DXM tolerance

[RoboCop]

I wish there was more information one dxm and tolerance, but there isn't a whole lot around. Take a look at this e-mail I just got from a foaf:

I remember when a 4 oz of syrup could get me off, and get me tripping really good, very dissociated, and be an incredible experience I would never forget. I haven't even been doing it alot lately maybe once a month anymore but I have been experiencing with delsym and it can give me decent buzzes but not very strong and not as dissociative. A few nights ago I did 2 bottles of robo gelcaps which is exactly 600mgs, I felt no dissociation whatsoever. No real buzz at all, mentally I was 100% my pupils where not dialated, my walking was perfectly normal, I had no buzz. The only thing that happened is later on when I closed my eyes I had very mild CEVS and I mean very mild, a little bit of color big deal. And it got my mind to where I couldn't sleep which was very annoying because I wasn't high! So I didn't want to stay awake, but I had too. This sux I will have to probally take 800+ mg to get a buzz. I don't want to lay off the cough syrup any more than I am, I meen im only doing it once a month! I can't do anything that shows up on tests(including alcohol) and I need to get high, I haven't been able to rbeak through with dmt at all yet. Anyone have any suggestions or comments?

[Curtains]

SWIM used to have a tolerance of where he could take 400mg and it wouldn't do shit for him. Finally after about year his tolerance has gone away, during that year he only did it about once a month to check where his tolerance was at - he never really did more then 300mg at once. If one really wants to get rid of that tolerance the only way is to stop doing it for a llllloooonnnnggg time. Even 600-800mg once a month is going to slow one's return.

[serotonin]

A note which was slipped under my door last night:

"I was building up a STRONG tolerance a while ago, and i realized that i should take a break. i waited for months, and after those four months i did a pretty regular dose for me. NO chance whatsoever, i was disappointed. it's gonna take a real long time..."

[Curtains]

A line from an IM conversation I had with SWIM last night:

"even though my tolerance has gone down the high to me just isn't what it used to be. i used to love 2nd plateu trips...but now they seem to have lost the magic."

For SWIM his tolerance really didn't start until he stopped taking DXM...he ordered a 30g bottle and did for a month or more like a bunch of times a week, it wasn't til that ran out and about a month later he ordered another bottle and noticed a tolerance

[Muirner]

This was scribled on the wall of a local public toilet:

Hey everyone, i'm just wondering how fast does the tolerance to DXM build up? The only reason i'm asking is because tonight will be night 3 in a row with me tripping. Yea i understand that it wont be as strong or anything, but i took 354mg at 10:30, and at 11:30 i'm feeling ok. How do the tolerance levels change with DXM? I know with shrooms they go up a bunch.


Muirner

[Muirner]

It continued on the opposite wall:

I'll retract that last comment about feeling ok, i took 4 hits off of a blunt and now i feel like i'm in another world. ahhhhh just cracked my knuckles, my neck, back and feet and i feel wonderful. Love this. I dont even know what to do. but i decided to post here. This trip is the level i'd like to stay at, expecially if i have to take it in liquid form. For some reason i dont stomach liquid form as well as i used to... who knows


Muirner

[Zandorf]

its not a good idea to do dxm day after day like that. i'm sure you're
already aware but take it from a guy who's still feeling the effects of
weekly use for 2 straight years 3 years after stopping, you're
headed for some bad times if you keep abusing dxm like that.



keep it down to once every 2 weeks at the most.

[Muirner]

While flushing I discovered yet another piece of writing:

i know, and i dont plan on hitting dxm this hard for a while, just i have some shit going on in my life and i might not be able to do the things i enjoy for a while, so i'm taking advantage now. I have done it a little much but it's been 3 days in a row, i dont plan on a 4th. What effects do you have still if i can ask?


Muirner

[Loser]

i been doing it 1 year this month this timish really... and i still enjoy it... tolorence took months to start to build... it seemed to build... but i still get effects at small doses... it seems more to me that it not so much a tolorence but u just dont seem to notice certain effects anymore... or u dont get them at all... ill just say that i dont enjoy first plateus trips nearly as much as i use too... but i really enjoy my "tussin space" just a slight buzz and ill still be happy about the trip... but ive only went over 1 gram twice so far... i do this now about 5 times with every 2 weeks... i dose few days in a row then stop for a few days or more... it just ranges... i use to do it alot more... its just to damn expensive when u have a built tolerence... and dont know any sources...
anyways only other tolerence is that my trips are shorter... 4 hours... higher 3rd plateu and + last about that and have ligering effects for a few more hours after but the mental confusion is only there for 1 hour hard and 3 all to together..

