Drug info - Another newbie thread about Cocaine

[rilex]

Aright, another newbie thread here. I've been reading all kinds of horror stories on the internet, but they are the same horror stories that my 5th grade teacher told me about weed and cigarettes, so I thought I'd ask some people that aren't trying to scare the sh*t out of me...

1) In very small doses, can it really kill you the first time? That's what I've been reading everywhere, but they fail to say how much is too much.

2) In small doses, will one do really crazy shit like when taking LCD? If so would you suggest having a buddy with you the first time to make sure one doesn't freak out?

3) Can one just use a straw to snort?

Aright, those are my three questions. Thanks for any replies in advance.

[candy_kid]

LCD? or LSD? (which really doesn't involve 'that' much crazy shit btw)

anyway, #1 needs to have potency considered- a decently sized line from one batch might do very little while the same line of pure would be extremely intense- its very unlikely however that swiy would do enough of a batch potent enough to kill swiyourself; on erowid I found a link stating that the ld50 of cocaine is 95.1mgs/kg on mice- so assuming people are about the same, and say someone is 60kgs, 5.7 grams of pure has a 50% chance of killing them... now consider that an average (extremely) cut line producing enjoyable effects is 50-100mgs- of course thats not to say that 100mgs of extremely pure coke wouldn't be unenjoyable.. (starting small is usually a good idea, reactions are quick and swiy can always add more)

#2 seems to depend on the person- I know people who have attacked their friends because they feel so powerful and others who just smile and talk alot. From swim's experience, if swiy has fairly good self control I wouldn't imagine too much problem not going crazy-- it seems btw that most of the crazy involved with cocaine (from what swim has seen and read of) involves interactions between people, and not so much the eating one's own underpants variety.

#3 one could use anything to snort so long as its not covered in someone's hepatitis infected blood and manages to get the drug into the nose

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good advice

[Swimster]

ok,...,

Reading from antidrug sites is your first problem, they WILL NOT tell you the whole truth.

For example, theose anti-drugs jelliousy jerks will not tell you that takeing ecstacy could kill you the first time IF IT IS DIRTY (cut, impure with adulturants)

...and we all know that it is the flawed laws fault that we even have cut drugs going around.

The problem these days is they wont tell you everything!
-Education

it is best to know ALOT about what one wants to use.

-you have heard using a certain substance could kill you the first time; have you heard the one about people using it for several years! now, swim will not say that cocaine has not caused hart-attacks, but this is because those people were uneducated about there health, or substance, or they were possibly strong addicts. The government preaches about how destructive addiction WILL be. But they make it look like everyone will become addicted! which is FALSE. Now, if you are educated you shouldn't become addicted. simply put. Although the Gov will try their best to educate you about legal drugs!(hmm... sounds like a flaw in the law to me)


if a substance is pure it shouldn't kill swiy, otherwise it wouldn't be popular, it would be poison, LOL.

Also, hallucinogens aren't anything like you think, in particular, psychedelics are for spiratual and other uses. If one makes a mistake and thinks for a second that something like LSD is just a -"cool game, or recreation substance" then one is makeing a big mistake. LSD won't make one crazy either.

...and for information on snorting, simply read around on this site.

in conlusion: Use drugs-forum for REAL information, not DEA sites or antidrugs ignorant sites.

peace.

[Swimster]

MOD: request thread merge @ http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39338

[rxbandit]

welcome rilex,

There are many hidden agendas and biases to the organazations spreading drug prophaganda. If you want a better view of their motives take a look at the history of drug illegalization, it becomes apparent how much misinformation is spread from the simple historical facts.

Also, for future posting. use a more accurate thread title. If you express exactly what information you are looking for you will get more responses and others with similiar questions will be able to find this information without clutering the site.

[Nagognog2]

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...hp?t=39336From the rules:

• Use descriptive Topic Subject. This will help others find what they want to read. Topics with bad Topic subjects may be deleted! - there's nothing more annoying than looking at all those stupid "A stupid question" subject lines. I mean, I'm damn lazy, but how hard is it to type "A stupid question about (insert something here)"? As a rule of thumb, most thread titles should include the full name of the drug discussed.

A rule many tend to forget will cause a mass of warnings soon...Rules are here:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/ann...t.php?f=43&a=1

[imyourlittlebare]

A gram of pure cocaine will kill a cocaine nieve person. persons with a history of bad eating habits, high cholesterol, on any sort of add adhd medicines are at risk, people with a history of heart problems are at risk. Also if you are an anxious person, have anxiety disorder, have a family history of psychosis, schizophrenia, generalized panic disorder, add, adhd, depression or bipolar disorder should AVOID this drug. Thats pretty much the jist of it. If i missed anything someone please add. PS. dont forget the rating system lol! for the help

[candy_kid]

^^ people with add and adhd would likely just go less crazy on cocaine- why would they need to avoid it? their treatment does basically the same thing

[imyourlittlebare]

yes. which is why I have read stats on why people become addicted to cocaine. It seems that alot of people using it become addicted because they already had a chemical imbalance and had a need for it. So if you try it and it fulfills that need your more likely to self medicate. My hypothesis is that is why swim didnt become addicted himself when he did it multiple times and had no problem when his dealer died. However, my hypothesis is those people are much more likely to become addicted. Just like anxious people abuse alcohol and benzos. Depressed people are sometimes more likely to abuse opiates. Theres like certain drugs you can pair with conditions. Do you know what I mean? I believe there was a stat i read and i can look for it tomorrow.

