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French cannabis smokers will have to take part in anti drugs workshops
Couldn't find this Reuteurs news in english, if anyone knows how to change languages on the french Reuters page (it doesn't seem to appear elsewhere in other Reuters sites) let me know i'll repost. can't translate this for now.
French cannabis smokers caught in the act will have to take part in "awareness" focused workshops, lead by police, doctors and psychologists will highlight the multiple dangers of cannabis....this workshop wil cost 450 euros, but we re not told if they will have to payed by the users or by the state...probably the user, ie a 450 euro fine + a compulsary workshop. here's the article : -------------- Les fumeurs de cannabis écoperont de stages de sensibilisation 11.10.07 | 08h27 PARIS (Reuters) - Les usagers de cannabis arrêtés en flagrant délit devront participer à des stages de prévention pouvant coûter jusqu'à 450 euros. Il s'agira de sessions de formation de deux jours, durant lesquelles médecins, psychologues ou policiers évoqueront les dangers pour la santé du cannabis et son implication dans des accidents de la route, explique au quotidien Le Parisien le président de la Mission interministérielle de lutte contre les drogues et toxicomanies (Mildt), Etienne Apaire. Avec 5 millions de fumeurs de joints occasionnels et 1,2 million de consommateurs réguliers, la France bat des records en Europe. Le gouvernement, qui ne souhaite pas dépénaliser l'usage, constate que les politiques de santé publique ne semblent pas avoir été très efficaces jusqu'à présent pour endiguer cette progression, en particulier chez les jeunes. D'où l'idée de donner un tour de vis sans pour autant engorger des tribunaux déjà saturés. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- |
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Re: French cannabis smokers will have to take part in workshops
A quick personal translation:
Paris: Cannabis users arrested for the flagrant/open/detected use of cannabis will have to take a use prevention course costing 450 Euros The sessions will take two days, during which doctors, psychologists and police officers will discourse on the dangers of cannabis to health and it's involvement in accidents on the road, explained the President of the inter-Ministerial task force to fight against Drugs and Drug Addiction (Mildt). With 5 million people smoking joints occasionally and 1.2 million regular users, France breaks use records in Europe. The government does not wish to de-criminalise use and has found that Public Health initiatives have been ineffective in stemming the increase in use, especially amongst young people. Thus it has come up with the system to avoid overloading the already saturated courts. And, seeing as the title says "Smokers Fined for Cannabis awareness courses" I'm guessing that it's the users that have to pay. Last edited by FuBai; 12-10-2007 at 22:20. |
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Re: French cannabis smokers will have to take part in workshops
So let me get this straight, some French tokers will have to pay 450 Euros to listen to some anti-cannabis propaganda for two days, if this is the case I wonder if one could ask to do some community service work or maybe ask for a short prison term instead.
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Re: French cannabis smokers will have to take part in workshops
Thanks FuBai. "ecoper" doesn't really translate as "fined", it's a general term for penal consequences, as in "ecoper d'une peine" , but yes, it's probably the convicted that will have to pay for the workshop.
they're trying to reduce prison population, so a prison term for smoking cannabis is out of the question ( it has been for quite some years now, only convictions dealers, usually on a second offense). As for community service, well the whole idea is that they're trying to do some sort of rehab, which is why it's compulsary. and it's supposed to be for all French smokers, with no discrimination. I guess the the 450 euro fine could probably be turned into a TUC (travaux d'utilite publique) if the person has no way to pay them, but would still end up with the propaganda session. it's pretty infantalising and a darn heavy fine as well for just being caught in the act of smoking... b |
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Re: French cannabis smokers will have to take part in workshops
In a strange way I can see why they would want to do this; at least, that's if I got the translation correct. It is the open use of cannabis in public that will be punished in such a fashion, I'm pretty sure that those private offences that are rarely detected would not carry the same sentence, probably resulting only in confiscation. It is for those who are flagrant in their use that the law is intended to combat - it's more of an attack on drug culture than cannabis itself because it denigrates the integrity and importance of the law to have a law that is so openly flouted.
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Re: French cannabis smokers will have to take part in workshops
indeed, undetected offences are not prosecuted in this way. but your translation is a little off, this new legislation applies to anyone caught using cannabis or intending to use cannabis anywhere, it is not restricted to open use in public.
