Health - Kratom and pain management

[enquirewithin]

My dilema and then there was Kratom

(a personal view from a blog)

I have been suffering from a hernia in my lower abdomen for about a year now.I have been working on getting health insurance to for an operation, but it has not been easy, as I have been a contractor for a couple of years, and work has not always been so steady. I have always had friends that use prescription pain relief, recreationally, so I have always had access to it. I don’t usually do these types of things, but sometime the pain is too unbearable. So I started trying, Perc’s, Oxi’s, Hydro’s and eventually got hooked. Now my system at fist, did not like it. I got sick of it easily and would throw it up, and took a while to build a tolerance. I don’t need to tell you when you over do it on this stuff, it makes you feel worse, and the hang overs are horrible. About a few months ago, I had a friend that just went through WD recovery, he did it with Kratom.


Kratom is a Thai plant that has been used over seas for years. It has the same effects, but with out any man made additives. It is completely organic, natural, and did not give me that sick feeling I get with the other stuff, and I do not wake up groggy or hung over from using it. Better yet when waking up the next day, there was still NO pain. I did not instantly wake up to grab another “fix”. I admit that I am a light weight when it comes to pain relievers. The first time I tried Kratom I over did it a little, it hit me with a heavy feeling of euphoria, which lasted a several hours, and I could never attain from the other stuff. Now I said I over did it, and I did, I threw up what I had left in me an hour later, but it came out clean, meaning it was not harsh coming out, unlike the other stuff. I was still feeling its effect, still no pain and was able to fall asleep right after, with out feeling horrible. When I woke up, no hang over, nor any grogginess, I was still not in pain and did not need to take any more for the better part of the day.


I believe this plant has many great uses. I belong to several forums that speak openly about this plant and their experiences with Kratom. I no longer spend the ridiculous amount of money I did, nor do I use it on a daily basis. Kratom has helped me manage my pain with out paying a hefty price, both physically and financially. I do not endorse nor approve the miss use or abuse of ANY product or thing. I believe all good things in moderation, after all, drinking too much water WILL kill you. That being said, if you have an addictive personality, then you should stay away from this or anything that you can not do in moderation, or fall privy to, and can cause a destructive pattern in your life.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim is curious if kratom does indeed have the painkilling abillities of opiates or if this has been exaggerated.Swim has not really bothered to try any yet but probably will in the near future.

[allyourbase]

I would emphasize and then re-emphasize, no part of kratom or its chemical layout are morphinans. this is a simple herb with very strong pain controlling capabilities. its use; recreationallly speaking is all but defunct. in that it costs more than black market morphinans. it may stimulate certain opiod receptors, but so does cheese, this is not a "drug" it is an herb, useful for the containment and control of pain. that is all.

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bad info. should not intentionally mislead people without knowing facts.

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by allyourbase

...recreationallly speaking is all but defunct. in that it costs more than black market morphinans. it may stimulate certain opiod receptors, but so does cheese, this is not a "drug" it is an herb, useful for the containment and control of pain. that is all.

I wonder why there are so many web sites selling kratom if it has no recreational value?

Opium poppies are also plants, but they contain morphine, codeine and other psychoactive alkaloids. Where is the distinction?

[imyourlittlebare]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

I wonder why there are so many web sites selling kratom if it has no recreational value?

Opium poppies are also plants, but they contain morphine, codeine and other psychoactive alkaloids. Where is the distinction?

I dont understand what you mean by distinction but i would like to further point out that that guy was wrong. kratom is a unique plant because it stimulates opiate receptors without having anything to do with opium. opium has those active alkaloids you mention and kratom has different ones with different structures and qualities. im not sure if this helps but if you elaborate id be more than happy to help. my research focus is ethnobotanical herbs esp kava and kratom.

[imyourlittlebare]

Originally Posted by allyourbase

I would emphasize and then re-emphasize, no part of kratom or its chemical layout are morphinans. this is a simple herb with very strong pain controlling capabilities. its use; recreationallly speaking is all but defunct. in that it costs more than black market morphinans. it may stimulate certain opiod receptors, but so does cheese, this is not a "drug" it is an herb, useful for the containment and control of pain. that is all.

