The First Time Questions and Advice Thread

[Rhyds]

In all AFOAF's life he has smoked lots of cannabis and dabbled with cocaine, Ecstasy and Ketamine.
AFOAF has always wanted to try mushrooms but have never had the chance.
Now AFOAF has the chance.
AFOAF is working abroad at the moment and when he gets home he has a free house for a month.So what he wants to do is invite all his friends over , chill, relax and have a shroom party ^^
What would you recommend that he tries first as a first time user?
And any tips to help enhance and enjoy the trip.
Thanks in advance ^^

P.S.
He lives in Wales and a freind tell me that some very good shrooms grow in Wales and only in Wales.Is this true?

[ReAlitY-HoLds-NonE]

Wales has a very good climite which Psilocybe Semilanceata do very well in.

As far the party,,, wahhoooo, one of the best psychadelic experiences one can have is in a group where everyone does the same thing, the entire group can apparently be thrown into the same trips, people seem to be able to read each others minds, never understood, but it is an amazing experience, and a definitive good one for a first trip.

SWIM did his first trip on LSD in a group of 7 others and it was amazing (especially fort building- highly, highly recommended no matter what the age)...

Safe environment you already have, dont listen to music that makes SWIT(-ripping) feel good inside, listen to nice, chillaxy music and theres 'a good trip a comin'


All in all, Fort building!... works for good trips, and the bad ones...
long treks are nice aswell if the weathers OK (its the UK!!)... generally anything one would do in real life would become an incredible experience...

hehe its nice to know someone else is about to discover the world of psychadelics

[Metomni]

SWIM agrees that group trips are fantastic, the thing about reading minds really works too, SWIM has noticed that even the visual and auditory hallucinations can become the same for more than one individual in such a situation. If SWIY is experienced with Ketamine SWIM would say just to keep a level head, mushrooms will not make SWIY forget where you are, if SWIY is about to have a bad trip just think about what you're doing and what is happening, SWIM has never EVER had a bad mushroom trip so in that respect SWIY should be in the clear.

Good luck and happy tripping!

[nEone]

Group trips rock - SWIM would suggest having it be a smallish party - no more than 4 or 5 people - and that everyone there be tripping - there's something about being in the same headspace that makes the adventure feel more connected - for SWIM, different substances don't really mix in the headspace - to the tripping head - a drunk person is disgusting, a high person is tolerable.

If SWIY has the ability, create a nice space inside and outside - SWIM likes to experience the peak inside - where things like light and music and other ambient influences can be controlled. After the peak - SWIM likes to go outside. Lay on the grass, look at the trees breathing, that kind of thing.

SWIM has had some negative trips - in a group setting, it's less likely and easier to pull out of - if anyone in the group is starting to flip out - use that as a reason to move environments.

SWIM has found that music with words - even his favorite bands - can get annoying - pick chill, rhythmic music.

Glowsticks are great. Flashlights are not.

Have some water on hand.

Enjoy, don't sweat the details too much...it sounds like SWIYFOAF has enough altered-state experience to have a great time.

[IHrtHalucingens]

SWIM would also suggest a small group of 5 or less. Its a more personal experience where great bonding can occur. And SWIM has been in a 4 person trip group and they all had the same trip and didnt even need to talk to each other or see each other to have the same hallucination.

SWIM prefers to be in nature for the ideal trip. Does SWIY have some land he can explore?

If not, change rooms often in the house, the more stimulous you can get while tripping the better it will be.

Maybe SWIY has a basemant or somewhat large room he can completely black out and spend some time in when he is tripping. Crazy, sensory deprivation is alot of fun while tripping.

SWIM and 3 of his buddies were walking through a pitch black forest path, they couldnt see their hands in front of their faces, they walked by feel of their feet on the beaten path. They could only hear each other in front of them, but as they walked they began seeing low growing branches and began to duck down. The further they went the lower they got until they were crawling. It took them a long while to realize there were no branches.

sorry swim got carried away in memories of great trips.

Most of all just relax and have fun. If you ever start to freak out remember that your on a drug and it is going to end soon.

Happy tripping!

[Rhyds]

Thanks a lot for the input guys.Much appreciated ^^
Swim lives in a small village and is surrounded by green fields and forests =)
I'll be sure to post my first trip experience here after its happened.
Argh!Got a month to wait before i can do it. =(

[Rhyds]

P.S.
Could any pls post some pics of the shrooms that grow in Wales?
Have always been tempted to pick ones i see about the place but, I know enough about shrooms to know that you dont eat something if you're not 100% sure of what it is.