[rxbandit]

Well if someone took two CNS stimulants there is a good risk of negative cardiac conditions occouring. Cocaine and amphetamine salts also hit different receptors. Swim once tried taking the SAT tests on cocaine and then on adderal. The difference between these to medications became quite clear when he received his test results.

I also don't really think the ADD and ADHD conditions are empirically proven disorders but I'll save that for another thread...

[Benga]

this new newbie thread was unecessary.
this kind of questions are already in the forum, and now easily acessible, if not by the FSE, by using the forum prefix browsing at the bottom left of the page.

for general and newbie questions choose prefix "general use"
for questions on cocaine effects choose prefix "effect"
for questions on addiction choose prefix "addiction"
comedown : "comedown", OD : "overdose" etc etc etc

the entire forum is prefixed, so you should't miss a thread. choosing a prefix slims down answers to 2 pages of threads or less, from the 26 available. totaly manageable.
the list of prefixes used and their definitions is given in cocaine forum announcement.

Please check, and check again for an existing thread on your subject. if there is, post in this one. Don't create new threads for questions already covered in the past 5 years.

[rilex]

SWIM was diagnosed with schizophrenia and is currently on an anti-psychotic. Maybe this isn't the drug for SWIM, but SWIM really wants to try it and see. Not too much, but enough to check it out.

[imyourlittlebare]

noooo do not try and see. Antipsychotic medicines are dopamine antagonists. Dopamine agonist action from cocaine will be stopped up to a point and if enough is done a severe psychotic episode will follow. This is mental suicide. This is highly highly with the most severity in my typing dangerous.

[rxbandit]

certain antipyschotic meds will make alot of pyschoactive drugs not work or not nearly as much as they would. It is not a good idea to experiment much with a sensitive diagnosis such as schizophrenia, but if swiy insists check for counterindications in regards to swiys meds.

[rilex]

Is the problem swim's meds or the illness? If it's the meds, going off them for a week won't hurt to try coke out. If it's the illness, than maybe swim should foget about it all together. especially because it's the paranoid variety, and i'm sure blow wouldn't be good for that it all. Now swim is sad that he may not ever experience coke

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dangerous information. Just a warning im sure you dont want to risk someone harm by giving bad info

[Swimster]

Wo, swiy shouldn't go off his meds at all just to try coke!

...also, as said above, swiys medication is to Inhibit dopamine to an extent.

if you dont understand - Cocaine's MAIN action works on the Dopamine system, i believe the use of cocaine without swiys med's will strictly make swiy crazy! and with the meds, well, the meds will literally hold the cocaine experience back, no doubt.

-please dont play around with swiys anti-psy meds.

[imyourlittlebare]

Originally Posted by rilex

Is the problem swim's meds or the illness? If it's the meds, going off them for a week won't hurt to try coke out. If it's the illness, than maybe swim should foget about it all together. especially because it's the paranoid variety, and i'm sure blow wouldn't be good for that it all. Now swim is sad that he may not ever experience coke

i dont mean to be a dick but that is absolutely terrible advice to give someone who is on those meds. stoping them would be bad enough considering they already have an imbalance with dopamine and would see themselves slipping again on a slippery slop of paranoa. second, the cocaine is not worth it. doing it for people without these problems may be pleasurable but for someone on those meds it just puts them into pure insanity with the dopamine release.

[Swimster]

i dont mean to be a dick but that is absolutely terrible advice to give someone who is on those meds. stoping them would be bad enough considering they already have an imbalance with dopamine and would see themselves slipping again on a slippery slop of paranoa. second, the cocaine is not worth it. doing it for people without these problems may be pleasurable but for someone on those meds it just puts them into pure insanity with the dopamine release.

is this in reply to swim??

if so, please pay more attention to my post.

if not, my mistake.

[Benga]

could we please cool it down a bit ? This topic is a delicate one, but let's try to stay constructive here.

thank you

b

[imyourlittlebare]

Originally Posted by Swimster

is this in reply to swim??

if so, please pay more attention to my post.

if not, my mistake.

no i quoted the guy. it was the guy above you. you gave constructive advice. that other guy suggested stopping meds for a week to try coke.

[Swimster]

Just curious, my mistake, sorry.

Anyway....