The First Time Questions and Advice Thread

[WEEDSTER]

so if i do them say..... twice a month it shouldnt harm me but if i go crazy and are doing them 10 or more times a month....i could get a little messed up in the head

whats with the smoking..... i watched a group of kids pack a bowl of shrooms mixed with weed, they all then started walking around saying they have never been so high. But i took a few hits and was just feelin the weed. Is it really supposed to increase your high or where they a bunch of idiots that wasted a good half 8th

im suspended from school today so i figured id ask every question that came to mind so heres #3 for the day....

ive taken 2grms before and tripped

then i took about 4 grms and i tripped a lil stronger..... is it the more you eat the more you trip, if you how much can i do without killing myself

[OneDiaDem]

The LD50 would be more than you weigh, lol. Not really, but it would be more than 20 lbs, and I dont know anyone who could eat that much. Nor would you want to. I would keep trippin down to a couple times a month if you plan on trippin often. It just makes the trips better in my opinion.

[WEEDSTER]

LD50?

[OneDiaDem]

LD50=The amount that needs to be taken to die.

What does LD50 mean?

LD stands for "Lethal Dose". LD50 is the amount of a material, given all at once, which causes the death of 50% (one half) of a group of test animals. The LD50 is one way to measure the short-term poisoning potential (acute toxicity) of a material.

Toxicologists can use many kinds of animals but most often testing is done with rats and mice. It is usually expressed as the amount of chemical administered (e.g., milligrams) per 100 grams (or kilogram) of the body weight of the test animal. The LD50 can be found for any route of entry or administration but dermal (applied to the skin) and oral (given by mouth) administration methods are the most common.


What does LC50 mean?

LC stands for "Lethal Concentration". LC values usually refer to the concentration of a chemical in air but in environmental studies it can also mean the concentration of a chemical in water.

For inhalation experiments, the concentration of the chemical in air that kills 50% of the test animals in a given time (usually four hours) is the LC50 value.

From Erowid:

According to Leo Hollister, Jonathon Ott, and John W. Allen, one would have to consume their body weight in fresh mushrooms or eat approximately 19 grams of the pure chemical substance to bring on death. As long as Psilocybin mushrooms are properly identified, poisoning is not a problem.

[WEEDSTER]

wow thank you..... best answer i have ever gotten.....





the questions keep coming......


is it possible to take a 8th of shrooms crush them up into a thick powder then pour it in water and drink it and trip.


this question is just somthing that popped in my head not a rumor

[OneDiaDem]

Yes, and exactly how I dose. I use juice tho, since theyre a little bitter. DO not use pepsi, lol, unless you want a nice thick gagging foam. That was hard to choke down lol!

[WEEDSTER]

Another one......


Is it true that you dont eat for 6 hours before eating shrooms you will have a better trip. Somthing about how they are the only thing in your system

[OneDiaDem]

I dont know about a better high necessarily. The mushrooms do not have to compete with other foods being absorbed. The come on is alot a quicker and cleaner for sure, not to mention you dont want to dose on a full stomach due to nausea.

[WEEDSTER]

so it is better to do them on a empty stomach. last time i did them on a full and for a couple minutes i almost felt sick

[Alfa]

Originally Posted by manda

Nevertheless doingany kind of drug7 times a week can not be healthy.

I ask, hast though forgotten WEED???? WEED is a drug. I don't think daily smokers are insane...

No, you're right. Coffee is a drug which you can take daily and be fairly safe. I don't think smoking weed everyday is healthy, but I do not see much harm in it as well.

I alway trip after a light meal, (or eat something while tripping) so that my body has the energy to do the crazy shit I feel like doing. And though food in my stomache means a bit less effect, I'll just take a higher dose.

[wednesday]

what is the active ingredient in mushrooms?

i can't think of what its called

this leads to my second question

can this substance be pulled out of the mushrooms

ie extracted through powdering the mushrooms and using some sort of solvent...and so on

mushrooms are not really my thing, i would love to try them but i just was wondering about extraction

paul

[Micklemouse]

The main active ingredients are psilocyn and
psilocybin. As for extraction I would imagine so -
have a look in the chemistry and extraction section, or
use the Search Engine(but get yer spelling right - it
won't guess for you!).

Although why bother extracting when everything you need
is there in one handy little package - powdering'll
take away a lot of the taste if you don't like chewing
them (put the powder in gel caps or a rolling paper
'bomb', or you can disguise it in a brew.

[Pinkavvy]

how about try shrooms once, and then go from there. shrooms isn't a fun thing all the time. a trip can literally change your mindset on life.

[WEEDSTER]

?? what do you mean it can change you mindset on life


all it made me do was read all of aldous huxleys books

[asystole]

Ok. Here's my lowdown on shrooms. Active ingredients are psilocybin and psilocin, the latter being oxidised and becoming psilocybin. It is suggested that psilocin is stronger than psilocybin, thus making fresh shrooms more potent. Psilocin oxidises due to exposure to air and heat, becomingpsilocybin.


If you were to take shrooms for 7 days straight, there would be no real damage to your system, although psychological crisis is a larger risk. The psychomimetic (temporary state of mind resembling psychosis) reaction of a bad/too intense trip can easily become psychosis if you leave yourself vulnerable for such a long time. The body will become more and more tolerant as the days go on, and by the end of the week you will most likely not be able to obtain a high.


