Pros of eating powder vs. making tea

[dopeversevisionary]

Hey kidz...new to this site (hey the world is sketchy)...anyways my friend is taking a break from IV gear (body says so) and will have his pods tomorrow....is the potency better from grinding up the dried pods and putting the powder in yogurt or grapefruit juice or should he go with his intended tea recipe?

[trptamene]

One could make cooked opium?

see here: The Improved Guide for "flake - cooked" opium.

[dopeversevisionary]

Cheers..SWIM will have to check out that recipe too...
On my original question could SWIM simply grind the dried pods and eat them, without any preparation (well other than gel tab or yogurt)...I'm talking straight out the box, ground into powder and eat...I can't seem to figure out if that would make sense...it works with fresh non-drieds...

[jayjohnson81]

AFAIK, SWIY can eat it or make a tea. (Or if patient, SWIY can evaporate tea into a different form of smokeable, ingestible. Eating is more cost effective (less waste) - drinking tea *might* come on a little quicker, if SWIY is in need of quick symptom relief. Capsules or mixing with yogurt avoids the `pungent` tea flavor.

Either way, congradulate SWIY on making the healthy decision to distance themself from the IV route.

[jaffacake]

As mentioned in another thread, you don't know where the poppies have been and what bacteria is on them. If a turkish goatherder has walked over them in his sandals then you could be in trouble just eating them raw.

[keats]

And as mentioned in the other thread that's irrelivant. Wash the poppies off in hot water, sanitize them with alcohol, etc if you're really that worried, but honestly the chances of getting sick/poisoned from poppy pod material is very slim. And if one makes poppy tea correctly one wouldn't be using hot enough water to sterilize them that way in any case, making the steeping part no help in eliminating bacteria.

That being said I'd still recommend tea over capsules, it does indeed hit faster in SWIM's experience.

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down to earth and honest posts, great info and adds to the discussion. cheers.

[jaffacake]

Originally Posted by keats

And as mentioned in the other thread that's irrelivant. Wash the poppies off in hot water, sanitize them with alcohol, etc if you're really that worried, but honestly the chances of getting sick/poisoned from poppy pod material is very slim. And if one makes poppy tea correctly one wouldn't be using hot enough water to sterilize them that way in any case, making the steeping part no help in eliminating bacteria.

That being said I'd still recommend tea over capsules, it does indeed hit faster in SWIM's experience.

The poppies could have picked up absolutely anything on their way from Turkey to your house. The guy who handled them might have just been for a shit and not washed his hands.

But it's your health - if you want to eat straight dried poppy when you have no idea where it's been handled that's up to you. On most forums it's recomended you use heat to sterilise the poppies.

[jayjohnson81]

Jaffa, dude, please just stop spreading nonsense.

[baron samedi]

SWIM believes that the standard procedure would be to wipe all of the pods individually, just to play it safe on the dirt/germs/bacteria front.
Having said that he has consumed large quantities without this procedure and lived to tell the tale.
It is raw plant material, though, so probably makes sense to take at least some precautions.

[dequilo]

"if you want to eat straight dried poppy when you have no idea where it's been handled that's up to you."

now that is spot on

all the best and be well

Dequilo

[samuraigecko]

One could not use an effective range of "heat" to sterilize poppies because as is mentioned MANY times over in many threads, opiate alkaloids are destroyed at 80c and temperatures WELL above this are needed for sterilization with water. That said however, there are some effective routes one might take to combat this. Using standard alcohol wipes (if one really thought the need to) one could QUICKLY wipe over the pod and dry with a clean cloth almost immediately, this should not be enough exposure to alcohol to loose any of the "goodness" but should be enough to sterilize the pod to a point if one was uncertain of the origins of the pod.
One would also recommend as others have done to take a look at a few more of the posts for certain recipes. Though some of these recipes may not be right for SWIYs own particular needs or tastes one would be enlightened by the information they may find and come out with a technique which is right for SWIY. Tea will come on quicker than powder since water is more readily absorbed by the stomach lining than powder as the powder would need to digest for longer. One could also try to make cooked opium for smoking or eating if one were so inclined. Eating takes longer to come on but the effects last longer. Smoking is almost immediate and very intense but the effects do not last as long as drinking tea or eating cooked O. The whole thing is really up to personal preference and what works best for SWIY. When SWIM was coming off IV he found that smoking was more effective because he felt the need for that more immediate hit, but that was SWIMs own personal preference. All the best of luck is wished for SWIY, kicking the IV habit is a hard thing and should always be commended.

Hope this has in some way helped. Cheers.

[jaffacake]

opiate alkaloids are destroyed at 80c and temperatures WELL above this are needed for sterilization with water.

It's been said many times but it isn't actually true. Espresso uses temperatures way over 80C and is widely renowned as by far the most efficient way of producing powerful brews. Jim Hogshire himself recomended a brief boil.

[Dr. Mario]

dude how the fuck do you know so much about poppies?

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by Dr. Mario

dude how the fuck do you know so much about poppies?

LOL. Research and 20 years of experience. Some of it even working for a legal opium farm.

Peace

[Aristokratom]

Originally Posted by Dr. Mario

dude how the fuck do you know so much about poppies?

LoL Samurai does seem to be a poppy god! Keep it comin' boss!

