SWIM has som 10/500 and he would like to get the most bang for his buck. SWIM heard that if SWIM snorts the crushed pills that SWIM will need less to produce the same effect. Can you shed some light on this subject for SWIM? Thanks.
the 500 in the 10/500 is acetomenophen (sp?), that is to say it is tylenol.
The active ingredients are vicoden 10mg and acetomenophne 500mg...so of the active ingredients the "good stuff" is only 1/50 or 2% of it...therefore...even if you had only actives 98% of what swiy snorts is not good or gonna do anything....plus there is the binders so swiy could put that closer to 0.5 or 1.0%....not very much at all
These are not meant for snorting, if swiy wants to do this they should extract the goods.
Anyways...swim says crush them...but parachute it instead of insufflating it...if swiy has no tolerance to opiates, this should get them going nicely...
do it on an empty stomach too...along with a crushed pill this should make the come up fast and make swiy feel really euphoric (if they have no tolerance)
Never snort hydrocodone because it is always mixed with something that will clog up your nose. If you are lucky you might be able to get Vicprofen™ which is 7.5 mg hydrocodone and 200 mg of ibuprofen. The best part is the pill is so much smaller.... And you don't have to worry about screwing up your liver.
Swallowing them gives you an onset of about 10 to 20 minutes. If I remember correctly, the peak is about 1-1/2 to 2 hours after that.
people say that snorting gives more of a rush, swim doesnt buy it, people who snort em prolly know little about opiates, hydrocodone in pill form is always in formation with APAP or Ibuprofen, and i think even aspirin sometimes, and they always make up the bulk of the pill, vicodin/lortab/norco work just fine orally their is no need to snort them.
Never snort hydrocodone because it is always mixed with something that will clog up your nose. If you are lucky you might be able to get Vicprofen™ which is 7.5 mg hydrocodone and 200 mg of ibuprofen. The best part is the pill is so much smaller.... And you don't have to worry about screwing up your liver.
Ibuprofen can be just as toxic as acetomenophen, you just don't hear about it as much because acetomenophen is the most common NSAID used to dilute opiats in prescriptinos.
Anything can be lethal at the right dose...a cup of water isn't lethal but if you drank a gallon or two you would definately have some health problems...
and then there is drowning.
even too much oxygen can be bad for you...
When things are called "non-toxic" this is usually in reference to the active dose (if it is a drug) or the amount and concentration one is usually exposed to if it is some other type of compound.
I will agree with you that I believe ibuprofen is "less toxic" than acetomenophen.
Toxicological Information
Ibuprofen: Oral rat LD50: 636 mg/kg; investigated as a mutagen, reproductive effector.
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Ibuprofen (15687-27-1) No No None http://bulkpharm.mallinckrodt.com/_a...msds/IBUPR.htm
Acetaminophen: Oral rat LD50: 2404 mg/kg; investigated as a mutagen, tumorigen, reproductive effector.
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Acetaminophen (103-90-2) No No 3
Polyvinyl Pyrrolidone (9003-39-8) No No 3
Well did a quick search and the numbers agree...acetomenophen (weight for weight) is more toxic than ibuprofen so you are along the correct thought process here, but swim still thinks a CWE is the way to go...then if one really wants to snort it they could simply wait for the water to evaporate?
I guess the point was from a prescribed maximum dose of either Vicoden of Vicoprofen you can essentially take more Vicoprofen (swallowed) then Vicoden.
I am not convinced that snorting is a good way to absorb hydrocodone, anyway.
I guess the point was from a prescribed maximum dose of either Vicoden of Vicoprofen you can essentially take more Vicoprofen (swallowed) then Vicoden.
I am not convinced that snorting is a good way to absorb hydrocodone, anyway.
well swim knows oxycodone kicks ass intranasally...swim would guess if it was extracted or in a drug alone form like oxy contin....
Snorting hydrocodone is a waste. Even if you do the CWE and let the water evaporate, it is no good. Hydrocodone is not absorbed well through the nose. The only effective way is to eat it.
And even oxycontin should be CWE to get the binders and time release stuff out. Time consuming, yes. But it is easier on the nose.
Hydrocodone is absorbed just as well orally as nasally, IIRC even better orally than nasally, and like mentioned hydrocodone tablets almost always contain paracetamol or ibuprofen as well, so there's no point in snorting them, unless one wants to take the trouble of extraction.
First of all, snorting any pill cut ibuprofen or advil or anything else other than tylenol will burn the hell outta your nose. It sucks. So if you are going to snort it stick to tylenol based stuff.... and in my opinion snorting it does bring the effects much quicker but they don't last nearly as long as if you were to swallow it. And i know some people who snort pills simply because it gives them something to do. Its almost fun for em. When they're bored they can use up an hour or two. But just swallowing the pills is much more convient and easier to do.