[Zandorf]

Originally Posted by Muirner

i know, and i dont plan on hitting dxm this hard for a while, just i have some shit going on in my life and i might not be able to do the things i enjoy for a while, so i'm taking advantage now. I have done it a little much but it's been 3 days in a row, i dont plan on a 4th. What effects do you have still if i can ask?

Muirner

well i lost a lot of my ability to concentrate which is only very slowly coming back, recalling things, names of things etc is much more difficult, my mental math skills are nothing like they used to be and there are times (sayu one or two week periods) where my mood fluctuates 4 or more times a day, makes me pretty hard to be around.

it's not as bad as it was but i don't think i will probably ever fully recover.

[PolyFractus]

Swim have been very cautionous about DXM usage, usually about more than one month apart, but mostly two months if not more. And SWIM has only done DXM about 10 times.

SWIM always does DXM in a specific setting. He lies down and has his eyes cloed for the whole journey, cause that's the way he got introduced to it and he believes that's the only right way to do it. It doesn't promote social interaction and interaction with external reality. Instead when one let CEVs take over, one is transported to alien worlds that renders other substances inferior.

On SWIMS latest experiences there have been a tendency that CEVs have faded in color and less immersive. It's like the visuals become a little clouded and if he tries to look at the details they disappear. Is it really a sign of tolerance? SWIM would like other SWIMS to comment on their experience of tolerance and visuals fading in clarity. SWIM really miss those flybys where the alien world stand out in so clear detail and color that one is almost frightend by the immersiveness of it. I'm sure some SWIMS knows what I'm referring to.

[Lithiumn]

Sounds about what has happened to Swim on 2nd plateau doses. He use to get the fly-bys, but not anymore. Swim barely gets any CEVs now, just some disorientation.

[csharpprogrammer]

Same for SWIM, he doesn't experience ANY hallucinations anymore. SWIM has refrained from use for about four months now. He is hoping to hold off for a few more months and give it a try. He was using DXM at high doses to often. He lost the magic of DXM completely. Will SWIM be able to experience the magic of DXM again if he is off of it for about six months?

[Paracelsus]

In SWIPs experience, five months of complete abstinence (after a period of twice-weekly use and then a break and then 3 doses once a week) didn't change much. May be permanent loss of magic. In his last two experiences, euphoria and CEVs missed completely. Prevention is better than cure.

[Graduisic]

for SWIM when CEV's and OEV's happen, SWIM is in a very introspective state, and swim theorizes that there is an introspective "tunnel" that one travels down when taking DXM. after repeated use, oneself might find they are at the end of that 'introspective tunnel' and everything becomes dull and listless.

...but is that really the end of the tunnel?

if SWIM were to experience his first DXM trip compared to DXM trips now (probably over 500 trips in between), SWIM would probably think that DXM was a completely different drug. swim reached the end of that introspective tunnel long ago, and uses other stimulus to break through into other 'tunnels'. for SWIM, different music and meditation methods open up gateways to new thoughts; turning swim's mind into a sand-box. kind of like achieving lucid tripping, if that makes any sense.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim is sure that if a long break was taken,even longer than five months dxm could regain its joys.Funny how quickly dxm tolerance builds but how long it takes to get rid of it.It built particularly fast with swim.Swim is attributing this to is rather small size and low weight.This could be completely wrong though.

[Tranquil Toad]

I'm sure most people on this forum know about the 50-trip limit. SWIM was doing 800mg once a week or so, then moving up to a 1g. 1g used to give amazing OOB effects, but now it only puts SWIM at a high 2nd low 3rd plateau trip. This has all been discussed before, but I was wondering if anyone has had success with reversed tolerance after abstaining for long periods of time. SWIM was thinking of waiting 1 -1.5 years before trying again. Any reason for SWIM to get his hopes up, or will the magic still be gone after all that time?