[nEone]

A word of warning - mushrooms can be tricky beasts, particularly in the wild. If SWIY isn't a trained mycologist - SWIY could very easily misidentify.

SWIM would hate for the first experience of any head to be a trip to the emergency room. Not to mention, finding enough of them in the wild for SWIY and several friends to enjoy will likely not be easy.

Psilocybe mushrooms come in MANY shapes - take a look at any of the reputable spore vendors and SWIY will see that the variety is vast. Some are tiny little things, some have caps the size of plates.

Sure, there are indicators, blue bruising, for one - but those indicators are not unique to the Magic varieties and can lead even the best intended SWIY to a sick stomach or worse.

Leave the gathering from nature to the trained mycologists and explore one of the other routes available.

[geezaman]

Ordering fresh shrooms from out of the UK may land SWIY with legal problems, be carefull.
Everyone so far seems to have had group experiences are good, and they can be, but they aren't always, SWIM found himself getting very paranoid on shrooms and this made he experience less enjoyable than it could have been. Also SWIM found he almost by neccesity became quite selfish, as in , needed to be warmer or cooler, or be extreamly uncomfortable, the same with regards to music speed. The problem was that the 4 friends SWIM did them with were not feeling the same, infact all felt different, SWIM would not consider his nature to be selfish, but felt his outlook altered to such that night. SWIM would suggest SWIM only invite enough people as there is room for people to be alone and comfortable, if that makes any sense.
Best of luck to SWIY in their first shrooming
geezaman

[Rhyds]

Ok, I think I'll leave the shroom picking to the experts
Would hate to be reponsible for giving my friends a bad head-fuck experience.
If I were to get a grow kit, how long do they take before you have your first batch ready to go?Gona have to time the order in accordance to when my parents leave on holiday.

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by Rhyds

Ok, I think I'll leave the shroom picking to the experts
Would hate to be reponsible for giving my friends a bad head-fuck experience.
If I were to get a grow kit, how long do they take before you have your first batch ready to go?Gona have to time the order in accordance to when my parents leave on holiday.

2 weeks and SWIY should have his first flush

[ReAlitY-HoLds-NonE]

No need to get a growkit, just make one... all SWIY really needs is a storage box, light (not nessicary), vermiculate, jars, a choice of substrate substances, tape, hmmm thats about it really besides the spore print... enough to hide under your bed

...not that SWIM agree's with that, any drug production is risky when parents are involved, what if one gets caught by parents?... or, beyonD, and far worse... what if one gets caught by someone else? (ie, fuzz)

weigh up the pro's and con's, please... if SWIY is less likely to get caught, then go ahead, its not as risky as marijuana growing

[rocksmokinmachine]

Originally Posted by ReAlitY-HoLds-NonE

No need to get a growkit, just make one... all SWIY really needs is a storage box, light (not nessicary), vermiculate, jars, a choice of substrate substances, tape, hmmm thats about it really besides the spore print... enough to hide under your bed

...not that SWIM agree's with that, any drug production is risky when parents are involved, what if one gets caught by parents?... or, beyonD, and far worse... what if one gets caught by someone else? (ie, fuzz)

weigh up the pro's and con's, please... if SWIY is less likely to get caught, then go ahead, its not as risky as marijuana growing

Why bother going to all the hassle? They cost next to nothing. Seriously. It doesn't take an expert to do it either. It's something anyone can do easily at home in the right conditions.

[ReAlitY-HoLds-NonE]

Originally Posted by rocksmokinmachine

Why bother going to all the hassle? They cost next to nothing. Seriously. It doesn't take an expert to do it either. It's something anyone can do easily at home in the right conditions.

Tehe pro...
granted it is alot to do, but if SWIY has foundamental parents, and they find out the escapades of a certain person who is living under their roof, what do you think would happen?...
or if SWIY gets caught by the fuzz handing a friend a few grams of mushrooms?...
SWIM grows, SWIM enjoys, but SWIM would hate for his parents to find out if you know what he's saying? :S

[geezaman]

May be an idea to reread the rules, If SWIY really needed to ask that.

[Rhyds]

oops.K thanks guys ^^

[trptamene]

Maybe should be noted that source discussion of LEGAL drugs/products is allowed in the sources forum...but this is available to gold members and up.

