Opinions - morphine to heroin: worth it?

[bcubed]

SWIM has been looking at the hows and whys of taking poppy straw all the way to heroin. Not to post the details outside of the chem. section, but to recap:

1. Poppy straw-->opium: stupid easy
2. Opium-->morphine: easy
3. Morphine-->heroin: would be easy, except that the necessary chemicals are watched.

SWIM understands that heroin's claim to fame is that it gets across the blood-brain barrier in a hurry, giving a bigger "rush," but that it's actually the morphine that's pharmacologically active. If so, the would the experience of insuffalated/eaten/plugged M equate to that of H? And if smoked (SWIM has no desire to mess with needles), how much more intense is H?

And, as poppy straw is readily available and "economically viable" as a source of morphine, why do people risk copping on the street or fiddling with coedine pills? (I mean, as a general rule. I can understand where W/Ds might make one accept certain risks.)

[Laudaphun]

If you don't want to mess with needles then SWIM isn't sure that trying to create heroin would be worth it. Actually, even though heroin crosses the BBB so quickly, the rush is totally different than morphine. It's all a matter of personal preference. SWIM has limited experience insufflating H, most of the time he always IVed it. As it sits right now, if SWIM doesn't have a needle, then heroin is not at the top of his list preferred opiates.

What is SWIY doing right now? Refining morphine from poppy straw and insufflating/eating/plugging it as you stated. Well, Heroin is definitely not gonna be real thrilling swallowing it... Insufflation or plugging may work out ok, but this sounds like way more effort than it's worth.

SWIM's opinion is that if you are willing to put the effort into it and your yeild is at least 50% when making H from M... This is a really interesting concept however SWIM has not read many accounts of successful poppy straw to heroin ventures.

[Ellis D.]

From what SWIM knows all SWIY gotta do is mix hte morphine with a certain vinager percentage and the morphine diecetalizes(sp) creating diacetalmorphine. SWIM thinks it's that's simplee...

[Laudaphun]

Originally Posted by Ellis D.

From what SWIM knows all SWIY gotta do is mix hte morphine with a certain vinager percentage and the morphine diecetalizes(sp) creating diacetalmorphine. SWIM thinks it's that's simplee...

No, it is not that simple. First off vineagar has a very very low acetic acid content. SWIM is no longer a chem major however he's pretty sure that one would need acetic anhydride, and then it might be "that simple". However acetic anhydride is a watched substance as it is a precursor for heroin.

Don't go messing around with chemistry shit unless you know what you're doing. One of the most toxic substances in street heroin and the substance that is actually responsible for quite a few OD's is acetylated codeine when morphine is improperly refined from opium during the heroin production process. The link posted above I believe was for someone who was starting with straight up pharmaceutical grade morphine, whereas the swim who began this thread is talking about starting this process with poppy straw.

[Paracelsus]

There's a thread about 6-acetylmorphine posted by methologist if anyone's interested. Use the Search engine.

[dscb17]

hey, so i was thinking is there anyway to extract the acetic acid from vinegar? like freezing or boiling it off

[Oneiros]

Fractional distillation.

And check this out.

[dscb17]

swim is sorry please excuse his ignorance in the field of chemistry he is but a noob . he is trying to learn tho and if you could help in any way it would be greatly appreciated. so, how would swim preform a fractional distillation of vinegar to produce acetic acid?

[jon-q]

Originally Posted by dscb17

swim is sorry please excuse his ignorance in the field of chemistry he is but a noob . he is trying to learn tho and if you could help in any way it would be greatly appreciated. so, how would swim preform a fractional distillation of vinegar to produce acetic acid?

Acetic acid is quite easy to purchase,it is not on the watched list..
Common white vinegar contains around 5-8% and the stuff used in pickleing can contain up to 18%,more purer acid can be obtained from chemical suppliers........

Fractional distillation enables two substances with similar boiling points usually within 25c to be seperated by distillation;eg water=100c....acetic acid=118.1c..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/fractional_distillation

jon-q added 6 Minutes and 15 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by Oneiros

Fractional distillation.

And check this out.

Food for thought maybe,but wouldn't it be just as easy to produce acetic anhydride by ketene?