This would also apply to possession, which is a "flagrant delit" for possession with intent to use drugs. "Flagrant delit" just means caught in the act, pretty much any act related to cannabis use, ie smoking, have a piece of hash in one's pocket etc... you can have a flagrant delit for shop lifting, it's just the legal term for "caught in the act". You can also have a "flagrant delit d'ebrieté sur la voie publique" which just means that you're caught under influence in public etc It's pretty severe actually as it gives a legal framework in which to fine users without having to drag them to court which are saturated, but for smoking only. Whereas before, since the 1997 injunction to police to not use the prosecution arsenal for mere users, caught users would have the joint or small quantity confiscated (not always) and a warning, usually with a recommandation (injonction therapeutique) to see a doctor to help them with their "addiction". now you can get two days of anti cannabis boot camp costing 450 euros, for being caught lighting up say in a park or on the beach or just for riding the subway with a joint in your pocket etc.... if this is strictly applied (as it probably will, the French state needs money) it's pretty drastic it's also quite perversely clever as the 450 euros do not constitute a fine per se, which could lead to legal adjustements, but officialy cover the costs of a compulsary rehab workshop... b Last edited by Benga; 13-10-2007 at 10:14. |
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Re: French cannabis smokers will have to take part in anti drugs workshops
more on this subject, with details in today's Le Monde paper. don't have the time to translate this in the next hours. If anyone has access to an already translated version of Le Monde articles, please check out today's ( 4th January 2008) edition.
this gives details on this new law, which is effective since the January 1st. Cannabis smokers caught smoking can ( read will) be asked to attend educational "workshops" on cannabis use and its many dangers, the workshop costing 450 euro payed by the smoker... If the person is too poor however, the State will pay. The workshop idea comes from Nicolas Sarkozy, who set up the idea when he was still Minister of the Interior,, the idea being to set up "educational" legal and financial sanctions. this is pretty heavy news, and is bringing up many issues as drug user associations don't want to be associated with the repressive side of the legal system. here's the article, in french. b ------------------------------------------------ Le Monde, 01/04/2008 Des stages payants de "sensibilisation" pour les fumeurs de cannabis. C'est la nouvelle arme anti-drogue du gouvernement : à partir du 1er janvier, des "stages de sensibilisation aux dangers de l'usage de produits stupéfiants" pourront être imposés aux consommateurs de drogues interpellés sur la voie publique. Calquée sur le modèle des stages de récupération de points de permis de la sécurité routière, cette sanction "pédagogique" sera payante et visera surtout les jeunes fumeurs de cannabis. Le gouvernement fait le pari qu'il peut modifier leurs comportements. "L'idée, c'est de cumuler sanction et transmission d'informations sur la dangerosité des drogues, explique Etienne Apaire, président de la Mission interministérielle de lutte contre la drogue et la toxicomanie (Mildt). Nous voulons stopper la consommation des usagers qui viennent de l'entamer." Créé par la loi du 5 mars 2007 de prévention de la délinquance - un texte présenté par Nicolas Sarkozy, alors ministre de l'intérieur -, le stage de sensibilisation vise à réaffirmer l'interdit qui pèse sur la consommation de drogues. Alors que l'usage de cannabis s'est massifié depuis une quinzaine d'années, la police n'a procédé, en 2006, qu'à l'interpellation de 84 000 consommateurs de haschich. "Aujourd'hui, on a dépénalisé de fait, reconnaît M. Apaire. Par rapport à l'ampleur du phénomène, on a très peu de sanctions. Or, il y a un certain nombre d'usagers qui pensent être dans une consommation récréative, laquelle devient finalement problématique du fait de l'absence de sanction." Pour "créer un choc", susceptible d'amener les interpellés à "prendre conscience des conséquences dommageables" de l'usage de drogues, la Mildt a innové en tapant au porte-monnaie : les interpellés devront payer jusqu'à 450 euros leur participation aux stages de sensibilisation, l'Etat prenant en charge la somme en cas de non-solvabilité. Prononcés comme alternative aux poursuites ou comme peine principale, ces stages réuniront, pendant un jour ou deux, des petits groupes "homogènes" de mineurs ou de majeurs. Trois thèmes seront abordés : les effets des stupéfiants sur la santé, la loi et les conséquences de sa transgression, les aspects sociaux de l'usage de drogues (risques pour soi et pour autrui, trafics, violences...) Les stages ne seront pas des groupes de paroles, mais les participants pourront confronter leurs expériences. Ceux