Clint’s Quick Questions

[COMBO RICO]

Been reading about this drug that seems too good to be true and decided that it's about as safe as any drugs going to get.



I plan on using the quid method, mainly because of the whole gradual
factor and what not. By the way, this will be my first drug besides
alchohol.



How much will a gram of this 5x Extract last? (Given I'm average
tolerance and oraly use it...ohhh...about once every two weeks.)

How does this compare with use of a water pipe? Also, can you give me
and idea of how much of a dent buying it puts in your wallet?



Biggest challenge is finding a way to purchase it without going through
the mail. I'm 18 1/2 heheh and can purchase it with no problems only
don't want to have a confrontation with my parents who are deeply
religious Catholics heh. Any ideas in this department? (I live in the
austin area of that helps)



I plan on not having a sitter contrary to all the info I read, mainly
because I think I can remain calmer by myself and really don't want to
put any of my friends in that position and as said before, I want to
slowly introduce myself to Sally O'Mally.



Last question for now, How clearly do you remember these experiences? I
plan on using the herb for a spirtual crutch and fully realize what
many already experience as different realities etc.



I intend to ask more questions through this thread if/when they hit me
and also, if i get some divinorum soon, will post the experience
without any bs..well try my hardest anyway, thanks for reading.

[djryand]

It would be quite expensive to try to quid with extract. A gram of non-standardized 6x extract is about 6 bucks, standardized around 11. I've never really heard of people quidding extract. I think most people use raw leaf to quid, but I'm sure it's possible. You would probably only get maybe 1 quid out of a gram though.

Quidding is a lot more subtle, but will tend to last longer than smoking. You might not even notice the effects the first few times. Try to clear your head, meditate and be very still.

I'm sure you can find Salvia at some head shops around Austin. Where there's bongs, there's usually Salvia. I know they have it here in Houston; it's just grossly overpriced compared to internet vendors. Add about $10 bucks to each price I quoted above.


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I would really advise against trying it without a sitter. You have no idea what you are trying and what may happen. Many people attempt to walk around and crash into stuff on Salvia. Be safe, smart, and respectful of this Sacred Plant. Edited by: Alfa

[scyrusurcys]

Originally Posted by COMBO RICO

How much will a gram of this 5x Extract last? (Given I'm average tolerance and oraly use it...ohhh...about once every two weeks.)
How does this compare with use of a water pipe?

Well, typically a gram of 5x will last about 5 good trips, assuming that the subject taking it is of average tolerance. Smoking salvia is MUCH more intense than the quid method, although it does not last as long. A typical quid trip will start about 15-30 minutes into the process of quidding, and last for about 30-60 minutes after. If smoked, the effects of 5x or justplain leaves will come on in less than 2 minutes, or at about the 3rd hit (10x,15x, and 20x extracts will come on faster). I would highly suggest using a water-bong with a butane ("windproof")lighter if you decide to smoke it, as the vaporization point of Salvia is very high. If you're like me and have never tried it, I would start out with smoking it, because you don't know how your mind is going to react with Salvia. If you decide you don't like the trip within the first 2 or 3 minutes by quidding it, you've got about 33-60 minutes to go. Smoking it only lasts about 5-10 minutes, but like I said, it's FAR more intense of a trip.

Originally Posted by COMBO RICO

Also, can you give me and idea of how much of a dent buying it puts in your wallet?

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(Warning: Only those with a LOT of experience with salvia should attempt trying 20x! Or even 10x!)

Originally Posted by COMBO RICO

I'm 18 1/2 heheh and can purchase it with no problems only don't want to have a confrontation with my parents who are deeply religious Catholics heh. Any ideas in this department? (I live in the austin area of that helps)

I would suggest purchasing it online, but having it sent to a buddy's house. If not, you might could find an old abandoned house near you, then pick the package up when they deliver it.

Originally Posted by COMBO RICO

I plan on not having a sitter contrary to all the info I read, mainly because I think I can remain calmer by myself and really don't want to put any of my friends in that position and as said before, I want to slowly introduce myself to Sally O'Mally.

I HIGHLY suggestusing a sitter for the firsttime.Even with plain leaves, you may not know what to expect on yourintroduction. Have your sitter recordwhat youspeak and how you move, then decide if you could handle it by yourself, although I DO NOT suggest trying any extracts without a sitter - even if you are experienced.

Originally Posted by COMBO RICO

Last question for now, How clearly do you remember these experiences? I plan on using the herb for a spirtual crutch and fully realize what many already experience as different realities etc.

