Drug info - Can nightshades effect from touch only ?

[kakakaka]

Swim was out a walk last weekend in the countryside (somewhere in Scotland) and noticed a large white trumpet shaped flower. Swim knew roughly what Angels Trumpet looked like and wasnt sure if it was one or not but picked it and played about with it a bit (ripping leaves and rolling them up ect ). He then went into some local woodland and found small purple flowers growing that again had the same trumpet shape as he knew Datura had and again picked some to have a closer look.

Now swim isnt sure but thinks Angels Trumpet doesnt grow naturally in Scotland, but some form of nightshade prob does.

Back to the story tho. About 2 hours later swim was having a conversation with his girlfriend (they had been arguing earlier) and all of a sudden swim couldnt remember a thing. He didnt even know what his girfriend was talking about or what they were arguing about. This state of mind stayed for a couple hours before going away. Swim was delerious not knowing what he was really doing, confused and forgetfull. Swims mum even asked if he was stoned as he was acting weirdly.

Now like swim said, hes not sure if they plants he picked were nightshades but he cannot explain why his memory would just wipe and he was feeling confused and lost a couple of hours.

Swim was wondering if this could have been possible datura symptoms from absorbing the active chemicals threw the skin ??

It sounds like too low a dosage tho but swim thought it would be better to ask

thanks

[fnord]

feeling lost and confused is normal in todays world...

according to a book i have(but dont have access to at the moment)i believe it either said people who collect datura type plants may have puffy eyelids or weird dreams. its one of those two.im confused becuase theres also another post here about this same thing and one of those symptoms is from the book and the other from a post.i think the post was made by rxbandit or perceptionaddict maybe?

needless to say if one suffers symptoms from just picking a plant it would be wise to assume that they would have a very low tolerance and should dose very low to start with.esp with a teacher as fun as datura!!

[kakakaka]

Thanks for the quick reply Swim wasnt planning on taking any just yet but thanks for the advice. Swim has been reading alot on datura and wants to try it one day but will start on a very low dosage, even just a few seeds. Untill then more reading up on it

[Perception Addict]

Right on Fnord, that thread was on weird nightmares after inhaling the scent of datura flowers and briefly handling the flowers and seedpods. It wasn't conclusive, but i assume this means it was your book that referenced puffy eyelids after handling the plant. (sidenote, drugs forum was present in my dream, what does that say about my internet addiction?)

Originally Posted by kakakaka

Swim has been reading alot on datura and wants to try it one day but will start on a very low dosage, even just a few seeds. Untill then more reading up on it

BE CAREFUL. This is not something to play around with, as i hope you are finding throughout your readings. Check out the nightshades forum, hopefully that will convince you how terrifying datura can be. If your total loss of memory was caused by datura, do you really want to take more?

[JDreaming]

If an active dose of the deliriant chemicals from datura got into your bloodstream and through to your brain through skin contact, your confusion probably would have lasted far longer than a couple of hours. It may have been psychosomatic.

[fnord]

Originally Posted by Perception Addict

Right on Fnord, that thread was on weird nightmares after inhaling the scent of datura flowers and briefly handling the flowers and seedpods. It wasn't conclusive, but i assume this means it was your book that referenced puffy eyelids after handling the plant. (sidenote, drugs forum was present in my dream, what does that say about my internet addiction?)

what does it say about my addiction that i rememb er just about every thread i read and who posted it,yet cant remember my own phone number?

yes im sure it was my book that warned of puffy eyelids from those who collect datura type plants.

[Perception Addict]

Haha, ok you got me beat there. What was this book?

[fnord]

no idea all my stuff is packed right now im in the middle of moving,some wild herb book.i can tell you in a month or so pm me in 2 days that way ill have a reminder waiting when i get back.

[kakakaka]

Originally Posted by JDreaming

If an active dose of the deliriant chemicals from datura got into your bloodstream and through to your brain through skin contact, your confusion probably would have lasted far longer than a couple of hours. It may have been psychosomatic.

Could be right there, after reading about psychosomatic disorder swiy could be on to something. The pent up anger, anxiety and depression could have flipped a switch somewhere. Having been to therepy for all 3 it could make more sence than absorbing small amounts of toxins through a single flower head that Swim thought looked like Datura.

Swims done some more research on diffrent types of nightshade and is going to see if he can identify the plant next time hes out a walk.

[Perception Addict]

Cool, take non self-incriminating pics and we'll try to help you out with that.