qui le désireront pourront être orientés vers un dispositif de soins. Sollicitées par la Mildt pour organiser ces stages, les associations intervenantes en toxicomanie sont sceptiques. Si elles reconnaissent que la dynamique de groupe peut être intéressante, elles s'insurgent contre le caractère payant des stages. "Cela va à l'encontre de nos principes de gratuité et d'anonymat, explique Jean-Marie Collard, qui dirige l'association Rimbaud, à Saint-Etienne (Loire). Cela nous pose d'emblée dans le camp de l'institution qui prononce la sanction, et cela peut fausser notre rapport avec les usagers de drogues." "EFFETS PERVERS" Le fait que les stages de sensibilisation ne visent que les personnes interpellées inquiète aussi les associations. La quasi-totalité des fumeurs du cannabis restant à domicile, le dispositif ne peut concerner que les jeunes, souvent en difficulté, qui prennent le risque de consommer dans la rue. " La "porte" interpellation repose sur une logique de maintien de l'ordre et non une logique de santé publique, dénonce Jean-Pierre Couteron, président de l'Association nationale des intervenants en toxicomanie (ANIT). Et si on veut que ces stages marchent, il faut les remplir, et donc accentuer la machine à interpeller. Il y a là un gros risque d'effet pervers." Malgré ces réticences, certains professionnels sont prêts à s'engager dans le dispositif. Jean-Jacques Santucci, qui dirige l'Association méditerranéenne de prévention et de traitement des addictions (Ampta) à Marseille, avait conçu un stage similaire avant l'entrée en vigueur de la loi. "Beaucoup de jeunes commettent des actes délictueux sans le savoir, car ils ne savent même pas que la consommation de cannabis est interdite, relève-t-il. L'usage est de plus en plus banalisé avec une méconnaissance des conséquences juridiques." A condition d'être "maître du dispositif", M. Santucci est donc partant : "C'est une bonne occasion de mettre en contact des personnes en difficulté avec d'autres, qui peuvent leur venir en aide. Pour nous, il s'agit de mettre de la question là où il n'y en a pas." Cécile Prieur Article paru dans l'édition du 04.01.08. CHIFFRES LÉGISLATION. La loi du 31 décembre 1970 punit l'usage de stupéfiants d'un an d'emprisonnement et de 3 750 euros d'amende. Les procureurs évitent l'incarcération et privilégient les classements assortis d'un rappel à la loi, les orientations vers une structure sanitaire ou sociale ou les injonctions thérapeutiques . En 2006, 94 000 personnes ont été interpellées pour usage de stupéfiants, dont 84 000 pour consommation de cannabis. CONSOMMATION. Selon l'Observatoire français des drogues et toxicomanies, la France compte près de 4 millions de consommateurs occasionnels de cannabis, 1,2 million d'usagers réguliers et 550 000 fumeurs quotidiens. En 2006, un adolescent de 17 ans sur deux avait déjà consommé du cannabis, contre un sur cinq en 1993. Video : French people and cannabis : http://www.lemonde.fr/web/video/0,47...-995720,0.html Last edited by Benga; 04-01-2008 at 08:21. |
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Re: French cannabis smokers will have to take part in anti drugs workshops
If SWIM had to participate in such a workshop he would definately attend whilst VERY VERY high, with a strong cannabis smell coming from every pore of his body
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Re: French cannabis smokers will have to take part in anti drugs workshops
If I where gona attend such work shop I would do alot of research on all the recent studies on cannabis and memorise them word for word.
Then in class I would question everything they say and ask for proof and citation of all the information they are providing. On top of that I would ask continues question about everything to do with cannabis and even prepare some complicated physiological one to go with it. I wont be a smart ass, but id sure as hell let em know i am not some dumb ass stoner who will beleive any crap i am told. Hell id break the law just so i could attened such as class for the fun of it, it would be worth just paying the euroes to go. Not that I ever do break the law. |
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Re: French cannabis smokers will have to take part in anti drugs workshops
I wonder how these things are going to turn out. it is clearly explained in the article is that these "workshops" won't be discussion oriented, or rganized like discussion groups, but that users will be able to share their experience on the themes : effects of "drugs" on heatlh, the law and the consequences of transgression, and the social aspect of drug use ( risks for oneself and for others, trafficking, violence).
all this is fine and well but it doesn't change the fact that users are forced to pay 450 euro ( something like US$ 664) for these compulsary things.... which is a pretty heavy fine for being caught smoking a joint in a park or something... b |
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