From what I've heard, most people remember most oftheir smoked experiences (I'veyet to read about an experience involving the quid method). On the S-A-L-V-I-A scale, most anyone that reaches a stage 5 or 6 will not remember the majority of their trip. Here isa non-brief description of the Salvia Scale. (Credit goes to SageWisdom.org)


Level - 1 "S" stands for SUBTLE effects. A feeling that "something" is happening, although it is difficulty to say just what. Relaxation and increased sensual appreciation may be noted. This mild level is useful for meditation and may facilitate sexual pleasure.


Level - 2 "A" stands for ALTERED perception. Colors and textures are more pronounced. Appreciation of music may be enhanced. Space may appear of greater or lesser depth than is usual. But visions do not occur at this level. Thinking becomes less logical, and more playful; short-term memory difficulties may be noted.


Level - 3 "L" stands for LIGHT visionary state. Closed-eye visuals (clear imagery with eyes closed: fractal patterns, vine-like and geometric patterns, visions of objects and designs). The imagery is often two dimensional. If open-eyed visual effects occur, these are usually vague and fleeting. At this level, phenomena similar to the hypnagogic phenomena that some people experience at sleep onset occur. At this level, visions are experienced as "eye candy" but are not confused with reality.


Level - 4 "V" stands for VIVID visionary state. Complex three-dimensional realistic appearing scenes occur. Sometimes voices may be heard. With eyes open, contact with consensual reality will not be entirely lost, but when you close your eyes you may forget about consensus reality and enter completely into a dreamlike scene. Shamanistic journeying to other lands--foreign or imaginary; encounters with beings (entities, spirits) or travels to other ages may occur. You may even live the life of another person. At this level you have entered the shaman's world. Or if you prefer: you are in "dream time." With eyes closed, you experience fantasies (dream like happenings with a story line to them). So long as your eyes are closed you may believe they are really occurring. This differs from the "eye candy" closed-eye imagery, of level 3.


Level - 5 "I" stands for IMMATERIAL existence. At this level one may no longer be aware of having a body. Consciousness remains and some thought processes are still lucid, but one becomes completely involved in inner experience and looses all contact with consensual reality. Individuality may be lost; one experiences merging with God/dess, mind, universal consciousness, or bizarre fusions with other objects--real or imagined (e.g. experiences such as merging with a wall or piece of furniture). At this level it is impossible to function in consensual reality, but unfortunately some people do not remain still but move around in this befuddled state. For this reason a sitter is essential to ensure the safety of someone voyaging to these deep levels. To the person experiencing this the phenomenon may be terrifying or exceedingly pleasant; but to an outside observer the individual may appear confused or disoriented.


Level - 6 "A" stands for AMNESIC effects. At this stage, either consciousness is lost, or at least one is unable to later recall what one had experienced. The individual may fall, or remain immobile or thrash around; somnambulistic behavior may occur. Injuries can be sustained without pain being felt; on awakening, the individual will have no recollection of what he/she did, experienced, or said in level 6. People cannot recall what they experience in this very deep trance state. This is not a desirable level, because nothing can latter be recalled of the experience.

Hope this information helped! Sorry for the long post!Edited by: Alfa

[COMBO RICO]

Don't be sorry at all, your answers are very well taken and I really
dig that idea of the vacant house pick up. But hopefully a friend is
willing to get it for me.



Few more questions:



What exactly is extract? Is it crunched up leaves or an entirely
different material? I've seen pictures but its hard to make out.



I've read that there is no apparant tolerance to salvia divinorum, does
this mean that after coming down and wishing to continue the experience
that I could take another hit as if it were my first one?\



How much control over subject of the experience do u have? An example,
if I wanted to remember early child hood, is it possible to at least
influece your trip in that direction?

[scyrusurcys]

<div style="text-align: center;">C</span>ombo,
the word "extract" is referring to how much potency is in a set amount
of leaves. For example - 5x extract means that the producer forced the
potency of 50 leaves into 10 leaves - thus giving you 5 times the
potency of regular leaves [50 divided by 10 = 5x]. The same thing goes
for 10x, 15x, and 20x. Extract is simply finely crushed salvia
leaves, but with whatever potency that person is trying to accomplish.
In a more detailed view, extract is taking the active ingredient of
Salvia (Salvinorin-A) and seperating it from it's original leaf - the
extraction is then soaked into a new set of regular dried leaves,
producing a stronger leaf. The amount of extract various, thus giving
us 5x, 10x or 20x. There is relatively 2-3mg of Salvinorin-A per gram
of regular dried leaf; thus, 5x extract would mean that the 2-3mg is
multiplied by 5, giving you about 12.5mg of Salvinorin-A. These
measurements can then be classified as standardized or non-standardized:</font></font>



