XTC Overdose

[webstarr_04]

Hey guys i was just wondering what an ecstasy overdose feels like can any one help???

[Tony Blair]

I'm all for harm reduction and all that, but is it actually possible to overdose on MDMA?

Yeah, you can probably permanently ruin some of your brain, and be depressed due to the fact that it will probably no longer produce serotonin properly... but....

[Micklemouse]

Being a stimulant it's certainly possible to od on E,
and it's not pleasant either, being similar to classic
Srotonin Syndrome. In high doses it puts a massive
strain on the heart and kidneys, and seriously messes
with temperature regulation and hydration levels. Bear
in mind that Ecstasy can be highly variable in
dose/effect from person to person, so one persons
optimum dose is anothers od, especially when tolerance
is taken into account.

From Narcanon
Warning Signs of Overdose

* Feeling hot or unwell
* Becoming confused, not able to talk properly
* Headache
* Vomiting
* Not Sweating
* Racing heart or pulse when resting
* Fainting or collapsing
* Loss of control over body movements
* Tremors
* Problems Urinating

An Ecstasy Overdose is Characterized By:

* rapid heartbeat
* high blood pressure
* faintness
* muscle cramping
* panic attacks
* loss of consciousness
* seizures
* hypothermia
* muscle breakdown
* stroke
* kidney and cardiovascular system failure
* permanent damage to sections of brain critical to
thought and memory
* death

Respect mdma, and keep topped up on your fluids and you
should be o.k.. Don't go overboard on the water front
though - its also possible to od on H2O...

From BBC news
Last Updated: Friday, 4 July, 2003, 11:31 GMT 12:31 UK

Actor Andrews in water overdose
Anthony Andrews in the BBC's Love in a Cold Climate,
2001
Andrews was taken to a Surrey hospital
Actor Anthony Andrews is recovering after becoming ill
by drinking too much water.

The Brideshead Revisited star needed hospital treatment
after drinking several litres - leading to a salt
imbalance.

Andrews, 55, is now resting and planning to return to
the stage next week for his role as Professor Higgins
in the West End musical My Fair Lady.

He has missed the production at the Theatre Royal Drury
Lane while being treated at a private clinic following
the incident on Saturday.


It seems to have been a combination of the spell of hot
weather, the fact he was drinking so much water and
perspiring as well as performing so often
Penny Wesson, agent

The condition, known as hyponatraemia, is caused by the
dilution of sodium in the body. It has similar symptoms
to dehydration, such as headaches, nausea and cramp.

Andrews' agent, Penny Wesson, said: "It does affect you
if you drink too much and perspire without replacing
the salt in your system.

"He's out of the clinic now and we expect him to be
back in the show in the next few days."

She added: "He's generally in very good health - you
would have to be to do eight performances a week.

"It seems to have been a combination of the spell of
hot weather, the fact he was drinking so much water and
perspiring as well as performing so often."


Me and a friend did this at school one lunch time, and
it's quite a trip, but not recommended... Quite a few
ecstasy related deaths have been due to water od, so
please be careful!

Reputation Comments on this post:

	NICE Post! Good info!
	Everyone who does mdma once in a while should know those things! hats off!
	awesome post. Very informative :)

[Alfa]

If anyone has had bad experiences or a overdose of xtc, please post here.

[whatwhybecause]

yea ive od-ed on mdma before and ended up in hospital on the edge of hyperthermia. also, 'cos my friends had been tryin to contain me and keep me safe they had flushed water down my throat at an alarming rate, thus my blood had started to clot and i was on the edge of death basically.


also i wasnt able to get a hard on for about three weeks and lost the want to have sex at all. for some people od-ing on mdma can cause impotence - be careful!


moderation and respect are the keys here - do not abuse the pills and do not think that overcompensating on h20 is gonna help ya out; careful sips generally about a bottle of water an hour and no more, no matter how hot you are.

[Gareth]

Well webstar, I strongly feel I overdosed on the stuff. I didn't end up in hospital (thought I'm quite sure I should have).



