Sweden media on Spice

[Alfa]

http://tv4nyheterna.se/1.175234/nyhe...ar_pa_internet

My swedish sucks. Can someone translate this?

This shows why the where sales restrictions for spice where sensible.

[dr ACE]

just used a translation site and this is what happend;-

http://www1.worldlingo.com/SG57TOc3O...ar_pa_internet

you can kind of get the just of it..

[Lunar Loops]

Well that doesn't sound like they are necessarily trying to ban it, but are looking at it (no surprise there). Surely it would be very difficullt to ban as they would then have to ban all of the constituent ingredients or are they going to attempt to identify the ones that the feel are 'drugs' and ban them? Either way, SWIS would have thought this would be a legal nightmare to attempt to legislate for and enforce (again, what's new there he hears you all cry).

[Triple7]

Originally Posted by shroomonger

Well that doesn't sound like they are necessarily trying to ban it, but are looking at it (no surprise there). Surely it would be very difficullt to ban as they would then have to ban all of the constituent ingredients or are they going to attempt to identify the ones that the feel are 'drugs' and ban them? Either way, SWIS would have thought this would be a legal nightmare to attempt to legislate for and enforce (again, what's new there he hears you all cry).

Wrong, all they need to do, is to ban one ingredient. I guess it contains blue lotus, so if they banned that one.. then it is forbidden.

I'm trying to load that tv4 page.. but it's way too sloooooooooow...... waited 5 mintues already.

EDIT: (my swenglish translation)

Sales of drugs incrase on internet.

Sales of drugs increase on internet. Distributors and products increase. The development goes so quick that the authorities and parents stand powerless.

Spice is the name of one of the new drugs that one can purchase on internet by a few simple mouse clicks. On one of the webpages where the drugs is sold, it is described as a herbal mix with same effects as cannabis. Similar webpages are getting more common and drugs get as well more common.

Not drug scheduled

The drug trade on the net is run by two different ways. One way is where the drugs are accesible on internet just to anyone anytime. The other way is persons selling drugs via e-mail or forums. The big problem for the police and authorities is that many of the products, for example spice, are not drug schedule in Sweden. The trade is therefore completely legal. And even if everyone agrees on that it is products that should be scheduled, police cannot do anything.

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	Thanks for the translation.
	thannks for the translation

[hh339]

Basically they just state the obvious. "Spice is a new drug that youths can get very easily, and authorities can not fight it (yet) as there are no laws against it." Very pointless article. Sweden is very good at forbidding just about everything, spice would be no exception, but I honestly think they will have some problems banning this one. At least for some time. Let's hope so.

[Alfa]

So what do they say about wanting to bring this info to the EU, in order for the EU to ban it?
note that there is a movie there.

[Zaprenz]

^I've always wondered about spice & it's legal situation.

Didn't individuals take legal action against the big tobacco giants once evidence was found it was strongly linked to cancer [?]

As spice is smoked it's no doubt going to be carcinogenic or present some form of damage to the lungs in some way or another[even if it's just from high temperature particulates]. (whether it's more or less carcinogenic than tobacco is fairly irrelevant to my point)

So in a way the manufacturers are probably taking quite a big risk [?] Agreed all herbal/legal highs are companies taking fairly big risks but a tablet can cause side effects anywhere & considering the range of compounds they contain it's going to be hard to associate for example prostate cancer with compound XYZ in herbal preperation *****.

Lung problems would be much easier to link with (in this case spice) with a herbal compound which one smokes - simply because there is good evidence any high temperature particulates of any form smoked nearly always cause problems.

I can see spice being more likely than other "legal drugs" being regulated/banned quicker than others simply because a) chances are it probably does do damage to lungs (most smoked things do) and b) No government get incomes from any form of specific tax on it [...and any government which did these days would most likely be very unpopular with the "war on drugs" etc]

Oh and it's sold as an alternative to cannabis. My prediction is it will go fairly soon or the EU will come up with nasty catch'all laws [they possibly already exist but haven't been put to use yet] Possibly even a ban on smoking ANYTHING will come in to force seeing as tobacco is heading in to the banned territory.

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Well put.

[hh339]

Originally Posted by Alfa

So what do they say about wanting to bring this info to the EU, in order for the EU to ban it?
note that there is a movie there.

They do not mention anything about what you speak of, no. Well unless I missed anything, I am incredibly hung over. "With just a few mouseclicks, you can now get hash right to your mailbox", LOL.

Nagognog2, I didn't know this, not very surprised though. My country is a very grey one, and many people on the streets are already half dead. Drained of life.

[dr ACE]

Originally Posted by hh339

They do not mention anything about what you speak of, no. Well unless I missed anything, I am incredibly hung over. "With just a few mouseclicks, you can now get hash right to your mailbox", LOL.

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with a few clicks you can get just about anything.paying for it is not that simple,buying cannabis is risky on the net.

guess they have to ban it because people enjoy it and it is even slighty related to cannabis/drugs

[Mint boi]

Well spice is marketed as an incence, not for human consumption. Soooo people shouldn't be smoking it! and I think the reason that people could sue the tobacco companies is because they marketed cigarettes as good for your health!

EDIT: finally found the link alpha posted in another thread for the spice website "use" page! http://www.spice-gold.eu/EN/spice_use.html

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good point about incense

[Zaprenz]

Ah of course - didn't realise it was marketed as incense.

[Mint boi]

To ban spice would they have to ban the ingredients in spice? presumably they wouldnt ban vanilla and marshmallow, but would they have to ban the main psychoactive ingerdients? Otherwise what would stop someone from releasing the same mix under a diff name... like "chill"?

[Thirdedge]

Police in New Zealand warned of Spice after complaints from a teenagers mother. Police claimed it contained 15 ingredients and sent it off for further testing. Nothing more has been said or done since.

[Alicia]

swia wonders as looking at spice it looks like ground up cannabis (apart from cannabis does not smell of vanilla) and also ponders if people are saying there spice is spice when its just ground up cannabis they put in the spice pouches.

[Nagognog2]

Geez....and you wonder why the Swedes have the highest suicide rates on Earth. Guess they want to keep their record intact.