[samuraigecko]

Actually it is a chemical fact.
Sorry,
No cigar. . .

[jaffacake]

Originally Posted by samuraigecko

Actually it is a chemical fact.
Sorry,
No cigar. . .

Have you read any of the threads on espresso at another famous poppies discussion board? If you don't believe me, read a few of those 15 page threads where everyone says espresso is the best way. They can't all be lying - perhaps you've got your "chemical facts" a little wrong.

[gargravarr]

In swims experience, eating the powder gives him an intense morphine high while the tea seems more of a sleepy codeine feeling. Swim thought it was his tea, but he tried many others and got the same effect. Maybe it's his body chemistry. Swim much prefers eating the powder and washing it down with juice.

[samuraigecko]

Originally Posted by gargravarr

In swims experience, eating the powder gives him an intense morphine high while the tea seems more of a sleepy codeine feeling. Swim thought it was his tea, but he tried many others and got the same effect. Maybe it's his body chemistry. Swim much prefers eating the powder and washing it down with juice.

Perhaps it is SWIY's metabolism in general? just an idea, one is sure that everything has a different reaction for each individual. almost all opiates are metabolized into morphine by the body anyway but One guesses that it is the transition of the effect which gives the overall effect of what is effecting SWIY. heh.

There is no question however that morphine is water soluble and is in the tea. SWIM seems to say that neither opiate alkaloid is any more water soluble than the other.

Perhaps the type of poppy that SWIY has available has a higher codeine content than Morphine content? (rare in a P. Somniferum species but not unheard of as SWIY will see below)

C.S.I.R.O, in close development with Tasmanian Alkaloids came out with a mostly Thebaine producing species of the "Tasmanian Purple" strain. Their reason for this is that both Oxy and Hydro codones are easily synthesized from Thebaine and the now preferred new "designer opiate" (semi-synthetic) for use in western hospitals.

A lot of Pharm companies world wide have been developing strains which are more suited to their needs. SWIM knows that there has been a breeding program going on in Turkey for quite some time to make a higher codeine content in their Papaver Somniferum strain. This is because Morphine is easily synthesized from codeine (in an expensive lab but rather inexpensive process). The British Levant company buys most of this for hospital grade opiate production. This breeding program is funded by such Pharm companies in an effort to stop illegal Morphine production and make the Opium crappy also. (Codeine is ok as all SWIY's know but Morphine is the "drug of choice" so to speak)

Basically Pharm companies (which are ultimatly petro-chemical companies) are changing the strains making it harder for SWIMs and SWIYs to "do their own for free"

Hope this has in some way helped. Cheers.

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Awesome! informative,and intellegent!

[samuraigecko]

nope, a standardized chemical fact which is used extensively in the legal opiate producing industry is a standard chemical fact.

To elaborate, SWIM has used many methods and researched for over 20 years INCLUDING going to where it is done and learning it.

SWIM has used the espresso method and found it EXTREMELY lacking as compared to other methods. People can continue to use that method if they so wish and if it works for their particular tastes then One wishes them all the best.


SWIM will continue to use methods which are far more potent and continue to ask one to post such information for others research purposes. SWIM extensively researches every aspect of what he is doing and when he sees something old and out dated and has a more effective method he will say so (for the benefit of others). When he knows (and has posted the research before) a certain chemical fact which will help others, he will ask one to post it.

Hope this has been of some help

[Dude101]

Samurai, hypothetically speaking, from your experience is it worth it to down the powder with yogurt rather than to make tea?

[Spoden327]

Originally Posted by Dude101

Samurai, hypothetically speaking, from your experience is it worth it to down the powder with yogurt rather than to make tea?

I, too, would like to know this. Does making tea provide any benefit over just eating the pod powder in water, yogurt or such? Or is it just taste preference?

It would be much less of a hassle just to take the dried pods, grind the whole thing up (stem, seeds, and all... why waste?) and throw it in a liquid or semi-liquid and ingest. Much less work than making tea... unless there's something in the tea process that makes it more potent that I'm missing.

[CrookedEye]

SWIM has tried pods in tea, coffee (SWIM's favorite for masking bitterness of the pods), ground up in GFJ, and just eaten by chewing thoroughly. The GFJ with ground up pods, ingested, gave the most potent, and longest acting effects, but sometimes gave some mild stomach discomfort and added to the constipation effect. Just eating them, also increased duration, but didn't seem any more potent, and caused the most stomach distress (although, SWIM had been using K for a few days, which may have also contributed to the stomach distress). The tea/coffee, does fully come on a bit quicker, but does not seem to last as long, or be as strong, as the GFJ/pod smoothie. However, the coffee (especially) or tea tastes way better, and is much easier to drink, according to SWIM.

[Dude101]

Dude would like to share his experience with ingesting pod powder. This method by far was the best high SWIM has ever gotten.

1. Ground up about 8 pods or so (30 mgs pod powder)
2. Mixed about 10-15 grams into 2 cups of orange juice+couple squirts of lemon and shook vigorously. (OJ covers up dirty taste of pods well)
3. SWIM got it down with some effort but none the less it tasted better than tea in Swim's opinion, just the texture is a bit nasty.
4. Two hours later SWIM made an identical dose.

In conclusion SWIM was feeling the effects in about 30 minutes and peaked for about 5 hours and still feeling it after 12 hours.