Very long story very short:

I threw up many times throughout the night (uncontrollably, I just
puked before I knew what was happening). My brain switched off. I
couldn't breath (Im told I looked like I was heaving for breath). My
eyes bulged, I stopped sweating. I couldnt drink anything or eat. I
lost all the ability to communicate properly. I resorted to talking to
friends that were next to me by text message. I couldn't stand up the
whole night (felt motion-sick). So I just sat there on the couch for a
loooong time. Then there were the weird hallucinations. I could see
people dancing next to me in the toilet cubicle. People were talking
about me everywhere (then again, they really might have been, I was a
wreck). People looked distorted. The bar looked like a multi-coloured
'something' (rediculously cool at the time, so cool I felt I could just
keep staring at it for hours). When I was texting the letters didn't
look right. All the 'A's looked like the top was missing. I turned my
phone on and off. I could have sworn that the letters were seriously
messed up, someone had played a joke on me. Now, whenever I smoke/took
E before, I never hallucinated like this. It really seemed real to me.
Anyway, that was all fun compared to later that week... and month...s.



The peak lasted for a good 8 hours. I felt a VERY gradual come-down
after maybe 6. I'm serious, I got home at 8/9am and I would've danced
to anything. Instead I watched some manson music vids (fucking
scary!!). 10/11 rolled round and I felt calmer but there was still a
huge buzzing sensation. I'm convinced that the 'buzz' didnt wear off
for another 10 hours, maybe till bed that night (you just know when you
can still feel it coursing through you). Here comes the bad stuff. My
senses were SCREWED for weeks. I couldnt taste, touch (I was tripping
out of touching things for a week, until I realised I looked really
retarder and promptly made it less obvious), smell etc. For at least 3
days afterward everything looked distorted, not quite real. I couldnt
hold conversations with people for a week (kept forgetting my train of
though). Memory was FUCKED. I was a wreck. I cried, yea, I thought I
would never return to normal. My fears were partially validated. It's
been close to 2 months now and much of that has subsided. The worst
problem I still face now is a 'spaced out' feeling. I feel jaded. My
emotion, motivation, joy, its all been dulled, if not taken away. I can
stare at an object or the well for a long time, just thinking about
nothing (mental blank). I dont know why.



This was from ONE (thats '1') pill. I'm almost 100% it was pure MDMA.
The person I got it from was trusted by my other friends. But I was
told it was a pretty big pill, and I'm a pretty small person, so, bad
combination. I think my previous pills (my only previous 2 times) were
just poor quality compared to this one.



Remember, your body reacts differently every time. One day, your
metabolism might be great, you have sufficient nutrients, a strong
immune system, plenty of food in your stomach and the right mindset.
The next may be a whole different story.

[Gareth]

I forgot to mention:



My sleep patterns were absolutely destroyed for at least a week. The
first night I DIDNT SLEEP. I just lay there, buzzing out at little
objects in my room. I wanted to get up and watch a movie, but I
couldnt. I didnt want to do anything. The depression hadnt hit yet but
when it did and I was lying in bed at night like this, I seriously
wanted to die. The depression hit slowly and over a long period. It hit
peak about 5-7 days later. Taking the 5-htp definitely helped, but it
also exacerbated my 'spaced out' feeling. I've been a walking zombie
for a month. It scared my and I'm sure it scared my friends. I returned
to normal sleep after about a month, but those first 2 weeks were
torture. When I did sleep I had insane nightmares. Stuff you have no
idea you can even imagine yourself. Luckily I don't reall remember
them, just remember they were scary as hell and profound. Let's just
say my REM cycle took a long time to return.

[cupdetat]

Overdoses can be really weird.
Swim's first and worst overdose kept him incapacitated for a week. Swim dosed 9 pills over a night, and probably could have killed himself if he had taken more. Don't ever underestimate pills, even if you think they are weak or duds.

Speedy effects lasted for the first 24 hours. Hours seemed to pass in minutes. Pounding heart beat, chills, andchest pains came first. The next day swim began to notice a horrible feeling of nausea. Actually, it wasn't just nausea, but also the worst heart burn you can imagine. Rapid heart beat was making swim's blood really thin too. Swim would literally black out if he got up too fast. Fainting only got worse over the next few days to the point where swim would pass out and vomit atleast once every time he crawled to the toilet. Throwing up was definately the strangest part of the whole incident. Swim remembers vomiting strange smelling very very acidic liquids. So acidic that he couldn't breath for a couple of seconds after. Also, its color would be either dark purple, bright green, or dark orange. I still can't find any explanation for this. Has anyone experienced this? Hallucinations also began on the second day and only went away after swim went to sleep four days after rolling. Swim was tripping harder than he has ever, if you can call it that. It was more of a delerium kind of experience, like benadryl, only much stronger. A very visual experience, but DEFINATELY not fun.
Respect mdma! I didn't, but now I do. This was by far swim's most irresponsible FUCK UP of his adult life, and he paid the price for being stupid by spending four days in hell.

