Opinions - We lost the war on drugs

[hoodabudda]

swim is pissdrunk rite now and usually swim has a STRONG personalty and sometimes that gets in the way and he can be in denial a bout stuff and swim was just on normal .com and hes been readin the same kind of articles for the past 2 years. wev made no progress in the war and swim sees wh y. all the snitches in school(you know whim talkin about) are the ones who become politiacns and when they get older they make the laws. stoners are goin about this whole thing wrong. we shouldnt be figting the laws we should be makin the laws. if we hadmore people in congess we wouldnt be in this position. were always on the defense from what they say. we need to be ahed of the game....but most potheads dont have the motivation to get up there and work the system to get in high up positionss. we need to take offense not the defense.....swim will probably regert writing this in the morning

[beentheredonethatagain]

[quote] If we had more people in congress we wouldn't be in this situation [quote]

Are you sure? bigger government? I think you should not post n drink!!

[purplehaze]

Actually i kinda agree with him on a point, alot of potheads get lost from society, not that they dont have the motivation to be in congress but alot of potheads just dont think that there the type of people for congress or higher position and paying jobs because of the media and the way society supposedly looks down on potheads.

All stoners are not created equal, pot doesnt hold people back, but i think people can hold people back by saying certain things about them. If your told your a black duck your whole life and everyone agrees eventually youll think your a black duck, thats all im saying. Alot of times stopping smoking pot for a week or two can subdue those feelings.

Plus drug test, it disgust me to see a drug test going back further for pot than hard drugs. Personally i dont think there should be a such thing as a drug test, as long as someone is not high while performing there job it seems a little commy to make sure there not doing it in there past time, but then again most people worry about what people think about them, and in the end its all about money anyway.

Just to say the people in congress arent smokin pot doesnt say they arent doing something else and little more hush, and im sure every human being has a skeleton or two in there closet.

Reputation Comments on this post:

good comments

[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by purplehaze

Actually i kinda agree with him on a point, alot of potheads get lost from society, not that they dont have the motivation to be in congress but alot of potheads just dont think that there the type of people for congress or higher position and paying jobs because of the media and the way society supposedly looks down on potheads.

All stoners are not created equal, pot doesnt hold people back, but i think people can hold people back by saying certain things about them. If your told your a black duck your whole life and everyone agrees eventually youll think your a black duck, thats all im saying. Alot of times stopping smoking pot for a week or two can subdue those feelings.

Plus drug test, it disgust me to see a drug test going back further for pot than hard drugs. Personally i dont think there should be a such thing as a drug test, as long as someone is not high while performing there job it seems a little commy to make sure there not doing it in there past time, but then again most people worry about what people think about them, and in the end its all about money anyway.

Just to say the people in congress arent smokin pot doesnt say they arent doing something else and little more hush, and im sure every human being has a skeleton or two in there closet.

PurpleHaze, I have to completely agree with you on the drug testing or the abuse of drug testing. I feel if a stoner is willing to apply for and gain employment and then its time to do the piss test or what ever kind they use, well then this person may never go to work , if they wont hire a toker than who will support these individuals? I hope they dont put it on me.

[stoneinfocus]

Originally Posted by hoodabudda

swim is pissdrunk rite now and usually swim has a STRONG personalty and sometimes that gets in the way and he can be in denial a bout stuff and swim was just on normal .com and hes been readin the same kind of articles for the past 2 years. wev made no progress in the war and swim sees wh y. all the snitches in school(you know whim talkin about) are the ones who become politiacns and when they get older they make the laws. stoners are goin about this whole thing wrong. we shouldnt be figting the laws we should be makin the laws. if we hadmore people in congess we wouldnt be in this position. were always on the defense from what they say. we need to be ahed of the game....but most potheads dont have the motivation to get up there and work the system to get in high up positionss. we need to take offense not the defense.....swim will probably regert writing this in the morning

You´re totally right, the youth lost their rebell gene-code and I aggree with your opinion 100% although sometimes I might think th eyouger police officers etc. are much cooler than the law here is. If you look clear headed and didn´t drink, and they don´t find drugs, even if you´ve a record on it, then they let you go. Most cops here also say, that htey prefer techno and raves because there´s hardly any problems with eve, amphetamine and pot.

Unfortunately the youth now in their early twenties tend to be total fascist ingnorant dick-heads.

