Overdose - Propylhexedrine Overdose with 500mg (via two Benzedrex inhalers)

[Nacumen]

SWIM's friend's friend overdosed on propylhexedrine and resulted in hospitalization. Report posted by request.

Subject is male, 18 years of age, weighs approximately 115-130 lbs (52-59kg). Subject had brief prior experience with the drug:
1 Week prior to overdose, subject had tried 250mg for the first time via ingestion Benzedrex inhaler cotton ball. Loved it.
6 Days later, subject tried the same again with 250mg. Liked it, but did not feel the same euphoria as before. Time of ingestion unknown, however approximated at 3-4pm. Slept for 6-8 hours (estimate), waking up 12:30 or so. Quality of sleep unknown, but subject did not complain of sleeplessness.

The next day, the subject ingested 2 inhalers worth of cotton (500mg Propylhexedrine) in the afternoon, at approximately 5 pm. Began to note normal effects after a couple of hours, and then about an hour afterwards noted that "visuals were like triple C's" (in that his vision was being warped and fishbowl-like). Odd, considering propylhexedrine does not normally give such visuals. Most likely the first sign of psychosis - and possibly partly owing to the fact that the 250mg from the night before had also not finished its course yet.

Subject did not sleep, but enjoyed most of the night. At around 1pm the next day, subject checked himself into the hospital after feeling intense strain on his heart, reappearing in waves, every so often for several hours previous. Upon arrival in the hospital, subject was given nothing and pretty much made to wait out his fate. This is when the psychosis really kicked in. Subject went, according to one report, "bat-shit crazy", talking randomly, nonsensically and maniacally. Subject woke up from this state about a day to a day and a half later just fine, acting his normal self.

What is to learn from this? Well, probably that 500mg is too much for someone with low weight to handle safely, even if they have a slight tolerance to begin with. 312.5mg (1.33 inhalers) would have been more prudent for the subject rather than the 500mg opted for, and only after at least a full day's break after the drug had completely left his system.

Reputation Comments on this post:

	good informative post, helped swim
	Thanks, SWIM made a better dosage decision.

[angela20377]

Thanks for the post, swim has been experimenting with the benzedrex inhalers and is curious about how much it takes for a person to od on the substance. swim has only done 2 of the inhalers at a time (500mg total) and while it provides the kick that reminds her of adderall, she is worried about the side effects. its amazing that only two inhalers caused an od, swim has taken that much and she weighs less than swiy's friend.

[Stuck]

Thats what happens when SWIY doesn't get enough sleep! Need teh REM. =)

SWIM wouldn't really call that an overdose. He always has heart issues, weird unpleasant chest congestion and whatnot while on propylhexedrine.

[Nacumen]

Perhaps SWIM didn't properly convey the pain the subject was feeling. It was reportedly nigh unbearable.

SWIM has been in a similar state before. What the subject described was not merely a string of strong, somewhat agitating heartbeats. It was disabling and most likely scary as hell.

True, it does not seem like he would have required hospitalization. But I certainly couldn't say that it was absolutely unnecessary, and neither should anyone. When this kind of stuff happens, it's better to err on the side of caution. SWIM tells me he personally would not have checked in at such a low dosage, even despite the adverse effects, but he also tells me that no one really knows what the subject was feeling but the subject himself, and if he really felt he had to press eject, then no one should have tried to stop him.

[kaliwraith]

SWIM experienced something similar... SWIM will give me the dream he wrote for Erowid that never made it to post in an hour or two (his first write up did, however, but was written before the really terrible things happened. I can post that.)
Here is SWIM's first write up:

"My friend J told me all about Propylhexedrine, saying it was his favorite drug out of MJ, alcohol, salvia/amanitas (ha! - he got 'trapped in the 5th dimension'), and various pharms. Anyway, I got a Benzedrex and capped up the cotton part. Smelled like lavender, but it wasn't bothersome yet. Took them just before 1st period.

An hour later, I experienced an intense euphoric peak. There were these great pleasurable shivers that ran through my body. It was as if I was so fast at everything that everything seemed to slow down. I felt speedy all day (very very speedy) and it felt great to do anything. I took four pages of notes in English on a 20 minute presentation - very out of character for me. I discovered that scratching or rubbing my scalp produced very pleasurable waves of euphoria.

After school, I had a few cigarettes with some buddies and picked up another benzedrex, as did M. At J's house, M ate his, and I gagged mine down, dry heaving every time I tried to swallow. Up until now, the smell of lavender on my breath and my burps hadn't been too bad. Suddenly it was the most nauseating smell in the world. This time I tried just eating it in 3 pieces - bad idea. This stuff tastes very very bad.

I felt weird and kept burping, but coming up was fairly enjoyable. I played with J's dog and had a nice conversation/'rational discussion' about Christianity and 'Organized Religion'.

I began to feel intense nausea just before every burp, but figured out that holding my nose tightly eliminated most of the lavender part of the burps. I said 'let's get some MJ so as to relieve this awful nausea.' and immediately threw up into an iced tea container. That was very conveniently located. Getting the cotton out of my throat was rather difficult - I had to undergo many throat contractions to get it out. I felt a lot better, but still a lot of nausea, that's some sort of paradox.

