of trying the cocoa as he heard many scary stories about the use of mao inhibiters. The urine thing may sound wild but it used with amitas for a long time, and my cat wonders if the experience differs at all, its an interesting topic to him. Plus my cat told me that urine would probably go down a lot easier then the pedro tea.

[Handle]

Well, two funny facts. Cocoa contains small amounts of phenylethylamine, and if memory serves me correctly mescaline is 3,4, dimethoxyphenylethylamine. Now, they call phenylethylamine a 'love drug' not only because it is empathogenic, but also because it is released during moments of intense emotion and arousal. Likewise, when taken as a drug, it works almost like a 'cupids arrow' and surveys have supposedly shown that subjects who were given it consistently rated others as more attractive and likeable, and even reported feelings of 'love' etc.
Also, it has a marked antidepressant effect, which is quite persistent, so who knows, it may have MAOI properties, or being another phenylethylamine it may simply synergise with those naturally occurring in peyote and other psychedelic cacti.
As for urine drinking to achieve repeated drug effects, certain drugs are passed in large amounts almost entirely unchanged although this is actually quite rare. Most are passed out pure in very small amounts, but predominantly altered to other active or inactive forms which are then eliminated by various means [ahem] which make it harder to reliably succeed with this approach.
However, a very famous case where this has been used quite commonly and even regarded as acceptable is with the use of amanita muscaria, the 'fly agaric' mushroom.
I can't remember all the details, but non toxic amanitas work through ibotenic acid and muscimol as opposed to muscarine, which is in the deadly pantherina/phalloides varieties.
Anyway, ibotenic acid turns into muscimol upon drying of the shrooms, but there is some missing link to this story about potency or reversal of the change or something, but in any event the urine of the user remains active, if continuously 'recirculated' and can keep a shaman off his face for up to three days, just on the urine alone! Certainly muscimol is less toxic than ibotenic acid, and it is not unknown for a user's urine to be consumed by another person [!] as this probably would provide a source with even less ibotenic acid than the dried mushrooms. This is very well known in Siberia, where reindeer are also said to practice this 'recirculation' [not making this up] of the urine of intoxicated individuals, be they deer or human. It even got to be such an accepted practice that there are even a few custom designed, ceremonial urine bowls that survive from this practice.
Also, fly agaric is one of many drugs that have been supposed to be the 'soma' of the rig vedas of ancient india. One detail that lends credence to this theory is the reference to 'urine drinking' as part of the soma ritual.

[deathmonkey]

SWIM says he will experiment with the cocoa theory with a small dose sometime and report back. He just wants to know if it could be potentioally dangerous, but if he can't get an experienced answer he will just have to take it slow and see what happens.

As for the urine, the stranger speicfically said that one will pass the mesc through their system in its original form, so SWM is assuming one could infact keep an experience going longer if they drank their own urine or saved it. It's just a little weird because it such a taboo thing in our society.

[Handle]

Hey, sorry I couldn't be of any more assistance, but who cares about taboos anyway, ghandi drank his urine all the time, and there wasn't even any drugs in it!
I would seriously doubt that there is any danger in combining cocoa with mescaline, because people take many prescribed drugs all the time, stronger physiologically than mescaline, like opiates and they can be heavily exacerbated by MAOI's, and there are all sorts of warnings, against the coadministration of MAOI's even about grapefruit juice, but nothing about cocoa or chocolate, certainly not regarding MAOI related problems. I seriously think that if chocolate has an impact, it would be very mild and safe.

[Cakes]

Urophagia

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

For the sexual attraction to urine, see Urolagnia.
Urophagia is the consumption of urine.


Health issues

Urophagia is generally considered harmless, as the urine of healthy individuals is sterile. However, a small risk exists if there is a disease present, or bacterial infection of the urethra. There may also be secondary effects, such as skin rashes in individuals sensitive to urine.