Seems like it´s hardly gonna change if we do not consent in real live in all groups in society at least for one generation.

[stoneinfocus]

Maybe the cannabis smokers should do more outside the legaliziation for weed.

Like the surge in opiates underprescriptions and people dying in pain on cancer lacking cannabis,marinol, and opiates?

Stigamtisation of amphetamine and party drugs and the medical use of MDMA et al. ?

When I was posting on normal. com my post about chronic pain, doping laws etc. were deleted and I was considered sick.

[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by stoneinfocus

Maybe the cannabis smokers should do more outside the legaliziation for weed.

Like the surge in opiates underprescriptions and people dying in pain on cancer lacking cannabis,marinol, and opiates?

Stigamtisation of amphetamine and party drugs and the medical use of MDMA et al. ?

When I was posting on normal. com my post about chronic pain, doping laws etc. were deleted and I was considered sick.

what were your posts saying that they were so poorly recieved?
I too feel that if all of the People who like or need amphetamines , would stand together instead of not making waves, things would start to improve.

[stoneinfocus]

Originally Posted by beentheredonethatagain

what were your posts saying that they were so poorly recieved?
I too feel that if all of the People who like or need amphetamines , would stand together instead of not making waves, things would start to improve.

was referringm to my bad accidentes, being raped and the loss of energy, the sides of pain, the hardship to get opiates ans how I was treated and still am treated for pointing out, that I really need this stuff to be alive!

MDMA really opened me up, opiates only will produce some tolerance and kill your sex life, intermitted use of amphetamines abolish these phenomena and I said, that there´s no choice, there´s no bitter medicine for the dying and I would rther live 5 years pain-free than being half-dead in pain, butu then again these drugs were really well tolerated and one could really live with it a full life-time and that all these hurdles are killing thousands of people a year, without a cause, but prohibiton, desoite the millions suffering, while them can be helped.

Most peolpe seem to really enjoy me suffering, for calling for free drugs, but they will be sufferig, as I do, if things don´t change.

I see the youth and only few are taking drugs, to expand their minds and have a good time, because it might be unhealthy.. unhealthy! and they smoke and drink *lol* what a joke^^

I think all my sum aries on this subject just blew theri mind and they just didn´t belive although my reports are trustworthy, so the yrelized the truth and blocked it with delting threads, swapping to small-talk with a simple: this is sick.

I´m plannig on printing a t-shirt with a print on reading: Relegalize Opiates
Amphetamine, Cocaine (´cause Cannabis already is widly used )anf on the back the Scheduled Drugs List *lol*

Reputation Comments on this post:

sorry for your struggles , I too sufer daily pain , less than yours I'm sure though

[KBLSD]

honestly i dont give a fuck about this shit anymore the little man has no power in this fucking disgrace of a democracy we have in the united states

[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by KBLSD

honestly i dont give a fuck about this shit anymore the little man has no power in this fucking disgrace of a democracy we have in the united states

I too am put off by the Big Government protecting us from ourselves, like they even have a clue. Our only hope is to elect to office like minded politicians, if there are any. Ron Paul maybe?

I think we have made a huge jump in the right direction, with the medical marijuana states. I was only dreaming of the day when one could buy pot in a store, but low and behold. Not only is it pot but its like the designer pot that only seen in HighTimes and in coffee shops in the Netherlands.

Please stay strong and know that we are going to have victory !!!

Peace and Love to all BTDTA

[FuBai]

What forms of political activism have you tried? I can seem to get through to people, I've just volunteered for Transform (UK drug reform group) and I debate the topic when ever I can. Of course 1 man will have great difficulty creating mass reform - it's possible, but not probable. In Britain we are seeing a shift in the way drugs are viewed in social situations - they have become more acceptable, the governments continued whining that a zero tolerance policy will work are being ignored by-en-large - we now have a youth population (16-25) 45% of which have tried an illegal drug. Drugs are becoming increasingly normalised in the media - programmes like Skins amongst others make drugs seem more normal and less sensational. We are becoming desensitised to it and increasingly there are murmurs in the press about drug reform being a good thing - and right now we have a backlash against gangs and gang warfare - what better time to capitalise on it! "It's time we took a hard stance on gangs and gang crime - it's time we stripped them of their money, their assets and their guns; time we made a bold new move that will be effective in stripping away their power on our streets, the streets of Britain! Well we have that bold move, we have a way to take back their money. Too long we have allowed drugs to run unchecked in the hands of criminals and terrorists, too long we have watch the social scum floating to the top from drug profits, too long have we allowed them to make it a trade in blood; well, it's time for that change now, it's time we took drugs out of their hands and, ladies and gentlemen, the only successful way of doing that is to put them in ours. It sounds strange to say that drug regulation and control by the government is the answer to our gang problems, but let me tell you this: the croxteth crew, the strand gang - the conflict that killed an 11 year old boy, rhys-jones, all paid for by drugs. It is drug money that gives them guns, it is drug money that pays for their campaigns of fear against the community. There is no way we can allow this to persist; we must take a strong stance against them - so every time you hear a politician arguing for a war on drugs, remember, it's a war on our communities, our children and our safety." etcetera - perhaps a little more firebrand than I would like to say in public, I would probably tone it down for a British audience - however for an American one (with details changed of course) that sort of thing does seem to work.

