Neo Doves Experience Réport

[Lehendakari]

Today SWIM tried Neo Doves. He was very hesitant to use again these misterios products as the previous experiences with spirits and subcoca left a horrid comedown.

But SWIM was stupid enough to try ND. First I want to make clear that I don't recommend anyone trying these products, for reasons we all know. Whe don't know what's in it so it is really a bad desision to try them.

Anyway as I said, SWIM was stupid enough to try it.

#1

1:30 am SWIM has drunk a alchol and he is pretty drunk, but still motor skills are fine. He doesn't dare to drive but he is ok.

2:30 am SWIM got even more drunk and swalowed 1/2 neo dove capsule.

3:00 am Nothing yet, just an alcohol buzz.

3:15 am SWIM meets GF and GF's friends, he notices jaw is moving and he speaks very fast and he is in a great mood. Normally he is very shy and doesn't talk too much to GF's friends, but this time is quite different. GF doesn't notices anything wrong, and neither her friends.

3:45 am Things are going good but he doesn't feel very much the Nd so he swallows the other half

#2

4:15 am SWIM is feeling fucking awesome but there is no empathogenic feeling, he just wants to enjoy the high by himself, does't have the need to talk to other people or friends. Stimulation is great and breathing feels so good. No music appreciation noticed.

5:00 am SWIM is surprised how he can enjoy being alone in a pub smiling and feeling good. Chest pressure.

6:00 am coming down. Not as bad as Spirits and SC but not good. He goes home.

6:30am. 0.5 mg alprazolam taken and preparing to go to bed.

#3

Advice: don't get these products. Simply not worth it. There are better alternatives.

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Thanks for the report.

[Euphoric]

Is there anything SWIY can compare them to? On what grounds does SWIY not recommend them? Not worth it because of the price or the unknown contents of the pills? Or because the comedown sucks? What alternatives would SWIY say are better and why? If the active ingredient were found to be relatively harmless, lets say on par with psilocybin, would SWIY's opinion change?

[Lehendakari]

Is there anything SWIY can compare them to?

It's been too long since SWIM did MDMA but the body feelings are very similar. He feels much more euphoric with ND but less empathogenic. There is no extreme fake loving towards people, not even a push to socialize it's just a good feeling over nothing. You feel chatty and happy but one could enjoy the high by his own. Stimulation and side effects are very similar to coke.

On what grounds does SWIY not recommend them? Not worth it because of the price or the unknown contents of the pills? Or because the comedown sucks?

SWIM experienced the most horrid comedown SWIM ever had with Spirits and SC (which SWIM thinks contain same ingredients) but it wasn't too bad with ND probably cause he slept it off with alparazolam. Next day (yesterday) he was out of it and slept most of the day. Today he feels fine.

Price is too high, high is too short, there are safer, cheaper and better alternatives and of course, we don't know what we are ingesting/snorting/whatever. The comedown feels very toxic, like your whole brain is fried. Not good at all. If you don't have downers handy and time to sleep be ready for a few hours of hell.

Personally I rather drugs that make me feel social. I love social interaction euphoria. This is just fake artificial euphoria which is nonetheless a great feeling.

What alternatives would SWIY say are better and why?

Any classical upper is a better alternative IMO. Amphetamine, Coke, BZP, Methylphenidate gives a considerable amount of euphoria and you brain doesn't feel so scattered afterwards. MDMA is better too, depending on what your looking for.

If SWIY likes MDMA better than coke and amphetamine SWIY would like these products as a legal alternative. SWIM is a classical upper lover so ND and related products weren't what he was looking for.

If the active ingredient were found to be relatively harmless, lets say on par with psilocybin, would SWIY's opinion change?

It wouldn't change SWIM's opinion cause his body would still be rejecting this active ingredient. Besides that is very unlikely to happen, psilocybin actually feels good when it wears off, kind of antidepressant feeling for 2-3 days after the trip.

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please use SWIM and dont incriminate yourself, especially as a gold member..

[MrG]

Interesting. SWIM has come to enjoy this particular product (yes he knows how dumb it is to be taking something that contains an unknown compound) a number of times over the past few weeks and has found the body load to be negligible.

But then again SWIM does not consume ND's with alcohol, something that even the manufacturers advise against excessive use of.

SWIM found that, after the 2/3 hours euphoria, the speedy buzz he was left with was an excellent platform for a few shots of GHB. It enhanced and rounded out the amphetamine like buzz and brought back some of the euphoria.

The next day SWIM finds he is aware that the speediness hasn't completely gone but it seems to actually help in keeping him going through the day until he is ready to chill out come the evening.

He personally, so far at least, considers that the come-down and recovery is even much easier than cleaned coke.