The main dangers are the high salt and mineral content. The high salt content usually does not pose a problem if the urine is sufficiently diluted and not consumed in mass quantities. The effect of the high salt may be mitigated by drinking some water after consuming urine. The urine may be diluted if the person whose urine will be consumed drinks some water (or diet soda, see below) an hour or so before the act. Many people into BDSM drink beer before the act because it dilutes any unpleasant chemicals in the urine, and alcohol acts as a diuretic, stimulating the body to excrete more urine than it normally would.[1]

Since artificial sweeteners are excreted in urine, consuming artificial sweetener before urine play can lend a sweet taste to the urine. Drinking diet soda, or other beverages containing artificial sweetener, before urine play will have the dual effect of diluting the urine and sweetening it. However, if the taste of sugar is detected in an individual's urine, and it is known that artificial sweetener has not been consumed, this may be a sign of diabetes and a doctor should be consulted. Asparagus, on the other hand, gives urine an unpleasant smell with about 40%-79% of people. [2]

The participants should use caution or avoid drinking urine if one or both of them are taking vitamin or mineral supplements or medication, since many of these are excreted in urine.

Urine of persons who are ill, or regularly take medication, should generally not be consumed. In special cases (e.g. chronic illness of the partner), a medical doctor should be consulted to clarify whether the urine of the chronically ill or medicated person may be consumed without endangering one's health, or not.

If put through a house hold water filter, the urine will become odorless and taste much like water.



Survival

It has been suggested that when a person is in desert survival or surrounded by salt water and devoid of drinking water that the person must resort to drinking his/her own urine if it is the only liquid available.[3] As it tends to cause further dehydration due to the salts in it, drinking urine for survival is advised against by the US Army Field Manual[4], the head of the Texas Urological Society[5], and numerous survival instructors and guides[6][7][8][9][10][11] while the Discovery Channel advises it.[12]

Aron Ralston claims to have used the technique when trapped for several days with his arm under a boulder.[13]

Bear Grylls of the Discovery Channel's Man vs. Wild drank his own urine while he was in the Outback of Australia. [14]

Alternatively Les Stroud drank water evaporated from urine that he made to collect on plastic wrap and drip into a cup.

Alternative medicine practices

In countries such as India and China, it is considered normal by some groups to drink your own urine for health and cosmetic purposes. This health branch of drinking urine is considered to be labeled as Urine therapy. Also, an old method of teeth-whitening during the Renaissance involved the consumption of urine, though it needn't be, and wasn't always necessarily, that of the user


Teeth whitening


In Roman times, there was a tradition among the Gauls to use urine to whiten teeth. A famous poem by the Roman poet Catullus, criticizing a Gaul named Egnatius, reads:

Egnatius, because he has snow-white teeth, smiles all the time. If you’re a defendant in court, when the counsel draws tears, he smiles: if you’re in grief at the pyre of pious sons, the lone lorn mother weeping, he smiles. Whatever it is, wherever it is, whatever he’s doing, he smiles: he’s got a disease, neither polite, I would say, nor charming. So a reminder to you, from me, good Egnatius. If you were a Sabine or Tiburtine or a fat Umbrian, or plump Etruscan, or dark toothy Lanuvian, or from north of the Po, and I’ll mention my own Veronese too, or whoever else clean their teeth religiously, I’d still not want you to smile all the time: there’s nothing more foolish than foolishly smiling. Now you’re Spanish: in the country of Spain what each man pisses, he’s used to brushing his teeth and red gums with, every morning, so the fact that your teeth are so polished just shows you’re the more full of piss. [15][16]

Ceremonial

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The Koryak people of Siberia drink urine in conjunction with their ceremonial use of the psychoactive Amanita muscaria (commonly known as fly agaric) mushroom. The active alkaloids are unchanged as they pass through the human body, allowing the urine to retain the intoxicating effects of the mushroom.

Urine therapy

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


In alternative medicine, the term urine therapy (also urotherapy, urinotherapy or uropathy) refers to various applications of human urine for medicinal or cosmetic purposes, including drinking of one's own urine and massaging one's skin with one's own urine. A practitioner of urine therapy is sometimes called a uropath.

In the Indian ayurvedic tradition, urine therapy may be called amaroli. Another name is Shivambu Kalpa, taken from the title of the ancient text Shivambu Kalpa Vidhi. Here, shivambu can be translated as "the waters of Shiva", and refers to the urine.