[The 1 u 1t]

I took 48-50 pills in 6 months, My memory is destroyed and I am depressed 95% of the day, psychosis state of mind, I've been taking 5-HTP pills the past week which helps for about 30 minutes of actually feeling normal but then my psychosis comes back... I'm hoping that over time it will end. The nights were fun but not worth the after effects =/

[Nagognog2]

I hope you have consulted with a good neuro-psychiatrist on this matter. There have been many recent advances in the related fields of serotoninergic medicine. New drugs available, etc.

You have not gone into any details of how these pills were used, but 50 pills in 6 months is not that great an amount actally. Either one was allergic to such, or you may be dealing with something other than MDMA altogether. This is all the more reason to get yourself checked out. Good luck.

[The 1 u 1t]

I snorted and chewed most of them.
Thanks

[xpr´k]

Originally Posted by Alfa

If anyone has had bad experiences or a overdose of xtc, please post here.

Swim ones turned catatonic ones after 5 pills from which a similar one was labtested @ 112mg clean MDMA and railing lines of cocaine in between.
His brain just slowed down and he could hardly focus long enough to understand what people were saying and trying to say something himself was just impossible.
It was like the language section of his brain had shut down.
Its not that swim felt bad as such but the next day he did realize he was balancing the line for a bit there.

[xpr´k]

Originally Posted by The 1 u 1t

I snorted and chewed most of them.
Thanks

i'm guessing your also using canabis on a regular basis, cause i got a case of severe panic attacks after only 4 months of weekly MDMA usage and we hardly ever took more then 1 pill each time.
I had howevere been using canabis pretty heavely for 1.5 years and daily for the last 6 months of that period (6 joints a day on avg).
Imo it was the canabis that had brought me close to the edge and the MDMA that gave the final push.
I took me 2+ years to overcome it all and come to terms with the fact my mind wasnt stable(really fucked up my self confidence and changed my personality), when i did i moved on though and i've been feeling pretty good for years now even picking up some old habbits .
But in my opinion Canabis is evil and HIGHLY underestimated as a destructive drug especially by teenagers.

[krisko]

Swim took 2 pills withen about 30-40 minutes of each other. After a good hour of fun dancing and rolling. Swim started to fill very sick and went and sat on the couch next to his buddy. Swim was rolling very hard, and swims friend noticed swim was about to pass out and swim relized that he was to. Swim got up and tryed to drink a lil water cause swim was very hot. Swim then went outside on the deck and laid there in for about 10 minutes. Swim was so messed up thinking he was going to die because he could hardly think straight and was feeling the E so hard ,harder then ever before and felt brain dead. Swim threw up 3 about times in 1 minute. Thats when things changed swim was feeling so horrible from being sick that now he puked it made him fill like a million dollars. Swim still could not sweat and body temputure was very high so my friends threw swim in the shower with luke warm water. swim came out feeling very good and rolled very hard and was very happy just every 30 mintues swim would pee and have to drink water cause his body wouldn't hold it the only way to keep his body tempature down from over heating and feeling very sick. After swim threw up though it changed his mood so much he was so happy he wasn't sick anymore swim had the best time in his life and rolled harder then ever

[matti_2003]

It really depends on where you draw the line at an overdose on this subject. Some people may claim to have an overdose with what most people take on average and others may overdose every week. I would class an overdose as an occasion where you take way more than usual in one session and end up with very negative side affects as a result rather than taking X amount over several months.

The most pills that SWIM has taken in one session is around 12. He had quite negative affects but wouldn't class it as an overdose.

[raven3davis]

SWIM has heard a few stories of overdoses but all of these cases involved XTC that was heavliy adulterated with amphetamines. Taking too much ecstasy can make users delerious. SWIM once saw someone on 13 tabs who was talking to a group of friends who were not even there. This dose could have easily made an inexperienced user beligerant of violent. The average amount of MDMA needed to overdose would require several pills so as long as SWIM does not take a large number of pills, things should be fine.