1st off you made up words 2nd off i have posted multiple research articles on the effectiveness of kratom in painkilling. the best combonation is a kratom and kava mixture. kratom is a morphine receptor agonist which means it kills pain via the opiate pathway which is effective. so it is a drug. not a placebo effect that the guy above implied. it is a strong painkiller. I have an article i will post to support my next claim. Kava kava is a cox inhibitor which means it stops a pain signal from being sent to your brain the same way motrin does only it also has anti anxiety properties which enhance kratom, and have muscle relaxing properties which also help. according to an article i read kava causes 0.3 cases of liver problems per million people. valium causes 2.14 liver problems per million and 3-5% of people taking aspiron or tylenol have liver problems with most of them being fatal. in short these two drugs are nothing short of miraculous for those in need of effective pain management without the hassle of doctors.

[enquirewithin]

I was questioning SWIAllyourbases post. Yes, I did mean that both kratom and opium poppies contain psychoactive alkaloids, different ones, of course! Both are plants and can be considered as drugs, or as containing them. (I've never heard of the word 'morphinan' either!)

Kratom's use a pain killer is interesting, but it also, in many people's experience, has considerable recreational potential. There are so may threads about this it's hardly worth mentioning, so it can't be "recreationally all but defunct." The effects are very different to those of opiates, despite superficial similarities.

[imyourlittlebare]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

I was questioning SWIAllyourbases post. Yes, I did mean that both kratom and opium poppies contain psychoactive alkaloids, different ones, of course! Both are plants and can be considered as drugs, or as containing them. (I've never heard of the word 'morphinan' either!)

Kratom's use a pain killer is interesting, but it also, in many people's experience, had considerable recreational potential. There are so may threads about this it's hardly worth mentioning, so it can't be "recreationally all but defunct." The effects are very different to those of opiates, despite superficial similarities.

you can use it recreationally. less seems to be better. just normal ounce of leaves. two spoon fulls. with some kava. it gives a morphine addict swim the giggles a bit. its mostly from being excited that it stops wd but swim bought alot because it has a certain allure of it. swim says you wont spend more than 40 on an ounce of normal green vein crushed. youll be happy. the effects are a bit different. swim still feels.....a glow.

[enquirewithin]

For SWIM, kratom is more useful as a stimulant than anything else-- he's not in much pain, nor does he use opiates (not for many years anyway). It's not truly a stimulant, but it works like one. It makes many activities, from hiking to visiting an art gallery fun. There is no need for too much. An ounce is a lot! SWIM rarely takes more than 5-6 g at a time.

OK, so how much kava goes with SWIY's ounce of kratom?

[imyourlittlebare]

Originally Posted by enquirewithin

For SWIM, kratom is more useful as a stimulant than anything else-- he's not in much pain, nor does he use opiates (not for many years anyway). It's not truly a stimulant, but it works like one. It makes many activities, from hiking to visiting an art gallery fun. There is no need for too much. An ounce is a lot! SWIM rarely takes more than 5-6 g at a time.

OK, so how much kava goes with SWIY's ounce of kratom?

other people take alot. swim likes to keep his kratom and kava limited. His recipe is as follows

two spoonfulls green vein crushed kratom
one spoonfull red veined crushed for energy
and a spoonfull to two spoonfulls of ground kava root.

swim steeps in hot water. only filling up half. then after a while adds juice for flavor. swim drinks all plant material. so make sure its tall glass. then sit back and relax. For some reason even though swim is addicted to morphine, swim needs about that amount of kava and kratom to mellow out

[EarnestAccord]

SWIM has Crohn's desease and IBS. Constant intense intestinal pain. SWIM's pain is a very deep disturbance. Kratom works the same wonders as Pharms without the hangover and rollacoaster of needing the next dose.

[AceOvArts]

Kratom does have pain killing abilities. This is confirmed by SWIMs bad back