[fnord]

i think once its gone its gone for good,swif has noticed its come back a lil bit but not much.

[Graduisic]

the 50 trip limit is more of a psychological side effect from taking DXM for that long; a certain amount of predictibility is present. Physically, one is still at the same level of dissociation but the brain reaches a certain threshold where the dissociated world of DXM is no longer new, exciting, or 'magical' as some might say; it's just another environment for one's mind to function in.

best analogy swim can use is a roller coaster. first time one rides a roller coaster it is thrilling, enjoyable, and unpredictible. by the 10th time one has been on it, the ride no longer functions as a psychological thrill even though the roller coaster itself has not physically changed. so, what does one do? finds ways to make it more fun. try to close one's eyes through the whole ride, etc. apply this same idea to DXM and broaden one's experiences with it. if one finds oneself sitting in the same chair, listening to the same music, falling into the same force of habit when taking DXM will definitely become boring. listen to something new, take oneself to a different environment, the trip will yield better success

Reputation Comments on this post:

Everybody is only thinks of the physical causes of tolerance, while by hallucinants the mental causes are just as import...

[fnord]

yes this increses things but it dosent make it feel the same as it used to from what i understand he dosent want to make the trip stronger he just want it to feel like dxm used to.

[Tranquil Toad]

Well SWIM will have to give the grapefruit juice a try, even though he hates the taste of it. SWIMs DXM tolerance does seem like an actual tolerance and not just him getting used to the effects. It doesn't even put SWIM in the same place anymore. 1g used to floor him, making him lose track of his body and surroundings - now he can actually take a bike ride on it . Oh well, maybe SWIM needs to sniff out some ketamine instead to get back to that place.

[Paracelsus]

I agree with fnord here. For many users (although admittedly not all ones), once tolerance builds up and the magick is lost, it tends to stay so. For SWIP, not even five and a half months of complete abstinence from DXM (and very limited use of other psychoactives) caused a significant change.

Grapefruit juice is reported to potentiate DXM and 'bring the magic back', but for SWIP it brought only plain potentiation (like taking a higher dose). Other attempts to bring anything good back were largely unsuccessful.

[El Calico Loco]

I've said it before: I think it's more than chemical tolerance. I think it's like riding a bike, in a way. When one first tries high-dose DXM, one's body and mind don't know what to do with the dissociated feeling; it's hard to control one's movement and the visuals are out of control. Once one has done it a good number of times, the body and mind adapt.

Swim can now walk around normally on 1g of DXM - an amount that, at one time, would have left him unable to stand. He also gets very few visuals; 800mg used to take him to alien worlds.

These factors made him give up high-dose trips. He still enjoys a low dose of dissociation now and then. A low dose also makes meditation far easier and more productive.

But it's only a hypothesis. This doesn't seem to happen to Ket or NOS users, but these chemicals are a little different - Ketamine tends to take one out of the world entirely, and N2O is extremely short-lived. I wonder if one could lose the magic of nitrous by spending 6-8 hours on it once a week for a year.


ECL

[sarbanes]

Just like the best way to lose weight is diet and exercise, the best way to lower tolerance is abstinance. Its such a powerful way to get your desired effect back because not only are you reducing the tolerance, but you are repairing and rejuvinating your brain close to naive levels if you take an extended holiday. And that is ncecessary if you not only want to reduce tolerance, but *also* want the quality of the trip 2b like it was in the "early days". The simplest boring solutions which work are the hardest to follow.

[The Wizard]

I strongly recommend you trying preloading on Grapefruit juice before your next DXM trip if you want to get stronger effects off the same dose you usually take. Drink 1 12 oz. glass of GFJ (Grapefruit Juice) each hour starting 6-12 hours before you plan to take your DXM. The more hours in advance you start drinking the GFJ the better as that gives your body time to slowly build up more and more GFJ in it. There's chemicals in GFJ which will change how your body metabolizes DXM, making it metabolize more. You may notice that your robotrip is longer than usual as well. Make sure to get white GFJ not the ruby red kind, as most people online report the white variety works better with DXM. GFJ can be bought cheapest at Wal-Mart. A 46 oz. can is like $1.50 or so as I recall.

Another way you can boost the effects you get off DXM is partaking in smoking some Cannabis with it.