Too bad many tabs have speed in them. SWIM heard of two people ending up in the hospital off of "XTC" and both people tested positive for MDMA and methamphetamine at the hospital. Just another reason MDMA should be illegal. Such cases would be much more rare if pills were not made by shady chemists.

[RealGanjaMan]

Originally Posted by Micklemouse

Being a stimulant it's certainly possible to od on E,
and it's not pleasant either, being similar to classic
Srotonin Syndrome. In high doses it puts a massive
strain on the heart and kidneys, and seriously messes
with temperature regulation and hydration levels. Bear
in mind that Ecstasy can be highly variable in
dose/effect from person to person, so one persons
optimum dose is anothers od, especially when tolerance
is taken into account.

From Narcanon
Warning Signs of Overdose

* Feeling hot or unwell
* Becoming confused, not able to talk properly
* Headache
* Vomiting
* Not Sweating
* Racing heart or pulse when resting
* Fainting or collapsing
* Loss of control over body movements
* Tremors
* Problems Urinating

An Ecstasy Overdose is Characterized By:

* rapid heartbeat
* high blood pressure
* faintness
* muscle cramping
* panic attacks
* loss of consciousness
* seizures
* hypothermia
* muscle breakdown
* stroke
* kidney and cardiovascular system failure
* permanent damage to sections of brain critical to
thought and memory
* death

Respect mdma, and keep topped up on your fluids and you
should be o.k.. Don't go overboard on the water front
though - its also possible to od on H2O...

From BBC news
Last Updated: Friday, 4 July, 2003, 11:31 GMT 12:31 UK

Actor Andrews in water overdose
Anthony Andrews in the BBC's Love in a Cold Climate,
2001
Andrews was taken to a Surrey hospital
Actor Anthony Andrews is recovering after becoming ill
by drinking too much water.

The Brideshead Revisited star needed hospital treatment
after drinking several litres - leading to a salt
imbalance.

Andrews, 55, is now resting and planning to return to
the stage next week for his role as Professor Higgins
in the West End musical My Fair Lady.

He has missed the production at the Theatre Royal Drury
Lane while being treated at a private clinic following
the incident on Saturday.


It seems to have been a combination of the spell of hot
weather, the fact he was drinking so much water and
perspiring as well as performing so often
Penny Wesson, agent

The condition, known as hyponatraemia, is caused by the
dilution of sodium in the body. It has similar symptoms
to dehydration, such as headaches, nausea and cramp.

Andrews' agent, Penny Wesson, said: "It does affect you
if you drink too much and perspire without replacing
the salt in your system.

"He's out of the clinic now and we expect him to be
back in the show in the next few days."

She added: "He's generally in very good health - you
would have to be to do eight performances a week.

"It seems to have been a combination of the spell of
hot weather, the fact he was drinking so much water and
perspiring as well as performing so often."


Me and a friend did this at school one lunch time, and
it's quite a trip, but not recommended... Quite a few
ecstasy related deaths have been due to water od, so
please be careful!

NICE post!
Definition of quality


Anyways...
I've never really heard much about MDMA overdoses... I imagine they are uncommon?


-RGM

[Alfa]

That depends upon your definition of an overdose. IMHO there are multiple levels of an overdose:

1. One can take to much, to a degree which causes one to be temporarely impaired for a few hours and then have fun again.
2. One can take to much, to a degree which causes one to have a rough time and then get back to normal.
3. One can take to much, to a degree which causes one to get serious side effects which impact both the time after intake and the week(s) there after.
4. One can take to much to a degree which causes acute and/or long term physical & psychological danger.

Level 1 is something most users are acquainted with. Users want to sit or lie down and tend to (Someone please give me the English word for this: blow breath out, filling their cheeks with air). Some even consider this to be a normal state of events. Many users tend to forget about this ever happening. The CNS overstimulation that occurs is absolutely something to avoid. If this happens, one should learn from it and make sure not to let it happen again.

Level 2 is something most users would remember. The hangover and depression thereafter tends to be a real bitch. One would have to be a real hard head not to learn from such experience IMO. SWIM has seen many such hard heads though.

Level 3 is truly alarming. After such experience one should stop all use for at least a couple of months. Visiting a physisian may be needed, depending on the problems which have arised. Note that this is not only a attack on physical health, but can also create psychological issues.