After this, the crash was not great. Until I ate some Spaghettio's at 9:30 (first food all day, only drank some water, iced tea, and Gatorade, all of which were lost when I puked), I felt horrible nausea. I still feel it, but as the Spaghettio's have taken over the lavender scent, it's bearable. I believe that my weight may have something to do with my negative reaction to the second dose. I am 6'1' and 135 lbs, so most drugs affect my body much more than the average individual. 300 mg DXM causes a 6 hour 3rd plateau trip [with another 6-15 hours of lower plateaus] for me. It was not very wise to take a second dose on the first day I've done a new drug."

This is actually the only time SWIM can say he "overdosed" on anything. He learned a lot from this.

[kaliwraith]

SWIM's other post is in retrospect. Any differences between the two may result from error in memory or readjustment based on thoughtful reflection.
Anyway, here it is.

"250 mg propylhexedrine
(t+8:00)250 mg propylhexedrine

18 y/o male
135 lb
6’1”

After hearing about propylhexedrine from a good friend of mine, I decided I wanted to try it. We would do drugs together that were relatively uncommon in a town full of cocaine and marijuana - Syrian rue, 2c-e, kratom… prop. He likes to smoke mj but I am unusually sensitive to it. I have had experiences in which I smoked about 150 mg of high quality mj and became very dizzy to the point of vomiting and passing out. I’m trying to provide a general sense of background information without mentioning every drug I’ve done and how many times. I’ve done a lot… in comparison to everyone I know.

One fine morning I capped up the cotton ball from one benzedrex inhaler (containing 250 mg propylhexedrine) inside three capsules and consumed them in my first period class in school. This was at 8:30 am. I have only taken drugs in school one other time. I naively consumed about 75 morning glory seeds during lunch and began tripping in English, but I made the best of it and ended up writing a ton of poetry in a very short amount of time for a project I on which had been procrastinating. Anyway, this is unusual behavior for me.

I began to notice slight visual distortions - nystagmus, if you will. Interestingly, I get some sort of visual distortions on virtually every drug. That’s usually what I use to measure threshold. For example, I get incredibly pronounced tracers and melting effects when I drink alcohol, even just one beer.

Anyway, I began to get the lavender burps which continued throughout the day. They were okay at first, but after a while every burp became nauseating. I learned to exhale completely through my mouth whenever burping. Lavender quickly became the worst smell to which anyone could possibly introduce me.

Also, within twenty five minutes I noted low intensity full body chills. It was fun.

The next hour and a half was full of anticipation. Nothing notable really happened. I felt some mild effects, but coming up still took a while and came VERY suddenly.

I was standing with a friend when suddenly time seemed to slow down. I noted that I could drop things and easily reach down to pick them up in such a way that indicated I possessed super speed. [jest]. I also felt that I was extremely strong and was able to break 2x3’s on my knee. Maybe I was just not feeling much pain (though I didn’t bruise) and was very confident in my newfound abilities.

The chills were amazing. Like an orgasm, but full body, starting from between the shoulder blades and making its way up to the scalp and down the extremities.

I had a presentation to do in Calc. Instead of simply solving the problem and presenting how to do it, I felt compelled to solve it in nine different ways and prove some general formula for something related. It was really fun, but my teacher left me with the comment “you’re great at math, but never be a teacher!”

Everything else that day was just really silly and fun.

Now to the bad part.

At 4:30 pm, the effects had just about worn off. I ingested another 250 mg cotton ball. Bad idea.

45 minutes later, I vomited about a half gallon of liquid because I had made sure to keep hydrated all day. I felt the cotton come back up one piece at a time, but I have never been sure if the last piece ever came up. This is important for later.

I was unable to eat for the next twenty six hours and periodically burped small amounts of vomit during this time. I felt very sick and managed to convince my parents I had food poisoning. I retreated to my room.

Unable to sleep, I spent the entire night in bed, writing in pain. I felt like throwing up but could not, and I had severe abdominal pains.

At 6:00, I underwent something that I can only describe as amphetamine psychosis, or delirium. I was all over the place, mentally. Little gnomes danced around me, hitting me with little knives and ridiculing me in another language. I saw inside my body, my organs were melting. I did not know who I was, but when I came out of my body, I was sure that I didn’t want to be inside the person’s body that was going through pain. I saw myself in the third person as if I was sitting up and could freely turn around my waist, but my body was lying down, flat.

It was really terrible. Around 8:00 the hallucinations diminished and I had to get up because I was going skiing. I felt okay while I was skiing, but in the moments during which I was sitting, walking, doing anything but skiing, I felt sick. Also, not being able to eat really made things difficult as I had very little energy to get through the day. I’m very thin, so I don’t have much to spare in the way of daily calories. I got by, though, and was suddenly able to eat and defecate at 6:30 pm.