[dr ACE]

you ever heard of sentences FuBia?LOL.very good point you made there. The only solution to the gang warfare and drug problem is to legalize all drugs.

the main problem with that is there are too many people in positions of authority who are profiting sustaining there jobs,form the system the way it is now, i.e.;- politicians,drug companies the whole thing boils down to synthetic mass produced medications painkillers vrs natural home-grown weed,poppies

but there is always hope, things are changing slowly.its about trying to re-educating and change attitudes towards 'illegal drugs'.alcohol and fags are much worse than cannabis has or ever will be (FACT),so the laws should reflect this but they dont right now. So the system must be corrupt

[FuBai]

Originally Posted by dr ACE

you ever heard of sentences FuBia?LOL.

I'm assuming you mean paragraphs - sorry, when I see such a defeatist attitude I get slightly annoyed and punctuation goes out the window. Being defeatist will in no way aid the cause - you have to keep on fighting and fight in a way that's efficacious. Try one way, if it doesn't work try another - we will get through, there is no doubt about that in my mind. In a hundred years time we will look back on drug prohibition in the same way we look back on slavery - with disgust and regret.

[keats]

Ron paul, ron paul, ron paul! If only he had a chance, I think more people (not just drug users) agree with his stances than they know, he just lacks the press coverage.

[Nature Boy]

Marijuana. SWIM likes marijuana. But SWIM worries about marijuana. He worries about what people think of marijuana smokers. He worries about getting caught with marijuana. But mostly SWIM worries about getting more marijuana. This is probably the zeitgeist of marijuana smokers worldwide.

I guess the prohibitionist system in place inadvertently backs itself up. Or maybe it's deliberate. Who knows?

[beentheredonethatagain]

stoneinfocus, you have a good attitude , you seem well grounded even with all your dealings with medical issues. I would like to buy a T shirt when and if you make them for sale. That is the best idea for one I have ever heard of!
I am glad that Drugs-Forum is ran so much different then all of the other forums on line, the net sure has the looniest of the loons and they all seem to migrate to open forums.
Stay cool my friend and always believe in yourself. Peace and Love BTDTA

[Purest]

One point to make about wearing shirts like that. You instantly become a target if you wear something like that. Meaning that whenever police see it, they will keep an eye on you, its always better to go unnoticed then walk around with an article of clothing that will make you stand out as a possible user of drugs, which of course you aren't.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Yes, spot on. Either protest properly or don't bother.

[FuBai]

Purest is right - either protest in a meaningful and effective way or don't bother at all - all you are doing is flagging yourself up to the police without eliciting much chance of reform.

[stoneinfocus]

I was planing wearing it at parties, like gay-lesbian parties and raves only, or in "foreign" cities.

All other use would be a kamikaze-flight, but then again, do we need martyres? ^^

[KBLSD]

i want to vote ron paul but i dont think he has a chance so we shouldnt waste are votes on him instead we should vote for one of the democrats thats the best we can do for the countries leadership right now

[beentheredonethatagain]

I like the shirt for what it says, not for what it could do, neither positive nor negative. I would wear it at a suitable affair. Never would wear while I was dreaming of any activity that would draw heat . Nor would I think for a second that it would help a cause to victor. It is meant to be a conversation piece.----------BTDTA

[dr ACE]

any form of protest that will help to change this sad situation is a plus in swims book be it t-shirts,festivals or violent revolutions,this shits gone on for too long man