schizophrenia

[seeingred]

Can someone who has schizophrenia use drugs? If so, what drugs could that person use?

[candy_kid]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...t=AbstractPlus would suggest that it might not be the best of ideas -- if you dont want to read the article, the conclusion is as quoted; "These data suggest that antagonism of NMDA-sensitive glutamatergic transmission in brain exacerbates symptoms of schizophrenia." or more simply speaking; ketamine and related drugs can induce a schizophrenic episode.

[seeingred]

Originally Posted by candy_kid

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...t=AbstractPlus would suggest that it might not be the best of ideas -- if you dont want to read the article, the conclusion is as quoted; "These data suggest that antagonism of NMDA-sensitive glutamatergic transmission in brain exacerbates symptoms of schizophrenia." or more simply speaking; ketamine and related drugs can induce a schizophrenic episode.

Swim has been interested recently in Ketamine because of the effects it has. Swim has always been sort of curious about NDE's and used to do hypnosis to induce states of awareness. Recently swim has been sort of at a low. Swim cannot seem to step out of the shell and wants escape this anxiety and tension. Painkillers seem to fight the tension and swim is going to try to get a prescription...which would be legal and would be for a good reason.
But swim is trying to be careful not to take anything that will permanently screw swim up. When swim had oral surgery swim realized that the lack of pain and other effects of the anesthetics let swim think freely without feeling stuck in zone. It was like a break from pressure. Swim is looking for something that will change swim just enough that swim can relax and think without being so brain-dead. The main problem is swim is still at home and has no access to anything other than prescriptions...swim is wondering if someone who has schizophrenia is less strong than people without it and would have less of a tolerance to be able to handle the harder drugs. Thanks for the article and response. Swim already knew this but it must have slipped the mind.

[razorwiredildo]

many people with schizophrenia are abnormally sensitive to dopamine, so they should stay away from meth and cocaine and the like. psychedelics are a bad idea too.
painkillers and downers are probably not too bad, but any schizophrenic needs to be extra careful.
weed

[hh339]

I actually know someone who is schizophrenic that can not live without small doses of methylphenidate. I have no idea if this is normal, but it works for him. Higher doses tend to make his condition worse though.

[stoneinfocus]

LSD and the like could be helpful, it´s more like the more psychotic you are the lest you will feel the LSD effects *lol* vice versa, no, more like *g* if an hyposensitive allergical person inhales diesel fumes the immune-reaction is not that strong, as it´s with a non-allergic person inhaling the fumes, showing greater immune-response to diesel fumes as an allergical reaction.

One could always test it out by beginnin with small amount of a drug, although low-dose LSD tend to be more of a bad trip tghan a high dose, because woth a high dose, there´s nothing but surrender top the trip.

This shemata works for stims and downers, though.

[Alicia]

lol.... well i suppose it depends on the people who manage you, and the individual reactions.. cough...

but then again it purely varies swia has done psilocybin with no problems but bare in mind it varies on set (mind set) and setting (the location of the experince). somethings thou like excessive cocaine use tend to trigger it with swia. She smokes the green like no tomorrow and has no adverse effects. I think people have different triggers with regards to psychoactives. anyone can get drug induced psychosis thou if excessive amounts of a drug is taken it disappears when the drug is completly out of the system . In some cases certain drugs can excerbate dormant mental illness but then you have got to ask if it did not happen then it would have happened at somepoint via a stressful occasion. purely varies..

[stoneinfocus]

Well a psychosis is usually recognized by a sane individuum as an abnormal state.
so was it with no stone in focus, that after he switched the amfetamine supply he had a day long paranoia, which subsided after that day, even though he continued the use of this stuff in the very same fashion and it never came back.

This being said, a drug induced psychosis, as long as recognised as an abnormal state, is no psychosis, per definition, it´s more a drug-induced phenomenome of numerous co-factors, that will ultimatively subside and so it does in all sane users, imho; -psychotics, whatever and whoever this may be, might get an allivation of their suffering by the use of these drugs, so was LSD -and still is to some, a popular mean to treat psychosis.

[Alicia]

Originally Posted by stoneinfocus

Well a psychosis is usually recognized by a sane individuum as an abnormal state.

Ummm do have any idea what psychosis is, its not a picnic its very real to the person who is having it. wow u can define sane, next i suppose your be able to say what normal is. lol

Originally Posted by stoneinfocus

This being said, a drug induced psychosis, as long as recognised as an abnormal state, is no psychosis, per definition,

Not everyone can manage it. and to say hey jus think of it as an abnormal state utter bs.

examples of things that can happen to someone suffering from psychosis.

delusions : example 1. that people who are close to u are planing to harm or poison you, (sounds silly, you try telling someone that its not real and then find u just feed into it more with trust issues.) there are different types.

example 2. delusions of being almighty and having special powers. sounds strange to anyone but to that person its real. the belief is very very real. or am i constantly being watched? i know there listening. even the birds are spies to an unknown organisation that is watching you...

Voices: that appear very real to the point where your in a state of fear, they can be commanding, talking about the person. being constant. or a collection of different voices, and im not jus talking about voices that tell u to kill. most of the time the voices are negative.

There is also thought disorder as well...

its not a walk in the park like u give the impression it is. its very hard for the people who care for tha person and watching them go through it.

[stoneinfocus]

I knew you were scetching on the "sane" issue, as I always do it *lol*
Yes, but for a chronic psychotic, this is reality, he doesn´t realize, that it´s not true and surrendered to the delusion as the truth, maybe alltogether with seeing faces in the crowd, that want to harm him or looking at him in a very strange way (rhis is what I had for a day).everything is moving so strangly and scaringly around one.

This is the difference, swim could clearly tell, tha this is not normal and kept cool that day, while this state being more intense on LSD, still it will subside.

thjs is way LSd was called to be a model of psychosis, so a psychiatrist should take and see what his patience are going through, all the time

[seeingred]

Originally Posted by razorwiredildo

many people with schizophrenia are abnormally sensitive to dopamine, so they should stay away from meth and cocaine and the like. psychedelics are a bad idea too.
painkillers and downers are probably not too bad, but any schizophrenic needs to be extra careful.
weed

That seems to make sense, although the current theory is that schizophrenia is a DNA Mutation.

[candy_kid]

^^ the fact that it's a hereditary disease says it's most definitely a genetic problem- keep in mind that every part of what anyone is capable of becoming genetically (a problem or otherwise) is a dna mutation somewhere down the road in history- the mutation that caused the genotype for schizophrenia just happens to be less desirable, but the fact that it's a dna mutation doesn't tell you what the problem is.

While there are many theories, dopamine (too much? too sensitive?) is very likely one of the root causes; now that being said, dopamine influencing drugs are likely not a good idea-- especially considering the fact that medication for schizophrenia works in part because it actually blocks dopamine. Marijuana is also supposed to be very capable of inducing a schizophrenic episode due to it's action on certain parts of the brain so that should be avoided as well. I also noted wikipedia saying nmda and glutamate function is different in schizophrenics, so this might be a link as to why disassociatives are bad (your original inquiry)?

[Hydro9177]

I'd think that schizophrenics should avoid methamphetamine at all costs.
Why make the paranoia worse?