As for vision damage, mydriasis (dilated pupils for a lengthened time or due to an unnatural source ie. drugs) does not cause any permanent damage, although over a long time the body will adapt to the increase in light entering the eye and if you stop taking mushrooms your pupils will go back to normal and you will have to re-adjust to the light again. There have been studies into the effects of tryptamines (psilocybin and psilocin are 5-HO-DMT IIRC), and some research has shown certain tryptamines can build up in the retina, and when exposed to UV become cloudy, causing a clouding of the retina and of course, decreased vision (CLOUDY VISION). It is unknown if 5-HO-DMT isone of theseUV reactive agents, andeven if it is, you would have to take a rediculous amount to evenconsider worrying about it.


Basically the only risk from mushrooms is psychological. Ifyou've ever taken too many mushrooms, you know how difficult it is to sleep.If you stay lit for several days, you will begetting no sleep, andmixingno sleep witha psychomimetic state willleave you very vulnerable to psychosis. Also, sleep deprivation has been shown to trigger mania and schizophrenia. These risks will be heightened greatly by an alteredand more emotional state of mind.

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Great info on health concerns, great for interested first timers

[WEEDSTER]

Question.... when i trip i usally take an 8th max (3-4 grams) and i am surrounded by moving object, sound disorder, thoughts are just fucked and my mind is running a mile a minute. what i dont get is when i hear stories of people seeing chairs walk out a room or spider man coming off a poster to talk to you... i have actually seen something appear nor anything leave the room or talk. Everything that is around me deff is moving in a wierd morph but ive never had an trip that insane.


Is this because im not eating enough or do trips like that never really happen

[asystole]

Synesthesia and prominent visual hallucinations depend on the person, personally I have never experienced anything as intense as a chair walking out of the room... personally I think it is total BS when people say they see things like that while on mushrooms. SWIM took 4g(had an ounce in their shoulder bag) on halloween, and was sitting in a theatre while peaking and ate another 13 grams mistaking them for chips. The night was very intense, however there were at no point wild visuals or anything of that nature...


Sounds like whoever told you those stories was looking for attention. I HAVE heard of THAT before.

[Psilovibe]

Originally Posted by WEEDSTER

1. they are very bad for your brain

2. you can only do them 3 times a month or else you will start
acting "not your self" almost like they make you stupid or a major
druggy

3. after 7 times in one week you are legaly insane

these are just a few that bring up my main question.... how often
can i do shrooms. The kind that i get are Blue Caps if that matters.

I'll just say what others have already said, because it's true...

1. No. The myth about them making your brain bleed and at levels that
are dangerous ir well... a myth. Don't be surprised if your family
doctor encourages the myth by saying that they do harm ur brain..

2. You should leave about a month or 3 weeks bewteen trips. This allows
your tolerance to go down (which builds up VERY quickly, 1 gram will
bring your tolerance up a lot - i munched 5 grams 3 days after i
munched 1 and I've tripped more off 2 than I did off 5 that time). Not
to mention the fact that the use mushrooms constantly can get very
mentally tiring. Especially for a new user.

3. If you ate them 7 times in one week you would barely be getting
stoned by the last day. You would just be really burnt out and probably
have flash backs for a while I always get flash backs at least, but I don't mind them. Only minor ones anyway.

Originally Posted by geordie

that is also false, although you may have slightly
blurred vision for aning from a couple of hours to a couple of days
afterwards but this is just a side effect and not unusual, it doesnt
happen to everyone anyway.

Not to mention off coloured vision... an acquaintance of mine claims to
have had pink vision out of one eye after eating something like 14
grams of dried mushies. I believe he is also into ecstacy and other
things, which may not help(im no E expert either tho...).

[WEEDSTER]

The Big question.... what is better... acid or shrooms...


i keep getting overed acid and i find myself time and time again saying no (i usually stick to natural drugs i dont know why) should i do them? is the danger and harm to your body the same?


Im also a bitch when it comes to knowing about chemical drugs.... what is the difference between LSD and acid and are they stronger then shrooms? Will they make you see a chair walk out of a room....

[jon123]

i was wondering what the worst case possibilities are for a first time mushroom user. also, what are long termside effects?please post all info here. all help is appreciated


this is not because im scarred to use mushrooms or anything. it is purley for educational purposes, for a project in school.





thanks a bunch

[pacamohu]

The worst case scenario is that you could have a bad trip from being
nervous about something, being in a bad situation/setting, etc.
I think there may be long term affects for people that take them a lot.
You should look on www.erowid.com there is a lot of information there.

[D.U.M.B]

You should be okay.

Here's my tips:
Low Dosage
Good envorinment (make sure your comfortable etc. don't have parents in the house while tripping.)
Make Sure your hundred percent stable mentally before taking

Have fun and if it's get bad at any stage, just remember it's something you ate and whatever is happening will be over. Just be postive and you'll be okay

[serotonin]

worst case scenario:


user is extremely allergic to something in the mushrooms, causing a fatal reaction. chances of that happening are probably about one in a million.


another thing to add to your project. mushrooms are being studied as a treatment for cluster headaches. look it up.

[matti_2003]

People have been using muchrooms for years and i havent heard of any cases where it has done any damage

[jduba]

number 1 would have to be not being prepared and sound in your own head
for the trip. mushrooms will take over your thought process and lead
you down roads that you might not be ready to go down in your thought
process. make sure you are sable in your life and in your self or it
could be a disaster.