I really liked propylhexedrine, but it’s very dose sensitive. Also, if I do it again, I’ll need to find some hydrochloric acid… eBay I suppose. It seems that ether is easy to obtain, so purification wouldn’t be much of a problem. I just can’t stand lavender. I sure learned from this mistake and always work my way up to high doses of chemicals, especially with my sensitivity to everything I’ve ever tried (except for opiates, to which I’m unusually resistant."

[spa]

Very strange to overdose on that...

SWIM, ahem, weighs the same as this kid and has taken 3 at ounce before no problems. SWIM's stomach did hurt the following day

[plur]

since pergamat disaper from hes neck of the woods swim benzedrex has become his best friend for years (when his girl friend "addy" and her much cooler sister methny where out of town that is) and way past the whole getting to know it stange would like to note two things
1.more then one inhale is to much for some one who to much for some one who doent know it very well the inhaler for some for some reson have incusistend doses (propbly to long of a stoage before you buy it)
2. i notcied a very slight pycodellec effcct it hars to notie for me a lest but it there

[kaliwraith]

Damn, that's the worst spelling and grammar I've ever seen... but I can read it somehow. What's notable that he points out is the pseudo-psychedelic effects of the chemical - less psychedelic, more hallucinogenic, somewhat like mdma, also some sort of time dilation.

[plur]

swim read ands right based on the shape size and viasal accuent of the words rather then the idaval charaters much is the way a person would right a letter of the apabet on a piace of paper you cand intept most people read in a very simal way but most dont right that way hence me reading very well and typing like a 2nd grater read and righting are very diffent mech in the brian i if my brain does both in smiler way one or both are likely to suffer also becouse of my mental illness (not too serus) i dont in a lierner manner so driffent parts of my posts some times get riten in random shot gun blast from my head and alot of my post are are taped togeter vertions of thes but for some reason i am to talk to reslativly clear so idk

[dr. swim]

<i>Upon arrival in the hospital, subject was given nothing and pretty much made to wait out his fate.</i>

That's what they do to me every time I freak out and call 911.

[duG22]

strange swims taken 4 before and had no problem. swim says hes gonna be careful next time he pops beanies

[Lady Codone]

Please be careful with this substance. When you consider that a single inhaler is supposed to last a month or more and be inhaled in microgram doses, and that it was once prescribed as a weight loss aide in doses not exceeding 25 mg., one inhaler likely constitutes an overdose, much less two or three.

SWIM has noticed that her Prozac increases the effects of propyl exponentially, with even small doses (under 25 mg.) lasting 24 hours or more. Anyone know why that might be?

Anyway, propyl's an awesome OTC stimulant (the best she's tried). Let's just hope it STAYS otc

[syndre]

I regularly consume 10+ inhalers in a 24 hour period. 500mg is not a high dose. It's all in your head, IMHO.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Stating 500mg is not a high dose is false information presented as fact.

[Stuck]

Originally Posted by syndre

I regularly consume 10+ inhalers in a 24 hour period. 500mg is not a high dose. It's all in your head, IMHO.

[Hollow Hippie]

SWIM cannot imagine taking more than 250 mg of propylhexedrine, just think of SWIY's blood pressure!

[Lady Codone]

500 mg. is absolutely enough to be considered an overdose...in fact 250 mg. is far more than is technically "safe" or intelligent to take at one time.

When you consider that propylhexedrine is meant to be inhaled in MICROGRAM doses, not taken orally all at once, you get the idea that doses exceeding 100 mg. are probably not safe at all. Add the fact that it was once prescribed as a weight loss drug in the UK (brand name Eventin) in doses of only 25 mg. and that not a lot is known about its potentially deadly effects and you can understand why 500 mg. could be far too much.

In the future, please divide SWIYour doses into much smaller amounts to avoid things like heart attack, stroke, and other complications. The last thing SWIwe need is for this legal stimulant to get bad press due to an overdose, or to lose someone unnecessarily to it.

[Hollow Hippie]

Originally Posted by Lady Codone

500 mg. is absolutely enough to be considered an overdose...in fact 250 mg. is far more than is technically "safe" or intelligent to take at one time.

When you consider that propylhexedrine is meant to be inhaled in MICROGRAM doses, not taken orally all at once, you get the idea that doses exceeding 100 mg. are probably not safe at all. Add the fact that it was once prescribed as a weight loss drug in the UK (brand name Eventin) in doses of only 25 mg. and that not a lot is known about its potentially deadly effects and you can understand why 500 mg. could be far too much.

In the future, please divide SWIYour doses into much smaller amounts to avoid things like heart attack, stroke, and other complications. The last thing SWIwe need is for this legal stimulant to get bad press due to an overdose, or to lose someone unnecessarily to it.

Swiy should remember that propylhexedrine in Benzedrex is a freebase and volatile substance, SWIM would figure Eventin is a hydrochloride salt, so you probably do not actually absorb 100% of what is in an inhaler. It still is dangerous and SWIM agrees with that. Also actually SWIM would imagine propylhexedrine's toxic effects are quite straightfoward and would be similar to an amphetamine and/or vasocontricting agent overdose.

[CaliforniaGreen]

i hope 500 mg is not an overdose i just took 2 benzedrex... 500 mg. ill let you know ..