Standardized 5x extract = The chemist has
successfully taken clear measurements in producing the extract with
exactly 12.5mg of Salvinorin-A per gram of leaf.</font></font>



Non-Standardized 5x extact = The chemist
guessed relatively how much extract would be added to regular leaf, in
which the results could vary greatly. You may get less potency, or
possibly even more than you could handle.</font></font>



What do you mean by apparent
tolerance? If it's what I'm think you mean, then you CAN start another
trip after you've just come down. However, I don't remember reading any
experiences that the person did. Most people say that they'd rather sit
and watch the visuals that they get and let it wear off, rather than
continue another trip.</font></font>



Having never smoked salvia
before, I'm not exactly sure how much control you could have over what
you'd like to see/experience. I would presume that the setting you are
in could play a major role in it, tho. I've heard that having peaceful
music playing, that one could actually SEE the sound waves and be one
with the music. </font></font>

I suggest, as well as everyone
else, that your surroundings be VERY quiet and moderately dark -
possibly just candle-light. It's said that the slightest noises could
interrupt a user's experience, so if you're going to be playing music,
I recommend it to be soft, relaxing, and on low volume -as the effects
of salvia tend to increase your hearing ability. </font></font>



As far as helping to control your
experience, I'm wondering if your sitter could remind you of past
experiences, and you be able to see them as if you were living them...?
(Make sure your sitter doesn't talk too much, tho. It may ruin your
trip entirely)



If you have anymore questions, please post!

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[RoboCop]

I'd tried the quid method with nearly a full gram of 5x exctrat bought from my favorite Shaman site. chewed for abotu 45 minutes following all directions for the quid method and ended up wasting a gram of standardized salvia 5x extract. Alot of beginners to saliva seem to want to try the quid method but once you try it you usually find smoking is a better way to go, I also rather use a quid method if I could so I could do it in my house with no worries, but I tried several times with no real effect. The most I got from a quid was a slight change in conciousness. I have gotten more of an experience for a few bong hits of dry leaves from a 3 foot bong.

[COMBO RICO]

Questions:

The peak period of salvia divinorum seems quite short, when on it, do
you realize the shortness of the effect? Or does time seem to prolonge,
if so how exagerated can it get? couple of hours, days, weeks, months,
years hehe j/k



Do I need to..well not practice, but be prepared to inhale the smoke. I
mean because I don't have any experience with smoking of any kind, will
I still be able to affectively inhale and not waste anything? Is it
just self control? Or is it just inevitable that I cough and waste?

[RoboCop]

The peak is really short, but when you really breakthrough even reading daniel sieberts experiences when he came down in 10-15minutes he thought "thank god it didn't last anylonger" Of course that experience was with 70-80% salvinorin A. But the extract can get you thinking the same, you will be glad the duration is short, no one needs to be mind fucked for an hour of salvia trippin. (although I would if I could, and regret it later) As for how long it feels that depends on the person and the experience and the level of the trip. A level 1 salvia trip won't give you any alter in time.

[strider]

Combo Ricco , forget even attempting to smoke regular Sally leaf . It is so harsh you will bevery disappointed with the results . Esp. if you are a non smoker you will not be able to hold in the smoke long enough . I would suggest you get 10x enhanced leaf at least , even then it is still harsh . I personally have tried pretty much every method out there and have a well worn Salvia track record . May I suggest that you check out Erowid's Vault , you will find all kinds of answers to your questions .


BTW. if you really do this right and go beyond just the eye candy stageand don't freek out , you are about to have the biggest paradigim shift of your life .


Good luck !


http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml

[scyrusurcys]

<div style="text-align: center;">S</span>trider,
first of all, everyone who smokes Salvia for the first time will have a
different tolerance level and a different experience with it. If
someone were to smoke just regular leaves, it is very possible that
they could experience one of the most mind-blowing trips of their life.
It's all about the tolerance level. Even if you're not a smoke-addict,
it's still possible that you can hold the smoke in for 20-30 seconds -
believe me, I've tried it</span> - just not with Salvia.

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[strider]

WellScyrusurcyswhat can I say , your a better man then me .


I was just speaking from a non smoker's experince . And you are right about the different tolerance levels , but I have yet to hear of anyone who blew a flat level 5 with just plain leaf.

[Dualpower]

"How much control over subject of the experience do u have? An example,
if I wanted to remember early child hood, is it possible to at least
influece your trip in that direction?"



I don't think you have no control over the experience. Have you ever
been knocked out or fainted? Similar feeling. You finish taking your
second hit, then the next thing you know you're slowly waking up out of
a weird trip that just happened.



It is possible that someone could do an experiment and try influencing
a trip before hand by focusing attention or something. Really though,
salvia space is just so different I don't think it would have a
percievable effect.