History

Promoters of urine therapy believe urine to have many preventative and curative powers. Some cultures have traditionally used urine as a medicine, especially India's, where it is prescribed by the Shivambu Kalpa Vidhi, which (among other uses and prescriptions) suggests massaging one's skin with aged, concentrated urine. In traditional Tibetan medicine, examination of the patient's urine is one of the main sources of information for a diagnosis.[1]

The Koryak tribe of Siberia is reported to have used the Amanita muscaria mushroom as an entheogen, and to have drunk the urine of those using the mushroom in order to experience the effects themselves. Tribesmen who could not afford the mushrooms drank the urine of those who could; tribesmen drank their own urine in order to prolong the experience; and tribesmen on trips carried their own urine with them.[2] They sometimes concentrated their urine by partially freezing it and ingesting the unfrozen liquid.

Many have theorized that the mythological soma of the Vedic religion was also Amanita muscaria.[2]

The homeopath John Henry Clarke wrote, "…man who, for a skin affection, drank in the morning the urine he had passed the night before. The symptoms were severe, consisting of general-dropsy, scanty urine, and excessive weakness. These symptoms I have arranged under Urinum. Urinotherapy is practically as old as man himself. The Chinese (Therapist, x. 329) treat wounds by sprinkling urine on them, and the custom is widespread in the Far East. Taken internally it is believed to stimulate the circulation".[3]

Modern claims and findings

Urine's main constituents are water and urea. However, it contains small quantities of many hormones and metabolites,[4][5] including corticosteroids.[6] Urea has been claimed by some doctors to have an anti-cancer effect.[7] In addition, the other chemicals in urine might have some effect if ingested.

In 1997, Joseph Eldor, of the Theoretical Medicine Institute in Jerusalem, published a paper suggesting that because cancer cells release antigens which appear in the urine, oral autourotherapy could spur the intestinal lymphatic system to produce antibodies against these antigens.[8]

..human urine is normally relatively free of bacteria, since the bladder itself is normally a sterile environment. However, the urethra does contain bacteria, and this is why many physicians ask for a urine sample mid-stream, in order to allow the first few seconds of urination to wash out the bacteria within the urethra.[10] Drinking small amounts of one's own urine is unlikely to be seriously harmful.[9] Urinating on jellyfish stings is a common folk remedy, but has no beneficial effect and may be counterproductive as it can activate nematocysts remaining at the site of the sting.[11][12]

Trivia

• Cameroon's Health Minister Urbain Olanguena Awono warned people against drinking their own urine, believed in some circles to be a tonic and cure for a number of ailments. "Given the risks of toxicity associated with ingesting urine", he wrote, "the health ministry advises against the consumption of urine and invites those who promote the practice to cease doing so or risk prosecution."[13]
• Urinotherapy was in vogue recently to improve well-being or as a last resort in severe illness in the former Soviet Union and in some post-USSR countries.[14]
• Former Indian Prime Minister Morarji Desai practiced urinotherapy.[13]
• Urine contains many vitamins, hormones and nutrients that are essential to the proper functioning of human body.[4] However, it also contains metabolic waste by-products and small amounts of toxins such as ammonia and formaldehyde.
• In Shelagh Stephenson's The Memory of Water, one of the characters practices urine therapy. Her sister says that if God had intended people to drink their own urine, He would have built a straw from the bladder to the mouth.

Further reading

• Shivambu Kalpa Vidhi, a part of the Damar Tantra
• Your Own Perfect Medicine, Martha M. Christy, Scottsdale, AZ: Future Medicine, 1994.
• The Golden Fountain: The Complete Guide to Urine Therapy, Coen van der Kroon, Scottsdale, AZ: Wishland Publishing, 1996.
• The Water of Life: A Treatise on Urine Therapy, John W. Armstrong, London: True Health Publishing Co., 1940s.
• Shivambu Kalpa: The Ancient Healing Way of the Self, by the Self, with Medicine of the Self, Arthur Lincoln Pauls, Ortho-Bionomy Pub., 1978.
• Shivambu Was Is and Will Be, Nila Sanghvi, Mumbai.
• " RAKSHANK" a book on extract of Urine Therapy written by Dr Rakshak Mal Lodha rakshakmal@gmail.com