[chemlove]

Yea sharing sources on an open forum isn't very smart and not allowed here sorry

[BellaG69]

SWIM is planning to try shrooms with about 6 other friends in a hotel room by ourselves in about 2 weeks. One of SWIM's friends has done shrooms 3 times before so he is taking about 4.5 grams. SWIM and his friends are first timers and are thinking about taking 3 - 3.5 grams. Is this a high dose for a first time and will SWIM have a bad trip?

[Shampoo]

Whether or not someone will experience anxiety, or a "bad trip", is as both experiental and laboratory tests show, more than anything, a product of set and setting.(Naditch, Alker, & Joffe, 1975) (Eisner, 1997; Sjoberg & Hollister, 1965) Set and setting, is commonly misperceived as the physical location in which one experiences their journey. However, set and setting have been defined as a more inclusive assay of psychological impact. Social setting is taken into account (friends, comfortable? animosity?), as well as of course personal introspective cognition (unadressed complications, if not dealt with before a psychedelic experience, will commonly be dealt with on it). Physical set seems no problem, as a hotel room provides entertainment, comfort, and a window to the world. There are countless factors amongst these which play a role in both the subjective experience, and the objective interpretation of the experience.
As for a dose: many start a little bit lower, but many start a little bit higher too. McKenna would recommend, for a self-confronting wildly introspective psychedelic blast complete with god-voice and all, a dose more along the lines of above 4, usually higher. A more pleasant and pliable experience however might be more accessible on a little lower than 3 grams. An even lower dose along with a monoamine-oxidase inhibitor would produce an increasingly directable experience, due to the endogenous production of reactive neurotransmitters, as opposed to an implicit ingestion of a specified dose.

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[Strangeness]

In swim's experience, an 1/8th (3.5g) is a pretty "normal" amount. But going down to 2g or so could also be a good choice for someone who has never used a psychedelic before that is wanting a relatively mild experience. Just do whatever you feel comfortable doing.

However, Erowid would put 3.5g of cubensis as a "Strong" experience with 2g as "Common." Now I've never known anyone to consume less than 2g, so your mileage may vary with a "Light" dose as defined by Erowid.

As for bad trips, Shampoo got it. It's on you really. Have a good setting, good people around you, and try to go into the experience with a calm, open mind. Always remember that you're under the influence of a seriously mind-altering substance and if you start to feel scared or overly paranoid, just tell yourself that it's all the shrooms talking. Just go with the flow, and, in truly dire moments, always remember that the experience will end. But I doubt you'll have any moments like that. Magic Mushrooms are very kind.

[sam.47]

well what you want to determine first is that how strong the mushrooms ur getting are.. mushrooms could be different ,different potency,strian so first make sure of that and how long they last , and i wouldnt suggest 6 people doing it a ahotel room you should choose a place with less or no sober people and be able to take walks outside or do different activities while ur tripping

[spores101]

Hotel room by yourself sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen. Try camping out or just hanging in a park or the woods instead. Hallucinating and then being stuck in a small room with people can sometimes freak you out unless you can all concentrate on a movie or video games.

[Rhin]

SWIM has a few questions before he tries mush.

SWIM wants to know.

1. His friend told him if he get's a bad trip it will screw him up for life but if he get's a good one he will be fine. If this is true, what are the chances of getting a bad trip?

2. How many mushrooms would it take to get a 5'11 male 150 pounds trippin enough to have fun.

3. Should SWIM wait until summer to get MUSH or now (SWIM lives in BC were theres snow but can still find mush) would the mush be any good right now?

[TMM]

Originally Posted by Rhin

1. His friend told him if he get's a bad trip it will screw him up for life but if he get's a good one he will be fine. If this is true, what are the chances of getting a bad trip?

It's not quite as simple as good trip or bad trip, nor is it a matter of chance. The quality and character of trip is determined by preparation, setting and how well it is handled mentally.

2. How many mushrooms would it take to get a 5'11 male 150 pounds trippin enough to have fun.

Depends what mushrooms they are.

3. Should SWIM wait until summer to get MUSH or now (SWIM lives in BC were theres snow but can still find mush) would the mush be any good right now?

Unless SWIY knows someone who is experienced at hunting for mushrooms, DO NOT pick them SWIYself. That is potentially very dangerous.

I would recommend doing a lot of reading on the subject, on this site and elsewhere, then returning. Most of the general info you're looking for is on this site for the specific purpose of answering questions like these. I don't mean to sound harsh but you appear dangerously underinformed... not that mushrooms are particularly dangerous.