[Dualpower]

heh .. sorry .. that should say "I don't think you have any control"

[RoboCop]

Well it is your mind after all, experiment with it. You may be able to use salvia to unlock such things. Drugs effects often have to do with the way you see the drug, I think its very possible expecially seeing I've read reports of such things. I don't think you could "control" lady d but maybe use it to your advantage in that direction. With other trip drugs it is definatly possible to influence a trip by your mood, thoughts etc. But salvia would be the hardest she usually takes me where I least expect it.

[COMBO RICO]

Fainting feeling? I just hope I remember it clearly, after all I am
looking for answers, the questions are just as hard to find, but I have
a few.



If you guys could go a little deeper into recalling. Is it like a dream
that can slip past you? Or like a dream that you remember the first few
hours then get lost back into reality?



If and notice if, the drug becauses illegal, how quick will it take
affect? Will I have enough time to stuff my room up and then some, just
able to make a last order, or will the windows be boarded up before I
can even squeeze out a fart?

[nooo]

can someone explain to me why i smoked a quarter ounce stuffie blunt of this and didnt notice anything, all that happened was a sick feeling with a headache, no trippin no anything, i smoke a blunt of weed with it too, onlya gram of pot but in a different blunt. someone straight up say why smoking a huge amount doesnt work, ive read all the refferences and havent found an answer

[RoboCop]

Blunt of dry leaves? Well if you never felt salvia before it is hardest to get that first salvia experience for many people. Best way is to use a torch lighter, bong or pipe (bong recommended) and hold in each hit 20-40 seconds.And hold a flame on the leaf. If its dry leaves take 2-5 consecutive bong rips following the above suggestions. You should be able to achieve your first experience easiest doing this. My first experience was the hardest to reach after some experimenting go back and try a blunt again. Once you start to feel it and have an idea on what to expect it seems to be much easier to achieve effects. Hope this helped.

[Dualpower]

"can someone explain to me why i smoked a quarter ounce stuffie blunt of this and didnt notice anything,"



It works best in a pipe. If you don't have a constant flame the
salvinorin A won't vapourize. Also, if you're like me, then you need
some extract to get anything more than a headache.

[COMBO RICO]

why I don't I have access to salvia trip's video thread??

[COMBO RICO]

Another question:



How often do you guys use salvia?

Also, do you always have a sitter?



If staying in the lower levels and experienced, do you really need a sitter?



At what levels does everyone including "experenced" users need to have a sitter?

[scyrusurcys]

Combo, you have to be a Gold Member in order to access the video thread.

[RoboCop]

I never use a sitter, having people around me when I take salvia makes me feel uncomfortable. I rather be alone in my basement in a comfortable setting. I don't need a trip sitter because I don't move when im on salvia. Just hit it and sit back with my feet up.

[Gijs_b]

I agree with Robocop about the sitter.. I don't like it either, but the first time i smoked I bumped my head against the wall and stuff like that, so i prefer having one, but not to close to me and not paying too much attention to me.

[COMBO RICO]

Seems kinda..strange to have a restriction on videos...whats the deal with that?

[COMBO RICO]

On a personal note,



I hate my father's jesus. My father prays his rosery every day and is
still a horribly lost man. We live in a rented apartment, fully
furnished by the lake, a place where any family should be happy.



Over the holidays, my mother, a very spiritual a overall saintly women,
had her side of the family over. My father being unhappy most of the
time was happy to have a reason to be unhappy (just my opinion based on
observations) Well the weekend is now over and everyone's gone and
today he found a pen mark on a leather chair. To say the least he
was unhappy and it will easily ruin his whole week. To clear things up,
my father isn't violent only once did he "hold me down" but that was a
first time and he is now on medication. So he started bitchin about how
my mom and my aunt should have been watchin the child who did the
marking. She's 4 and personally I guess she's still too young to really
be held acountable, besides the marks look like an accident rather than
an intentional mark.

But anyways at this moment my mother is outside cooking stuff because
thats how she vents. She was crying slightly earlier and I don't really
blame her, my father is beyond the point of ever being fully happy
again.

To get to the point of this, besides my venting of sadness, slight
anger. I just want you all to be reminded, money ain't the answer, it
sure helps you to have the time to think about things like in my case.
But damn, we aren't suppose to live like this, who gives a shit about a
lil mark on some cow skin? and why should it ruin both my mom's week
and my father's? I blame my father's arrogance for most of the
hardships my family, mostly my mom has gone through. And beware of that
fake jesus. Fuck God, gods, saviors, budda, mother nature and all that
bull shit, we just need to love each other.





&nbs p;&nbs p;&nbs p;
With trying love and trying understanding