Level 4 calls for immediate medical help.

The relation between the dose and the level of overdose is closely related to the tolerance, weight, physical state, age of the person and the activities undertaken. Additional intake of other substances is a major factor as well.

I think it would be good to expand on these levels over time.

[enquirewithin]

Fatal overdoses seem to be possible:

A 53-year-old prisoner died of multiorgan failure after a suicidal overdose with 3,4-methylenedeoxymethamphetamine (MDMA, 'Ecstasy'). Twelve hours after ingestion of MDMA, the patient became severely hyperthermic (107.2 degrees F) with evidence of rhabdomyolysis. He subsequently developed acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), disseminated intravascular coagulopathy (DIC) and acute renal failure. At autopsy, plasma concentration of MDMA was 3.05 mg/L. This case shows that MDMA is still abused in our community and clinicians should know the symptoms of MDMA intoxication. In particular, MDMA should be considered when patients have symptoms or signs of increased sympathetic activity. The pathophysiology and treatment of MDMA-induced hyperthermia are discussed.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract

Another case mentions a combination of MDMA and insulin, so diabetics might need to be careful:

the second case was suicidal intoxication with combination of insulin and MDMA.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...=pubmed_docsum

[blue_eyes]

Originally Posted by xpr´k

It was like the language section of his brain had shut down.

SWIM had an experience about 1 year ago, when she had an E for the first time in a few years. She was told the pill was weak, but in fact, her well-seasoned friends had quite a tolerance!

The pill started taking effect about 45 minutes after ingestion. Within 10 minutes of the onset, SWIM couldn't understand people. They would say things to her but it sounded like they were talking in a different language, but worse. You see, their words sounded like jumbled up jibberish and the more she concentrated on understanding what they were saying, the more she realised she didn't have a hope in hell! Luckily, she had the "its all good" mindset, as you do on E, so she just shrugged it off and decided launguage wasn't so important when it came to communicating. After all, she was on E!!! lol

About an hour later, SWIM was able to talk and understand people again.

It's only happened that once to SWIM. It didn't even happen on her first roll. Just this 1 in particular. It was a damn fine pill, so SWIM tells me!

[enquirewithin]

^ MDMA has different effects on different people, but are you sure that was really E?

[xpr´k]

Last week SWIM felt highly agitated of 1 pill from a batch he had used 3 times before without any negative symptoms, he felt extremely hot and nervous.
His heart was pounding like nothing he's ever felt before. There was 0 loved up feeling or feeling good, when swim tried to walk it off it made things even worse, he actually believed at one point that if he couldnt manage to get his heartrate down he was cruising for some serious cardiac problems.
3 very uncomfortable hours later he started feeling slighty better as he started to come down. Swim went to bed and woke up the next day pretty sick with a mild fever.
Which is probably what went wrong, he was probably working up a fever when he dropped his pill. He wasnt feeling that good when he dropped but he thought a minor cold wouldnt spoil the fun...

[bman1]

When someone swim knows od.
They vomited violently the whole time
had seizures
saw people trying to hurt this person when no one was there
horrible head pain
100+ temp
This person also does not remember this experince

350mg mdma at once caused this person to od

[swimmyswimmer]

You're prob gonna have ot take alot. SWIM isn't that big of a guy and a few days ago swim triple dropped at 8:30 in the morning, then double dropped at 1:30 in the afternoon. Then at 1:00 and 2:00 one the 2 days following double dropepd again. SWIM lost like 8 pounds because SWIM only ate 2 small meals and a snack for all three dyas. SWIM just snorted 2 lines an hour ago too.

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	NOT a responsible example for other E users!
	Dick-sizing. Dangerous
	Opposite of smart.

[FrankenChrist]

Remember, kids. If someone's overheating, place ice packs in the groin, arm pits and neck.

Originally Posted by swimmyswimmer

You're prob gonna have ot take alot. SWIM isn't that big of a guy and a few days ago swim triple dropped at 8:30 in the morning, then double dropped at 1:30 in the afternoon. Then at 1:00 and 2:00 one the 2 days following double dropepd again. SWIM lost like 8 pounds because SWIM only ate 2 small meals and a snack for all three dyas. SWIM just snorted 2 lines an hour ago too.

Well whoop-di-fucking-doo

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good suggestion. And i like your comeback to swimmyswimmer's post!