So basically if you're looking for a high that is brought on more rapdily but doesn't last as long and is a little more time consuming to produce, go with crushing em up and snorting em. Otherwise id say just down them. Especially if you're going on a date or something ) makes it fun. Until you have out of control mood swings. HAVE FUN
Even though swim has cwe'd & dried/washed hydrocodone containing pills in order to obtain a product fit to insulfate, his final consensus is that the best euphoria is produced via the standard oral roa.
Just swims opinion...feels the same about oxycodone - even though he lovessnorting them.
A little off topic but its truly sad that USA still doesn't offer a pure hydrocodone form yet anywhere. Then snorting would indeed be an option to get it going faster....SWIM is lazy so decided to dump hydro for oxycodone (HCL, IR form, not contin) a long time ago...
Can't understand why some USA pharma company can't make one without it always being attached to a liver-eating NSAID...oh well
Or because snorting typically gets more of said chemical into the blood without it having to go through your digestive system. It's not stupid at all. And the onset takes just a minute or two, the rush is also more intense in SWIM's experience. Plus, snorting is fun.
SWIM isn't saying this about snorting hydrocodone as he's never found any hydrocodone pill that doesn't have acetaminophen or ibuprofen in it, but for oxycodone, morphine, hydromorphone, etc, snorting has definitely been more effective.
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im assumng if tesyfdan is considering snorting vicoden he may not know what CWE is. CWE is cold water extraction and i believe there is a thread for that on this site. if not someone should be willing to explain if it is asked by tesy
Ok, hydrocodone is a combination of "the good stuff" and acetaminophen (which is not an NSAID like asprin and ibuprofen). with that said, swim agrees from swims experiance it is not worth it to snort- plus it hurts like a bitch.
Snorting hydrocodone is a waste. Even if you do the CWE and let the water evaporate, it is no good. Hydrocodone is not absorbed well through the nose. The only effective way is to eat it.
And even oxycontin should be CWE to get the binders and time release stuff out. Time consuming, yes. But it is easier on the nose.
Any opiate available can be absorbed through the nose. Even darvocet but SWIM should never try that.
Swim has snorted hydrocodone and it hit him almost instantly, but swim reports the drainage/gagging/burning of eyes and nose is way too harsh. Swiy shouldn't snort anything with acetaminophen in it either way.
SWIM knows it's tempting to people with low tolerance, but it will only make SWIY's buzz last about an hour tops. SWIY should parachute it for best results
Definitely do not snort any pill that is filled with acetaminophen. Not only will it fuck your nose up due to the amount of powder one will actually have to snort, but the bioavailabilty of hydrocodone when swallowed is pretty high.
Swim thinks its HILARIOUS when he meets people that talk about snorting Vicodins. Really guys? C'mon. I guess they just don't know much about opiates...which is probably a good thing.
Can't understand why some USA pharma company can't make one without it always being attached to a liver-eating NSAID...oh well
In the USA, hydrocodone must be 'packaged' together with another compound (typically APAP, Aspirin, or Ibuprofen) in order to preserve it as a schedule III substance. Hydrocodone alone is a schedule II which puts it in a category that draws more scrutiny from the DEA and thus prohibits Doctors from prescibing as readily as they do vicodin or lortab. Schedule III drugs are generally prescribed with impunity due to the fact that Doctors are not required to furnish records of said prescriptions to the DEA.
Any opiate available can be absorbed through the nose. Even darvocet but SWIM should never try that.
Swim has snorted hydrocodone and it hit him almost instantly, but swim reports the drainage/gagging/burning of eyes and nose is way too harsh. Swiy shouldn't snort anything with acetaminophen in it either way.
SWIM knows it's tempting to people with low tolerance, but it will only make SWIY's buzz last about an hour tops. SWIY should parachute it for best results
I agree! When I was younger I use to snort everything I could get my hands on, but when I found out about parachuting and tried it I recognized that it really does work 100% better. And is a lot less painful.
Your best bet is to perform a CWE, but if you must ingest the APAP, parachuting them is the next best thing. I'd also recommend some form of potentiation.
SWIM used to snort these pills all the time, to the point where SWIM was addicted, SWIM never really had a burning sensation after snorting 10/325's but the high definatly kicked in A LOT faster than when ingested. Reccomended snorting, those, but as far as the 5/500's SWIM wouldn't waste his time putting those up his nose.
Do not ever eat more than 2 grams paracetemol aka tylenol aka acetaminophen.
Cold water extraction and eat the liquid.
OR
plug the liquid. but thats just me.
could one simply crush Acetaminophen/Oxycodone by itself, i'm just talking 2 5/325 add 25 - 40 units of warm water suck it up a syringe (no needle obv) and plug? i have roomates who no not of my fun stuff so id have to wait a while for cwe. the idea was do 2 that way then 2 more after cwe hopefully at the peak. this would be for someone who has sum tolerance.
thanks!!
"when using the same syringe to plug and snort, ALWAYS SNORT FIRST!!!! lol"
) makes it fun. Until you have out of control mood swings. HAVE FUN