SWIM tried an experiment where, after rolling on a Friday, he felt kinda tired come Saturday evening and wondered if dropping an ND would get him fully rolling again even if he started out feeling a bit listless. It worked a treat and he had just as good a time on Saturday night as he did on Friday.

Yes there are way too many questions concerning this particular product, but just on personal subjective experiments alone there is yet to be found proof of anything of major concern.

In another thread somebody stated that if one were to buy MDMA from a dealer than it is simply a case of "buyer beware" and that whilst you might not know how pure the powder or tablet was, at least you were fully aware of that risk. He then went on to state that if you buy a product from a company that is "pretending" to be legit then the same risk acceptance doesn't apply and that it is wrong for someone to be willing to take the chance on the safety of a product.

SWIM doesn't believe that for one minute. Look how many big pharma products (thalidomide for one) started off with great promises and turned out to bite the consumer on the ass. The same goes for scoring from a dealer, the product passes through so many hands that there is no way at all for the end user to have any faith in its quality.

As far as ND's are concerned SWIM feels that only the most naive of consumers would believe they were buying something that had been 100% legitimately manufacured, tested and approved.

SWIM feels that there is no difference in risk assesment when it comes to buying powders and pills from dealers than there is in buying powders and pills from the manufacturers of ND's.

FYI though SWIM has only tested ND Compressors and, due to current satisfaction with this product, is not motivated to try the other types available.

SWIM hopes this thread or posting does not fall foul of the D-F rules but mods should accept that it is extremely difficult to have a discussion about these products without mentioning their name as they cannot be referred to by any other chemical name until the active ingredient is known.

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Appreciate the post.

[Lehendakari]

But then again SWIM does not consume ND's with alcohol, something that even the manufacturers advise against excessive use of.

Note that the only time SWIM didn't get a nasty comedown was when he mixed with alcohol. The trials with SC and SP's were alcohol free and it was when horrible feelings came after the euphoria wore off.

SWIM isn't saying that alcohol help him mitigate comedown, he thinks it was cause he slept with alprazolam help. The other times he didn't sleep or used benzos. He used small amounts of gbl during SC comedown and helped a little.

I think there's general agreement that mixing alcohol with other drugs is stupid but I don't think they had a bad interaction.

SWIM feels that there is no difference in risk assesment when it comes to buying powders and pills from dealers than there is in buying powders and pills from the manufacturers of ND's.

I disagree. If one goes and bus a gram of coke, heroin, meth he can purify it with methods explained on this same forum, but how are you going to purify ND? Even if it doesn't need to be purified cause it's in pure form, you don't know what's in them and it could be the new thalidomide.

[MrG]

Originally Posted by Lehendakari

I disagree. If one goes and bus a gram of coke, heroin, meth he can purify it with methods explained on this same forum, but how are you going to purify ND? Even if it doesn't need to be purified cause it's in pure form, you don't know what's in them and it could be the new thalidomide.

The type of people who go to the trouble to *really* clean their street bought products are unlikely to be the type of people for whom the perceived risk with ND's would be acceptable anyway.

As for the final issue regarding the safety of the uknown compound is it not any different than for those who choose to experiment with RC's?

[Lehendakari]

As for the final issue regarding the safety of the uknown compound is it not any different than for those who choose to experiment with RC's?

Yes, I agree with this. Trying RC's is a russian roulette but many RC's have been known long ago and some of them have been checked and passed some FDA tests.

[Euphoric]

What do you mean "passed some FDA tests"?

In what regard? What substances and what are your sources? We're talking things that are currently considered as RCs, right?

[chrisn]

At least with RC's you usually know exactly what substance you are trying, and for most of them, there are similar chemicals out there that have well known dangers and toxicities. While it of course is not safe to assume that for example, 4-ho-mipt, is just as safe as psilocin, it's pretty likely that it is, and if I did drugs, I would be a lot more confident taking that than an unknown.

[Lehendakari]

Originally Posted by Euphoric

What do you mean "passed some FDA tests"?

In what regard? What substances and what are your sources? We're talking things that are currently considered as RCs, right?

Desoxypipradrol, 4-mar and BZP were researched long ago for pharma companys in humans, and I understand that for a drug to be tried in humans has to pass several test including toxicity and genotoxicity. Wiki has info on that but there is more accurate info i'll post later. Yes SWIM is lazy.

[Resurrection]

Did anybody try the new old range of products?

[fuckthepolice]

dont do these in sitautions which are stressful. second time swim took these they smoked 2 joints and a couple of beers on them and went crazy. heart went mental brain couldnt cope with any sound . couldnt relax AT ALL. it was fucking horrible!!! . probably the worst experience of swim's life . however it got much better after about half an hour as they went outside. and the fresh air helped!!.