See also

• Urophagia
• Urine in Medicine

References

Health Through Balance: An Introduction to Tibetan Medicine, Yeshi Donden, ed. and transl. by Jeffrey Hopkins, Delhi: Motilal Banarsidass Pub., 2003. ISBN 812081519X. a b The plant kingdom and hallucinogens (part I), Richard Evans Schultes, UNODC Bulletin on Narcotics 21 (1969) pp. 3–16. ^ A Dictionary of Practical Materia Medica, John Henry Clarke, London: Homoeopathic Pub. Co., 1900–1902. ^ a b Urine Therapy, Jeff Lowe ^ Clinical value of 24-hour urine hormone evaluations, Alan Broughton, Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients, January 2004. ^ An Investigation into the Determination of Corticosteroids in Urine. I. The Determination of Corticosterone-like Substances, S. L. Tompsett, Journal of Clinical Pathology 6 (#1, February 1953), pp. 74–77. PMID 13034924. ^ Urotherapy, fact sheet at the American Cancer Society.^ Urotherapy for patients with cancer, J. Eldor, Medical Hypotheses 48 (#4, April 1997), pp. 309–315. PMID 9160284. ^ a b True or False: It's Safe to Drink Your Urine, fact sheet at epnet.com. ^ Urinary Tract Infections in Adults, fact sheet at the National Institute of Health, publication no. 06–2097 ^ Q: Is it true that urinating on a jellyfish sting alleviates the discomfort? If so, who figured that out?, John Ruch, Stupid Question™, June 7, 2004. Accessed on line September 13, 2007. ^ Fact or Fiction?: Urinating on a Jellyfish Sting is an Effective Treatment, Ciara Curtin, Scientific American, on line, January 4, 2007. Accessed on line September 13, 2007. ^ a b Cameroon threatens to jail urine drinkers, Jane Flanagan, Daily Telegraph, on line, article dated March 15, 2003. ^ Understanding Patients From the Former Soviet Union, Linda Grabbe, Family Medicine 32 (2000, #3), pp. 201–206.

External links

• Urine therapy, Martin Gardner, Skeptical Inquirer, May-June 1999.
• Urine Therapy: Skeptic's Dictionary entry
• Urotherapy, fact sheet at the American Cancer Society
• Urine Therapy, Jeff Lowe
• Urotherapy for patients with cancer, J. Eldor, MD; originally published in Medical Hypotheses 48 (#4, April 1997), pp. 309–315.
• Urine Therapy: A Natural Alternative That Works, Martha M. Christy, Nexus Magazine 3, #2 (February-March 1996).
• Healing With Urine Therapy, Natalia Perera, Nexus Magazine 9, #4 (June-July 2002).
• Nothing unscientific about urine therapy, B. V. Khare
• The miracles of urine therapy, Abhishek Thakore, at Life Positive
• Shirley's Wellness Cafe on urine therapy
• Urine therapy: The simple use of ones own urine
• Urine Therapy at biomedx.com
• Kadzuwo, On Academic Reports, Urine Autovaccination
• Wonders of Uropathy at IndianGyan.com
• The Urineists: THE URINEISTS: Practitioners of urotherapy, urophagia, urolagnia, uromagick. (A Yahoo Group)
• The Urineist Society: THE URINEIST SOCIETY: Practitioners of urotherapy, urophagia & urolagnia (A Google Group)
• Shivambu Yoga & Nature Cure Center
• Legal extract under copyright law from the book Manav Mootra (auto-urine therapy)
• Legal extract under copyright law regarding AIDS and HIV+ from the magazine SHIVAMBU

I have been told that urine is only sterile for the first few minutes after coming out and that harmful bacteria grows after that. I guess it may not always be true since saving urine in an old practice. It would be interesting to know if there are any tricks to keep the bacteria under control, like acidifying the urine (piss and vinegar?). also interesting to think if the psychoactive compounds would still be in it if it was dried.

[Handle]

Koryak, that's the one. I read it in two places, one, a local Australian science book, and two, in Plants of the Gods by Richard Evans Schultz and Hoffmann, err, what's his name Hoffman, the LSD guy. Very good book. The Kamchatka peninsula. All very interesting stuff if you can get hold of it.