[kakakaka]

Swim went and took some pics when he went out mushroom hunting (still no luck ). Hes pretty sure its not angels trumpet, from the leaves it looks like a type of ivy, then again Swim isnt an expert.



Its looking more like swim had a psychosomatic episode tbh but just wants to be sure.

Thanks

[meep]

Could that be wild morning glory ?

[JDreaming]

I guess it could be a pearly gate flower but there's too many flowers like that to possibly I.D. it as such.

[kakakaka]

Swim can see a resemblance aswell but wild morning glory in Scotland seems just as odd as wild angels trumpet.

The camera was set wrong hence the blurry floweer and sharp background, was too sunny to tell properly when taking the pics, silly swim

[Nagognog2]

The leaves sure don't look like a Morning Glory. They look very much like a Datura - which grow world-wide.

Stories abound of people just smelling the lowers and having a reaction. Some people put a flower under their pillows at night to have "intersting" dreams. Be damned careful. Datura is, for most people, a very scary, delirious trip. Best advice: Steer clear and treat these with extreme respect. Being held in leather restraints in hospital for three days is not fun.

[genaro]

well, if you harvest a big brugmansia leave from a living plant and rub it thoroughly between your two hands for a few minutes you will get some light effect, a bit similar to smoking the leaf (weird feeling, slight confusion, a little drowsy but no hallucinogenic trip and no physical side effects besides slight dryness in the mouth).
Scopolamine is well absorbed through the skin, that's the reason why shaman and witches were often using solanaceae as ointments that was applied on the body
...basically, the plant material is extracted (cooked) in lard, adding some ashes to the mix to basify it, then the lard is spread on different part of the body. Note that ointment will give intense hallucinations and can be physically dangerous (overdose on ointment is quite possible if exessive quantity of plant was used to make it).

ps: my datura just bloomed last month, flowers are beautiful and smell fucking great (smells like roses)

[w_rabbit]

well from and old book of random facts iv heard that "witch's" used to rub belladonna on there brooms and rid around on them sky clad and from that the belladonna absorbed through there skin granting the trip of flying on a broom stick heanc why we always seeing witches flying broom sticks

[Jatelka]

Originally Posted by kakakaka

Swim went and took some pics when he went out mushroom hunting (still no luck ). Hes pretty sure its not angels trumpet, from the leaves it looks like a type of ivy, then again Swim isnt an expert.



Its looking more like swim had a psychosomatic episode tbh but just wants to be sure.

Thanks

Rather late on the id front, but that's Bindweed (Calystegia sepium syn. Convolvulus sepium).

It's a pain in the arse pernicious weed, which is virtually impossible to get out of your garden (you have to remove every single bit of root).

[Jimmehboi]

Originally Posted by kakakaka

Swim went and took some pics when he went out mushroom hunting (still no luck ). Hes pretty sure its not angels trumpet, from the leaves it looks like a type of ivy, then again Swim isnt an expert.



Its looking more like swim had a psychosomatic episode tbh but just wants to be sure.

Thanks

These plants are called Bindweed, not psychoactive in any way shape or form. Don't eat them.

[Neosapien]

Yeah, that's morning glory of some type - if you eat enough of the green seeds to get an effect beyond projectile vomiting, to can experience sixteen or so hours in Hell.
The purple flowers, on the other hand, are probably a fellow solacaceous plant (like datura - "angel's trumpet" is generally considered to be brugamansia which is tropical) called bittersweet or woody nightshade.
Don't eat them either.

[Demonslayer]

I have several species of nightshades in my garden and have always picked them without protection, and I have never felt any effect. Even pricking onesself on the seed pod of jimsonweed will only cause minor swelling around the "wounds". Not even smearing plant juice from jimsonweed or belladonna on your skin will cause any mind altering effect. You may feel a slight numbness in the skin if you really try to smear it on in large amounts.

The only plant that has effected my after I've picked it, is water hemlock. It caused numbness and aching in my hand that persisted way into the next day. BTW, you don't want to mess with water hemlock, it's extremely poisonous (not in a good way).

[sunyata]

Originally Posted by Demonslayer

Not even smearing plant juice from jimsonweed or belladonna on your skin will cause any mind altering effect. You may feel a slight numbness in the skin if you really try to smear it on in large amounts.

Tropanes can be absorbed through the skin, scopolamine often comes in patches for instance, and in large amounts could be very dangerous.
And there is probably a vast difference in potency between plants grown here in Norway and those grown longer south.

Though there is probably little danger from handling a living plant Swim allways takes care to wash his hands after doing so, just as a precaution.